My NET Experiments -- Microwave Heat Extraction

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I have posted this before so please be easy on me if you have seen this. Has anyone or anyone you know ever experimented with one of these. I have one not like the one in the link. The one I have is 40 years old.
I'm not trying to derail the thread.

Edit: Forgot the link.
https://www.superflowertower.com/Essential-Oil-Maker-for-USA/
 
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I have posted this before so please be easy on me if you have seen this. Has anyone or anyone you know ever experimented with one of these. I have one not like the one in the link. The one I have is 40 years old.
I'm not trying to derail the thread.

Edit: Forgot the link.
https://www.superflowertower.com/Essential-Oil-Maker-for-USA/

Never seen or heard of anything like it myself, but if you have one, have you tried it for a NET? My pockets are not deep enough for such a gizmo considering I had good results from stuff in the kitchen. But that's cool. :)
 

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I did try it a couple a days ago I'm not sure what the extract is supposed to look like nor what mg nic resulted. I have a nic test kit I will be checking. But the results look very promising to me. Just not sure.

I would suggest you take a picture of your gizmo and start a new thread with the details of your extraction and the tobacco you used, etc. Detail your process and progress. We all learn from each other.
 

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I have posted this before so please be easy on me if you have seen this. Has anyone or anyone you know ever experimented with one of these. I have one not like the one in the link. The one I have is 40 years old.
I'm not trying to derail the thread.

Edit: Forgot the link.
https://www.superflowertower.com/Essential-Oil-Maker-for-USA/

Wow, what is that :)

What color is your extract? Is it clear?

I don't have much experience in extracting pretty much anything, so I can't comment much on this.
 

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I vaped my juice today. The bitterness is gone now. I still get that microwave popcorn buttery aroma but now with a touch of tobacco. I mixed up an additional 15 mL juice since I might be sampling this every day.

Now the pure extract is a different story. Yesterday it had only a strong popcorn smell. Now it has ashtray, tobacco and little bit of that popcorn smell. And it's very strong. Maybe I'll start getting these components in the juice itself too after some steeping time.

If I have time and peace of mind tomorrow, I'll do a pure VG extract.
 

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I vaped my juice today. The bitterness is gone now. I still get that microwave popcorn buttery aroma but now with a touch of tobacco. I mixed up an additional 15 mL juice since I might be sampling this every day.

That's great... sounds like it's improving! BTW, what mix are you using when you vape it?

Now the pure extract is a different story. Yesterday it had only a strong popcorn smell. Now it has ashtray, tobacco and little bit of that popcorn smell. And it's very strong. Maybe I'll start getting these components in the juice itself too after some steeping time.

You mean in the mixed juice, right? I would think so, unless it's too diluted to tell. I don't suppose you have a dripper? It's a great way to test NETs and DIY juices. I didn't have a dripper when I did mine (I do now) but I actually did 50/50 NET to mix when testing mine the first few days, cause I wanted to really taste the NET, even though I'd read any more than 15% of the NET is a waste cause the flavor doesn't really get stronger.

If I have time and peace of mind tomorrow, I'll do a pure VG extract.

Oh goody. More fun! :) Good luck!
 

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That's great... sounds like it's improving! BTW, what mix are you using when you vape it?

Yes! There was a small improvement today. I'm vaping it with 25% NET 50/50 PG/VG mixture.

You mean in the mixed juice, right? I would think so, unless it's too diluted to tell. I don't suppose you have a dripper? It's a great way to test NETs and DIY juices. I didn't have a dripper when I did mine (I do now) but I actually did 50/50 NET to mix when testing mine the first few days, cause I wanted to really taste the NET, even though I'd read any more than 15% of the NET is a waste cause the flavor doesn't really get stronger.

The stronger and broader aroma is in the extract, not the mix. When I sniff the extract bottle, besides being more intense, it feels as if it has more nuances with the ashtray and stuff compared to the mixed juice.. Maybe I can't detect them in the diluted mix as well... Or the juice needs more steeping due to dilution and let flavor molecules bind, bond , diffuse or whatever magic they do :)

I don't have a dripper yet. I might get one too. I also read that people only use 10-20% NET extract. I think that'll be another experiment once I hone in the flavors :)


Oh goody. More fun! :) Good luck!

Thanks :)
 
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I want to append my post about extracts and steeping.

There is one difference I notice after my extracts have some steeping time, and that's a fairly significant diminishing of the sweetness. The perception might be that the tobacco flavor gets stronger, but I think what's really happening is that the extract is less sweet, thus leaving the impression of stronger tobacco flavor.

I suppose it's possible that I have that process backwards---that the tobacco does actually get stronger while the sweetness stays the same, thus making the sweetness seem less by contrast---but I'm guessing that it's the other way round, as I wrote above.

I haven't noticed that the literal flavor of the tobacco changes with steeping. Even with diminished sweetness, the extract still has the same characteristic flavor of whatever blend of tobaccos were used to make the extract, just stronger.
 

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Yes! There was a small improvement today. I'm vaping it with 25% NET 50/50 PG/VG mixture.

I would expect it to continue to improve daily for at least a week but especially over the first few days. And that mix sounds fine [since we both read anything over 15% or so is a waste]. I just did a 50/50 NET mix because I knew the flavor was going to be light at first.

The stronger and broader aroma is in the extract, not the mix.

Of course, the NET is concentrated. I was just asking to make sure I was understanding you.

When I sniff the extract bottle, besides being more intense, it feels as if it has more nuances with the ashtray and stuff compared to the mixed juice.. Maybe I can't detect them in the diluted mix as well... Or the juice needs more steeping due to dilution and let flavor molecules bind, bond , diffuse or whatever magic they do :)

The diluted mix will always smell muted compared to the concentrated extract. But it should be a tasty vape and all those nuances you can smell in the extract should come out in the vape.

I don't have a dripper yet. I might get one too. I also read that people only use 10-20% NET extract. I think that'll be another experiment once I hone in the flavors :)

Yeah, that's why I made small amounts of mixed juice while testing. Didn't mix more than I'd vape that day, so I could make a new batch the next day with the newly-improved NET. :) Didn't make 30ml bottles until a week or two passed and I could tell it was as mature as it was going to get.

A dripper is a really handy thing to have. And they aren't expensive. I got my IGO L clone from FT for $7. But I'd recommend one that has holes in the posts so you just pass the legs through and tighten the screws down. On mine you have to wind the legs around the posts, then tighten the screws, and it's a bit of a hassle. But what I like about the IGO is it has a deep well for holding juice, so you can put like 15 drops in it, which means less dripping. Something to consider when looking.... :)
 

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I want to append my post about extracts and steeping.

There is one difference I notice after my extracts have some steeping time, and that's a fairly significant diminishing of the sweetness. The perception might be that the tobacco flavor gets stronger, but I think what's really happening is that the extract is less sweet, thus leaving the impression of stronger tobacco flavor.

I suppose it's possible that I have that process backwards---that the tobacco does actually get stronger while the sweetness stays the same, thus making the sweetness seem less by contrast---but I'm guessing that it's the other way round, as I wrote above.

I haven't noticed that the literal flavor of the tobacco changes with steeping. Even with diminished sweetness, the extract still has the same characteristic flavor of whatever blend of tobaccos were used to make the extract, just stronger.

What tobacco are you using for the NET?
 

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I want to append my post about extracts and steeping.

There is one difference I notice after my extracts have some steeping time, and that's a fairly significant diminishing of the sweetness. The perception might be that the tobacco flavor gets stronger, but I think what's really happening is that the extract is less sweet, thus leaving the impression of stronger tobacco flavor.

I suppose it's possible that I have that process backwards---that the tobacco does actually get stronger while the sweetness stays the same, thus making the sweetness seem less by contrast---but I'm guessing that it's the other way round, as I wrote above.

I haven't noticed that the literal flavor of the tobacco changes with steeping. Even with diminished sweetness, the extract still has the same characteristic flavor of whatever blend of tobaccos were used to make the extract, just stronger.

Bill what's the typical PG/VG blend do you use? I wonder if you are getting the VG sweetness before the tobacco taste gets stronger.
 

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The diluted mix will always smell muted compared to the concentrated extract. But it should be a tasty vape and all those nuances you can smell in the extract should come out in the vape.

I'm hoping so. Maybe another week or so.

A dripper is a really handy thing to have. And they aren't expensive. I got my IGO L clone from FT for $7. But I'd recommend one that has holes in the posts so you just pass the legs through and tighten the screws down. On mine you have to wind the legs around the posts, then tighten the screws, and it's a bit of a hassle. But what I like about the IGO is it has a deep well for holding juice, so you can put like 15 drops in it, which means less dripping. Something to consider when looking.... :)

15 drops is pretty good! That'll almost be enough for me for a session. Thanks for letting me know :)
 

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Bill what's the typical PG/VG blend do you use? I wonder if you are getting the VG sweetness before the tobacco taste gets stronger.

For the extracts in question, I used 75/25 PG/VG, so I doubt that there's enough VG to kick up the sweetness much.

For mixed juices, my base ratios are all over the map. 70/30, 50/50, 40/60, and 20/80 PG/VG. I mix small 3ml bottles of each extract at different extract percentages (from 7% to 25%) and different base ratios (those listed above) to see how the juices vary in flavor, vapor, viscosity, and mouthfeel. I've been ending up mostly using 13% extract in a 50/50 base.
 
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