List of vendors Age Verification requirements.

[celticluvr]

My problem with all this is (besides ssn) is what if you don't own a cell phone? I don't because its not practical where I live (no service).

 

[Nailz]

This thread is very helpful, I don't mind jumping through some loops, but draw the line at giving out SSN, and what would annoy me, is vendors who are not upfront, don't wait till the order is placed and money taken and then say 'oh we need your SSN and dna' to complete your order.

Sure going to be tough times ahead

 

[tmcase]

Yes, it took me a while to find it myself......brb with the link


Crap, I did misspell the website....its ecig .com Its been one of those days......
eta:

This is a blog for developers that use this service.
Extension Verification Service (EVS)

The program where a vendor can verify.(if registered as a company with them)
EVS (Extension Verification Service)

And this one is the actual software company.

.NET CMS - Content Management Software | DNN
They have lots of programs to integrate within the .net web servers on vendors sites. If you are a programmer, you will understand this. If not, it can seem kinda ...wth....

Yep, ecig.com was one that I experienced that wants you to send them a photo copy of your driver's license and didn't mention that fact until after I hit the "Pay for this purchase". They took my money while waiting for me to send my driver's license. I had to call them and cancel the order.

Thanks for the valuable links.

 

[tmcase]

My problem with all this is (besides ssn) is what if you don't own a cell phone? I don't because its not practical where I live (no service).

Hey celti, long time no see. Sorry about no cell service. I live in the country too but at least I get 1 bar of service.

 

[YoursTruli]

This is a very different world we live in now unlike the days of having your SS# on your drivers license and paper checks, it's great to have compassion for the vendors but it should not have to be at the risk of your own (financial) well being.

I think anyone that has or knows someone personally that had their identity stolen looks at things like this a lot differently and will act accordingly to protect themselves as much as possible. It's not like just having your CC/Debit card info compromised where you just have an inconvenience of having to wait to get your card replaced, maybe a hold on your account for a few in some cases, but you are out no funds... with identity theft people lose funds, some their life savings, their credit is destroyed, some lose their homes, their retirement.... besides the theft of funds you will never see again you can face debt from purchases you did not make and the legal fees over the years it can take to straighten things out... if ever.
The Privacy Act of 1974 addressed these all of these issues (we now unbelievably face with online shopping) at a governmental level, including disclosure of your SS#
Overview of The Privacy Act of 1974 (2015 Edition) | OPCL | Department of Justice

 

[Nailz]

I've used 2 vendors since the 8th, and both I had not used before, volcanoecigs ordered on the 10th and was just normal sign up and checkout, swagg sauce ordered on Saturday, and again, no loops to jump through.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Yep, ecig.com was one that I experienced that wants you to send them a photo copy of your driver's license and didn't mention that fact until after I hit the "Pay for this purchase". They took my money while waiting for me to send my driver's license. I had to call them and cancel the order.

Thanks for the valuable links.

Well, that really bites. I don't blame you for being ticked off. I would be too if they waited until after a sale.
btw....back in June, I think, vaporbeast did the same thing to me. Only I had to be the one who contacted them because my order was just sitting there being processed for almost a week, so I emailed to ask if there was a problem. That is when they told me that the state of CA wanted a scanned copy of my dl and only to be sent via .pdf with a note saying it was me and had that days date on it saying I authorized the sale. I too canceled the order. Have not ordered from them again and don't plan to. Terrible cs.

 

[tmcase]

This is a very different world we live in now unlike the days of having your SS# on your drivers license and paper checks, it's great to have compassion for the vendors but it should not have to be at the risk of your own (financial) well being.

I think anyone that has or knows someone personally that had their identity stolen looks at things like this a lot differently and will act accordingly to protect themselves as much as possible. It's not like just having your CC/Debit card info compromised where you just have an inconvenience of having to wait to get your card replaced, maybe a hold on your account for a few in some cases, but you are out no funds... with identity theft people lose funds, some their life savings, their credit is destroyed, some lose their homes, their retirement.... besides the theft of funds you will never see again you can face debt from purchases you did not make and the legal fees over the years it can take to straighten things out... if ever.
The Privacy Act of 1974 addressed these all of these issues (we now unbelievably face with online shopping) at a governmental level, including disclosure of your SS#
Overview of The Privacy Act of 1974 (2015 Edition) | OPCL | Department of Justice

Very well said.

 

[tmcase]

I've used 2 vendors since the 8th, and both I had not used before, volcanoecigs ordered on the 10th and was just normal sign up and checkout, swagg sauce ordered on Saturday, and again, no loops to jump through.

Thanks @Nailz.

 

[Koolkiz]

ITCvapes-bluecheck

Blue Check Age Verification

 

[ENAUD]

Absolutely, TM - I know that wasn't the intention, and I'm totally supportive of collecting & sharing information.

I just hope that things remain much more objective than subjective in the longest of runs. My post was not an assault at you (you know I'd never), and instead just an attempt to keep people thinking about the biggest picture, before too many judgments and/or opinions are expressed.

And sorry about that, @Robino1 - I know I pushed that one out of anger. Thanks for covering my rear.

I'm looking at it in a slightly different light DP. As time has gone on in the vape world, certain concerns have been raised along the way, things that got a lot of folks attention, and created varying levels if dissension. This age verification is just another concern in the progression of things as they change. By discussing it, maybe some good will arise and the vendors will see our concerns and address them with maybe more options, or better systems with less intrusive registration requirements and better privacy concerns regarding personal information and how it will be shared and disseminated having a greater importance.

 

[tmcase]

I'm looking at it in a slightly different light DP. As time has gone on in the vape world, certain concerns have been raised along the way, things that got a lot of folks attention, and created varying levels if dissension. This age verification is just another concern in the progression of things as they change. By discussing it, maybe some good will arise and the vendors will see our concerns and address them with maybe more options, or better systems with less intrusive registration requirements and better privacy concerns regarding personal information and how it will be shared and disseminated having a greater importance.

Very well said. I wish I could express myself that good.

 

[BrentMydland]

ITCvapes-bluecheck

Blue Check Age Verification

I hate to see that. They have some of my favorite juice but will not be getting my business until they stop using blue check.

They(blue check) did a Q and A a while back on reddit and I did not like what I read at all and will never use a company that has Bluecheck.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Yep, ecig.com was one that I experienced that wants you to send them a photo copy of your driver's license and didn't mention that fact until after I hit the "Pay for this purchase". They took my money while waiting for me to send my driver's license. I had to call them and cancel the order.

Thanks for the valuable links.

Those vendors who do not disclose their age verification process before making an order should be blacklisted.

 

[balance]

Well, that really bites. I don't blame you for being ticked off. I would be too if they waited until after a sale.
btw....back in June, I think, vaporbeast did the same thing to me. Only I had to be the one who contacted them because my order was just sitting there being processed for almost a week, so I emailed to ask if there was a problem. That is when they told me that the state of CA wanted a scanned copy of my dl and only to be sent via .pdf with a note saying it was me and had that days date on it saying I authorized the sale. I too canceled the order. Have not ordered from them again and don't plan to. Terrible cs.

Wow. My experience in early July was similar, and yet so much more positive. Vaporbeast sent me an email saying I needed to send verification because I'd not used my complete name (yes, during my order, I got tired of typing and used my first initial, rather than my full name.) I called them and the lovely folks on the end of the line were very, very conciliatory about requiring additional info.

I was able to cover my Drivers License number and my face on the "scanned copy". I took a picture of my license that showed my birthdate and my address (which is the shipping address for my order) and emailed it to them. I covered my DL number and my face. (So far, to my knowledge, there are no photos of me on the Internet that are identified as me.) I just checked, and sadly, I neglected to hide my Birthdate and height at that time (hey-there's a lot of cutting of post-its involved in hiding the two pictures and a DL Number included on a PA license! And it's hard to get those suckers to stay on top of the stuff you want to hide. Every move I made seemed to disturb them!)

According to the lovely gal on the line, they weren't going to save anything, though frankly, they'd be foolish not to save my birthdate. I will note that the nice woman on the line indicated that I wouldn't have to go through this again. But I was told I needed to do this because my name on the shipment didn't match my account or my credit card, which was true. So yeah, it's totally possible that this had nothing to do with age verification.

At that point, age verification wasn't necessary, so it's possible I might have to do this again, but -- I'm hoping that I've been verified without giving a DL number or my SSN. At the moment, Vaporbeast will be my first "go-to" site, since it's possible I'll get by without providing any additional information. Fortunately, I stocked up a bit (not like some), so I should be good for a year or so. Hopefully, life will be different next August.

I'm truly grateful to Discount Vapers for all of their help in the past; they really are stand-up guys there, and I've had more midnight email exchanges with them than I can count, but I'm still hesitant about any site using Bluecheck right now. It's not the vaping site that concerns me, but the Bluecheck folks.

 

[bnrkwest]

Great thread and all I can say is, so glad I stocked up pre 8-8-16, I wanted to avoid the hassles.

 

[plumeguy]

I see no reason to list on this thread companies
without intrusive verification procedures.

 

[coldgin96]

I’m very concerned about where this is going. We’ve all been buying things for years, with full knowledge (I’d hope) about the associated exposure. Right now there are vendors who are struggling like crazy to stay in business, many with the full knowledge that it won’t even be possible once the end of this year rolls around.

So here were are creating what amounts to a Black List, containing names of people we’ve come to know, come to trust, and in many cases, come to truly care about. With little or no effort we might swipe away any possibility they have of hanging in here, with us mind you, until the final curtain falls.

Most of us are already angry, already sad, and already very confused. What purpose are we serving if we condemn a vendor, be them friends or acquaintances, here in this venue? Can’t we just do our homework, make our decisions, and wish everyone (vendors AND vapers) the very best for now and future?

I don’t know about any of you, but our (XXX) legislators have already done more damage to these people (and us, yes!) than I care to obsess over. I don’t want to hurt them anymore than they already are, and if I decide to not buy from someone, for WHATEVER reason, I’d prefer to just keep that to myself.

I get what we were trying to do here, but I implore everyone to have some compassion for the vendors, some of whom have become true friends, and are in reality simply vapers - just like us.

THEIR worlds will turn upside down in 2017. Many will lose what they have put their lives into creating, and may have to go back to jobs they never thought they’d EVER need to return to. This whole thing is truly heartbreaking to me, and I hate to see it be made worse for anyone, even IF the intentions were & are good.

Last summer someone used one of my credit card numbers to make quite a few online purchases. Just last week, I was a victim of identity theft to the point I filed a police report and put a freeze on my credit.

It will be a cold day in Hell before I send a online vendor my social security number or a copy of my driver's license.

There are online ECIG vendors who do not require either and those are the vendors who will continue to get my business.

Sorry, that's just the way it is. YMMV...

 

[coldgin96]

Yep, ecig.com was one that I experienced that wants you to send them a photo copy of your driver's license and didn't mention that fact until after I hit the "Pay for this purchase". They took my money while waiting for me to send my driver's license. I had to call them and cancel the order.

Thanks for the valuable links.

Thanks for the info. I used to do business with them, until now.

 

[coldgin96]

I see no reason to list on this thread companies
without intrusive verification procedures.

Why not? It would some a lot of hassle because one would know right off the bat who to do business with.