List of vendors Age Verification requirements.

[Haktuspit]

I see no reason to list on this thread companies
without intrusive verification procedures.

For the people looking for a vendor without intrusive verification procedures coming to this thread. It wasn't until this thread that I learned that MVS is using signature on delivery. With my 3 mismatched addresses and the fact that MVS was one of my first and favorite to this day suppliers, that was exactly the kind of knowledge I wanted from this thread.

 

[dperino]

I’m very concerned about where this is going. We’ve all been buying things for years, with full knowledge (I’d hope) about the associated exposure. Right now there are vendors who are struggling like crazy to stay in business, many with the full knowledge that it won’t even be possible once the end of this year rolls around.

So here were are creating what amounts to a Black List, containing names of people we’ve come to know, come to trust, and in many cases, come to truly care about. With little or no effort we might swipe away any possibility they have of hanging in here, with us mind you, until the final curtain falls.

Most of us are already angry, already sad, and already very confused. What purpose are we serving if we condemn a vendor, be them friends or acquaintances, here in this venue? Can’t we just do our homework, make our decisions, and wish everyone (vendors AND vapers) the very best for now and future?

I don’t know about any of you, but our (XXX) legislators have already done more damage to these people (and us, yes!) than I care to obsess over. I don’t want to hurt them anymore than they already are, and if I decide to not buy from someone, for WHATEVER reason, I’d prefer to just keep that to myself.

I get what we were trying to do here, but I implore everyone to have some compassion for the vendors, some of whom have become true friends, and are in reality simply vapers - just like us.

THEIR worlds will turn upside down in 2017. Many will lose what they have put their lives into creating, and may have to go back to jobs they never thought they’d EVER need to return to. This whole thing is truly heartbreaking to me, and I hate to see it be made worse for anyone, even IF the intentions were & are good.

i agree with your sentiment but (respectfully) disagree with the premise. the result of choosing to continue doing business with vendors who use blue check or other age verification programs is compliance with fda regs we all disagree with. in a sense, this is tacit approval of something that has become a pain to vapers in a very short period of time. i agree that vendors may feel the burden of age verification, that is except for oasis vape, but in lieu of the fact that all involved in vaping may feel the threat of having a harm reduction device taken away for bogus reasons, then where is our say as consumers and adult citizens in all of this? it isn't punishment to choose who to spend our hard earned doe with, but it is in part a reaction to having our own choices ripped out from underneath us. blue check absolutely has vapers going through their hoops, and veritad may do the same (i don't know), but the notion of having to submit personal and private information in this area is obviously unacceptable to the end user.

no doubt we all get to decide for ourselves how it is that we will do business with vendors under these circumstances. i personally enjoyed doing business with discount vapers but will no longer because of blue check. from what i was told by the owner when informing him of my decision, he based his decision of using that abhorrent company because it was now the industry standard. given it was only a matter of days after the 8th this was news to me, but it demonstrates how arbitrary this whole mess has become. the owner had a choice, he could have gone with veritad or some other like-service but from my perspective as a consumer and vaper he chose wrong. my allegiance isn't so much to individuals or individual entities within the vaping industry, it's simply with vaping. if i went along with the program then what am i personally accomplishing as someone who is vested in vaping as the primary means to avoid and ultimately quit smoking? conducting business with suppliers who do business with companies i totally disagree with is a way to allow those companies to become entrenched. there is absolutely no value for me as a vaper and consumer to submit to company like blue check, a thing that crawled out from underneath a rock in order to exploit this situation.

sorry for the screed.

 

[plumeguy]

Why not? It would some a lot of hassle because one would know right off the bat who to do business with.

Listing vendors who are possibly not in compliance with FDA age verification
regulations in a public forum well known to the FDA. What could go wrong?

 

[coldgin96]

Listing vendors who are possibly not in compliance with FDA age verification
regulations in a public forum well known to the FDA. What could go wrong?

Good point.

Just remember, they don't need a copy of driver's license or SS# to be in compliance.

 

[plumeguy]

Good point.

Just remember, they don't need a copy of driver's license or SS# to be in compliance.

True. Which is why I have no objection to listing vendors with excessive/intrusive
verification procedures.

 

[Bea-FL]

This is a very different world we live in now unlike the days of having your SS# on your drivers license and paper checks, it's great to have compassion for the vendors but it should not have to be at the risk of your own (financial) well being.

I think anyone that has or knows someone personally that had their identity stolen looks at things like this a lot differently and will act accordingly to protect themselves as much as possible. It's not like just having your CC/Debit card info compromised where you just have an inconvenience of having to wait to get your card replaced, maybe a hold on your account for a few in some cases, but you are out no funds... with identity theft people lose funds, some their life savings, their credit is destroyed, some lose their homes, their retirement.... besides the theft of funds you will never see again you can face debt from purchases you did not make and the legal fees over the years it can take to straighten things out... if ever.
The Privacy Act of 1974 addressed these all of these issues (we now unbelievably face with online shopping) at a governmental level, including disclosure of your SS#
Overview of The Privacy Act of 1974 (2015 Edition) | OPCL | Department of Justice

@tmcase and @DPLongo22 make very valid points but I totally agree with you. Before anyone goes feeling sorry for any vendors who are asking for personal info that puts them at risk of identity theft consider this. Vendors have been aware all this was coming. They should also be aware that many many people will not give out certain info about themselves. They should have been concerned enough about their customers' safety to announce, on their website, what software they were thinking of using and ask for comments. This would have given them plenty of time to make alternative plans if responses were mostly negative thus not risk losing customers. Identity theft is a very real threat that can turn your life upside down.

 

[Eskie]

Just so I understand the issue as it stands now is that folks are concerned about Blue Check because they and for the last 4 numbers of your SS#, or a selfie if the other info about doesn't work? And that concern is based on either concern that Blue Check will then store that data which can then be taken by hackers for nefarious reasons, or sold to other companies for marketing or other use?

If that's the issue, does anyone have a link about security problems with Blue Check, or their privacy policy statement which allows them to use your info for anything other than age verification, including selling it to other companies for marketing or whatever? I am familiar with other age verification services and their records and policies, but not Blue Check.

 

[DPLongo22]

I am totally sensitive to the concerns for identity theft, data privacy, and everything else validly stated as concerns here. It is precisely why I chose the path I did, beginning in April of 2014. I had the good fortune of being able to purchase two mods on the morning of the 8th, because ecig.com had not yet initiated their validation processes.

Point being, I have no plans to buy anything (under the new systems). Sadly, I admit that.

I fully expected that this would be a spitshow, wrought with confusion and questionable decisions (by many vendors). Many of them have little or no business background, so it was inevitable there would be missteps. Personally, I wanted no part of that, and prepared my situation accordingly.

That said, I'd totally encourage communication with vendors, with any and all concerns. I just did not want to see this community, one that I viewed as uniquely different, turn in on itself; especially not with just a mere eight days of education & experience.

It could have been any of us on the other end of this. There are probably but a handful of vapers who didn't entertain the idea of going into this business withing days (minutes) of beginning to vape.

Along this great & wonderful journey we received help - often from the vendors in this thread. Sometimes in the form of their time, sometimes in the form of their products. But help us they did. Over and over again.

I don't have any answers, and I don't expect that anyone can say with 100% confidence that they do either. But to lambaste someone for their decisions at this moment is simply not something I wish to do. This situation is bad enough, and I thought we'd pull together and work through it - as best we could.

I apologize for the intrusion.

 

[bnrkwest]

Vendors and vapers are between a rock and hard place all because of FDA. Here is what I wish, vendors offer several options for age verification, one of them being adult signature confirmation with USPS. That way anyone can make a choice as a customer of their proof of age.

 

[retired1]

This is something that isn't going to be tossed around lightly and if I were in the biz, I wouldn't be asking my customers what they thought of x, y or z as far as an identity check routine. Most customers suffer from massive PEBKAC issues (look it up).

Most vape shops don't have a full time IT staff. They rely on the hosting company, or hire someone to do initial development. Having a full time IT staff is expensive. And if you're a small mom and pop shop, you aren't going to be spending that kind of dough keeping someone around who's sole purpose is to maintain their website. A lot of these small businesses rely on the recommendations of their hosting company and won't know Adam from one age verification company from another.

As such, let's quit ragging on companies that are using something you don't agree with. These guys are doing the best they can with the limited resources they bring in to meet the FDA requirements. Be thankful they're trying to comply. Most could just throw their hands up in frustration and just close shop. And seeing some of the comments in this thread, some may be closer to doing just that. Then where would you all be?

 

[JoAnnW]

I guess I won't be ordering from any vendor that uses Blue-Check.

There are dinosaurs out there — like me — who don't have a cell phone of any kind. And I'm not getting one, and paying $1,000+ per year, just so I can order vape supplies.

So as far as I'm concerned, vendors using Blue-Check can take it and stuff it where the sun don't shine.

An update regarding my frustration with Blue-Check...

After going back and forth with them, refusing to re-send information that I already sent, got a final reply from them stating I "passed" the verification process and when I place another order with NT, all I will have to do is enter my name and the SMS code that I received, refresh the page twice, and I will be fine.

I'm set with NT juice for now so it will be a while before placing another order.

Hopefully, they have straightened out whatever glitches were there and no one else will have to go through this nightmare.

 

[JoAnnW]

I read about this somewhere, where if you had an account with certain vendors since so n so date, then you didn't have to jump through all the hoops. I wish I could remember where I read that. I'm going to leave "Veratad" until this can be confirmed.

I don't know about "Veratad" Terry but I've had an account with NT for quite a while and always log into my account before placing an order. Sometimes, I use my "Reward Points" when checking out.

I believe with Blue Check, you have to go through the age verification process initially... at least for NT orders.

 

[Bea-FL]

This forum, as I see it, is about the exchange of ideas and dessemination of information. @tmcase started it for the second reason. IMO it was a great idea. Readers of the thread can take the info or leave it. But by knowing what vendor requires what ahead of placing an order they can make an informed decision.

 

[JoAnnW]

I get what you're saying DP and I agree with some of what you said. Black list....maybe so. That wasn't my intention when I started this thread. My intention was to find vendors I didn't have to give too much personal info that could be abused. It may seem selfish but I have to look out for myself first because nobody else will. If the deeming BS isn't overturned or changed, then most if not all vendors will be out of business anyway. In the meantime, if I accept these ridiculous requirements, all of my personal info will be out there for anybody to do what they will with it.

I want to thank you for this very informative thread. My frustration was not with Nicoticket but with Blue Check. I didn't want to keep sending information that I already sent. Hopefully I won't have to repeat that process in the future.

I love NT juice and hope their business will survive this fiasco.

 

[tmcase]

I want to thank everyone that has participated in this thread with info about their experience with vendors that have implemented age verification. That is exactly what I was looking for.

What I don't want to see here is slanderous comments or bashing about vendors because of their choice of age verification which I haven't seen yet. Those posts, if they come up, I will ask to be deleted. Like Retired said, many of these vendors are small shops that can't afford a web designer to incorporate this new process into their website so they choose the cheapest and easiest way to get this onerous job done, by choosing Bluecheck and Veratad. I don't blame the vendors for what they are required by law to do but I also don't have to do business with them if I find there process unacceptable. Many of you feel the same and that is why I started this thread, so we would have one place to go to decide who to buy from.

As for not listing vendors that have acceptable AV...I think this is a good thing. Those are the vendors I will check out first, so that's helping their business.

Thank you all for your cooperation and support. Let's keep this list going.

 

[house mouse]

Vendors and vapers are between a rock and hard place all because of FDA. Here is what I wish, vendors offer several options for age verification, one of them being adult signature confirmation with USPS. That way anyone can make a choice as a customer of their proof of age.

This. Keep the "free" verification for those that have no issue with using it but include an option for adult signature confirmation at time of delivery(even at a higher delivery charge). That is the only option I would ever feel comfortable using.

 

[tmcase]

Listing vendors who are possibly not in compliance with FDA age verification
regulations in a public forum well known to the FDA. What could go wrong?

Valid point but I think the FDA has more important things to do like thinking up more ways to screw us. Relying on snitches is a lot easier for them.

 

[tmcase]

Vendors and vapers are between a rock and hard place all because of FDA. Here is what I wish, vendors offer several options for age verification, one of them being adult signature confirmation with USPS. That way anyone can make a choice as a customer of their proof of age.

This would be ideal but would be a huge burden on the vendors to have all the options ready to put in place, if they could, which many couldn't for reasons mentioned by Retired and myself. It wouldn't be so burdensome though if they chose Bluecheck or Veratad, to give us the option of using one of those or signature delivery. I would rather pay a few bucks more to sign for delivery or even have to go to the PO to get my pkg to save my identity.

 

[bnrkwest]

This would be ideal but would be a huge burden on the vendors to have all the options ready to put in place, if they could, which many couldn't for reasons mentioned by Retired and myself. It wouldn't be so burdensome though if they chose Bluecheck or Veratad, to give us the option of using one of those or signature delivery. I would rather pay a few bucks more to sign for delivery or even have to go to the PO to get my pkg to save my identity.

Maybe they could have a box we click?

 

[Jonner]

ejuicevapor.c.o.m

Good prices, easy checkout.