Modern Vapor Requires a Driver's License?

[RosaJ]

Are they going to keep it with your account so you don't have to submit it every time you buy? If they do, then I would worry about their onlilne security. They (the banks/government/powers that be) keep saying not to give out your personal information to avoid id theft. Kind of worrisome after the rash of credit card fraud happening lately...

I'm sooo glad I buy my ejuice from a local store! Just remembered that right before I stopped smoking, I went to get my weekly carton from CVS and they asked me for my drivers license. I thought they were joking, as I am a grey haired 65 year old and they told me the government wanted to keep tabs on who was buying cigarettes. They entered my dl number on their computer system.

 

[bhswmc01]

I remember doing this to get free American Spirits a few years back - didn't have to take a picture, but I had to enter my license info to be verified. While this is super easy for kids to get around, it's a logical expectation on the vendor's side to cover their behinds.

 

[Ken_A]

As stevegmu says, it protects the Vendor.

I disagree. It's too easy to fraud and therefore not a good practice. What it does do, is make the VENDOR feel like they can point and say "see what I have done!!!"

Well I don't purchase from such vendors. I purchase from the ones that make me feel like they at least marginally care about their clients and customers. The hand-written note. the ¢2 bauble. the normal or even occasional extra sample.
basically these people are saying - "Yall come back now, hear?" rather than "I AM BIG BROTHER AND WILL TWACK YOU IF YOU MESS UP!!"

 

[tearose50]

I disagree. It's too easy to fraud and therefore not a good practice. What it does do, is make the VENDOR feel like they can point and say "see what I have done!!!"

Well I don't purchase from such vendors. I purchase from the ones that make me feel like they at least marginally care about their clients and customers. The hand-written note. the ¢2 bauble. the normal or even occasional extra sample.
basically these people are saying - "Yall come back now, hear?" rather than "I AM BIG BROTHER AND WILL TWACK YOU IF YOU MESS UP!!"

I suggest you read the thread more carefully.

As it is against the law to sell e-cigs in several states to minors many vendors may need to do much more verification of age steps, including your favorite vendors.

 

[williebb123]

So...I was having trouble finding Halo TruPure (still am) in the level I wanted (18mg) at a decent price, and I came upon Modern Vapor...good prices, seemed like fast shipping at a reasonable rate.

So I placed my order and I got a message telling me my order was on hold and that I had to fax them my driver's license.

I replied, "You're kidding me."

They told me that this is required in the state of CA...and I do get that selling nicotine products to underage people is against the law. I have to show my license when I buy them in a store, too. However, I have bought other juices from other marketers and did not have to fax them my license.

The truth is my scanner is out and I'd have had to go to the library to fax it, etc. and I didn't feel like it; plus, I have other suppliers, including one I can drive to (right around the corner from me), so I told them to just cancel my order.

But here was my question to them: If I am an underage girl who stole her mother's credit card long enough to place an order online, what would stop me from stealing my mother's driver's license long enough to scan it and e-mail it? I mean...this is their proof that it isn't a minor?

No answer from Modern Vapor.

make a photo copy but black out the driver LC# all they need is DOB and address and exp date

 

[Ken_A]

I suggest you read the thread more carefully.

As it is against the law to sell e-cigs in several states to minors many vendors may need to do much more verification of age steps, including your favorite vendors.

At which point, I will stop buying from them. Period!
not only is it not their business that I'm over 50 years of age, I refuse to set myself up for identity theft!

 

[Mike Sheda]

Like Emo dad!

man, I told you... quit hacking my IPhone!

 

[retired1]

Using a credit card is no longer proof that you're over 18. Look how many debit cards are issued on Visa or MasterCard. I foresee many vendors requiring a signature and proof of identify upon receipt of your package. In other words, if you aren't home when it's delivered, you're going to truck on down to the post office to pick it up.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

Using a credit card is no longer proof that you're over 18. Look how many debit cards are issued on Visa or MasterCard. I foresee many vendors requiring a signature and proof of identify upon receipt of your package. In other words, if you aren't home when it's delivered, you're going to truck on down to the post office to pick it up.

Like I said, I have a vape shop right in my town and several others within five miles, I don't actually have to order my juices online. I'll just keep going to my vape shops.

And those really do have self-protection as well as a good sense of the age of the buyer by carding...they're looking straight at the buyer and then looking at his/her picture on the license. I mean that actually makes sense. If I were proven to be underage the shop could say, "She had what appeared to be a valid driver's license. The picture on the license matched her." As opposed to, "Well, we had some picture of some license sent to us by someone we never actually saw so we figured it was a go."

I'm not about to e-mail my driver's license (number or no) to some internet shop that might close up tomorrow, might not have security against being hacked, etc. I did think for a moment about taking a pic of my license as was suggested, and then I thought, "Am I crazy? What, to try some obscure juice that I might hate anyway?" Nope. They're protecting their interests; I'm protecting mine. Simple.

It isn't really a very big deal, I was just trying to purchase a hard-to-get juice (according to one answer on this thread, it's discontinued so it's probably best that I didn't fall in love with it anyway). No problem. I'll just stop looking for juices online and keep going to my vape shops.

I didn't start this thread to bash Modern Vapor, I just found it very ironic that they're "following the law"...by taking a glance at some driver's license that could just as easily have been swiped by a minor as the credit card itself could have been swiped. That's so bizarre. So I wanted to share it.

 

[GypsySyx]

This got me randomly wondering about liquor sales online.

Check this out...Cali (along with some other states) is on this no-ship list too. http://www.liquormart.com/shipping/

And many liquor vendors do seem to require verification (quick scan) but like you said, I can just fax over my mommy's license.

Still this is better than not being able to get it at all. Eventually there may be some sort of "token" you can register for online that preverifies (AgeVerify.com) your age for all sites. *i copyright trademark patent that idea right here right now

ETA: Well damn! Sorry, AGEVERIFY.COM is already taken. Really want it? Try our Domain Buy Service.

(for PORN! )

 

[Ken_A]

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I didn't start this thread to bash Modern Vapor, I just found it very ironic that they're "following the law"...by taking a glance at some driver's license that could just as easily have been swiped by a minor as the credit card itself could have been swiped. That's so bizarre. So I wanted to share it.

I think most of us know that and it seems we have hijacked your thread to discuss the validity of the practice in general.

as for "following the law". I want to see the actual law. and then I will inform the vendor that because they did not fight against the law (most do not) they have lost a business opportunity.
Honestly, this could be a similar case to the one in Canada about nicotine juice. Many vendors there will tell you that nicotine juice is illegal there. But it isn't. What there IS is that their version of the FDA has "made a statement" that it should not be allowed.
Either way though. I will not purchase from a vendor that asks for my DL or wants me to give my credit card number over the phone.
I have had it happen before and my answer is ALWAYS "Intresting... oh, well. thank you anyway but you may cancel my order". I did that with the very first PV purchase back in October. And I went to a vendor that had the same thing for $20 more but did not ask me to risk identity theft.

This got me randomly wondering about liquor sales online.

Check this out...Cali (along with some other states) is on this no-ship list too. http://www.liquormart.com/shipping/

And many liquor vendors do seem to require verification (quick scan) but like you said, I can just fax over my mommy's license.

Still this is better than not being able to get it at all. Eventually there may be some sort of "token" you can register for online that preverifies (AgeVerify.com) your age for all sites. *i copyright trademark patent that idea right here right now

too late.
https://www.google.com/#q=online+age+verification+service

 

[GypsySyx]

I think most of us know that and it seems we have hijacked your thread to discuss the validity of the practice in general.
too late.
https://www.google.com/#q=online+age+verification+service

I know I was editing to add. But hey...what works for porn and liquor...

 

[Capt.shay]

I'm not about to e-mail my driver's license (number or no) to some internet shop that might close up tomorrow, might not have security against being hacked, etc. ...... Nope. They're protecting their interests; I'm protecting mine. Simple.

And there you go. I feel the same way. (goes off to order another liter of 100mg/ml)

 

[stevegmu]

My DL has my name, age and address on it. Not enough information for identity theft. I also subscribe to an identity theft protection service, which everyone should do.

 

[SissySpike]

Laws dont have to make since or be effective. All that maters is there is a law. Especially CA. Its a great state full of great people but its been mismanaged in to bankruptcy yet the still persist with the silly laws and regulations I guess they cant help them selves.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

My DL has my name, age and address on it. Not enough information for identity theft. I also subscribe to an identity theft protection service, which everyone should do.

Well, yeah, it has that. And your DL number.

Plenty of information for identity theft. Especially if it were to go wandering off into Interwebsland.

I used to write for and work for an identity theft outfit, trust me, there isn't one yet that's foolproof. In any event, IMO, even if I were to subscribe to an ID theft outfit, there wouldn't be any reason to go ahead and be just stupid about my self-protection. Again, just my opinion on the matter.

But that aside, I am not giving the company my business...and I am sure they didn't go to bed crying about it either. It's all good, I will continue to buy locally, and in person.

 

[JulesXsmokr]

I guess a low quality picture and black out of the drivers ID number should work. If not, I'd go elsewhere.. Way too much info we are asked to give all these strangers and strange institutions out there..

 

[stevegmu]

A DL # is meaningless to anyone but someone with access to a BMV database or police database. Think of all the places that have much more information than what is on a driver's license. The IRS, BMV/DMV, medical records, insurance records, credit agencies, pharmacies, banks- the list is virtually endless. All the places I listed even have my social security number. I'd certainly trust a vape shop I know to keep my information secure, over the IRS or other government agency- at least considering all the Russian and Chinese hacks of government computers. A vape shop has more to lose- their livelihood.

I use a ID theft agency to prevent and unravel identity theft, even if there is a minuscule chance it will happen.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

A DL # is meaningless to anyone but someone with access to a BMV database or police database. Think of all the places that have much more information than what is on a driver's license. The IRS, BMV/DMV, medical records, insurance records, credit agencies, pharmacies, banks- the list is virtually endless. All the places I listed even have my social security number. I'd certainly trust a vape shop I know to keep my information secure, over the IRS or other government agency- at least considering all the Russian and Chinese hacks of government computers. A vape shop has more to lose- their livelihood.

I use a ID theft agency to prevent and unravel identity theft, even if there is a minuscule chance it will happen.

You're free to make that choice.

I'm free to make mine. And to decide what's more trouble than it's worth.

As for trusting a vape shop you know, I don't know Modern Vapor at all, that's the first time I ever attempted to shop with them. I found them on a Google search for a specific product. I definitely don't know them and am under no illusion that they care about protecting my data (their motivation is protection of their own interests), nor do I have any evidence that they'd protect my identity better than the IRS (really?) so...again, it's all about personal choice.

 

[stevegmu]

Being California, the only real fear I would have is they would try to retroactively tax e-nic purchases.

Back in my roll my own days, I remember seeing posts on RYO forums from people in New York receiving huge tax bills for buying out of state. On a national level, if all vape shops were required to collect such information, eventually states with e-nic tax could use the records to collect tax from 'scofflaws' buying out of state tax-free.