New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

[mikepetro]

Can I just ask a question. I have read all the information and looked through the whole post.

As an engineer my self this can not be accurate for example I run a dead rabbit RDA with ss flaptons.

But if I was to run the same coils in the csment wide open or the drop RDA wide open the temperature of the coils will be completely different. And so will the position of the build as this can not always be the same unless they are made by machine but then there will always be a 1% conflict due to human error (a computer is only as good as it's programmer)

Also the way that all coils are made are actually different for example kanthal is not always 100% pure or a mixed coil with ss.

This is also the same with pre made coils and sub tanks the baby beast has more of an airflow than that of the celito exo.

Also dependant on where the coils are produced or what they are handled with.

What I am trying to get at is that every tank RDA coil cotton airflow power mod device is different.

There for are these results not assumed in the hole range an estimate for example or an average not whole.

Yes, there are many variables, see my post here where I explain them all.
However in TC mode the temp is extrapolated from the resistance of the coil itself. As long as the TCR matches the wire, and the mod was soundly built, the temp reading shoud be reasonably accurate. Variables such as juice/air flow etc that affect temp will be seen in the resistance of the wire.


VV & VW Mod Temperature Variables.

 

[mikepetro]

Next up is a study of whether the food grade flavorings which are fda approved for oral consumption, are harmful when Vaped into the lungs.

Please do let me know who is going to do that study, I would love to follow it.......

 

[DPLongo22]

Please do let me know who is going to do that study, I would love to follow it.......

You're part of it.

 

[mikepetro]

I'm not saying it's not use full and yes DNA are very close however once again they are not always 100% the same due to human error once again I could have one DNA mod that is 10% and one that is 15% they are never the same due to the human that has programmed the code for the batch of chips. The same as computer hardware I can have two graphics cards both from the same manufacturer both from the same hole seller however one can handle more heat than the other or one can be program overclocked more than the other.

The Dna I used was calibrated, and validated, with NIST traceable instruments to be +/- 10 degrees.

Yes, I have long had confidence in the DNA line. but just because mine is accurate doesnt mean they all are. And while not the intent of this thread, TC accuracy is dependent on a lot of variables.

• The manufacturer of the board
• How well the mod was constructed, specifically with respect to the solder joints to the 510 connector
• Is it a quality 510 connector, many spring loaded connectors dont have enough tension
• Was the mod calibrated to account for internal resistance
• The quality of the atty, specifically its internal resistance and stability under heat flux
• The accuracy of the TCR curve being used with respect to the wire
• The quality and consistency of the wire.
• The technique of the user in assembling all of the above

There are a lot factors that must come together to have an accurate TC reading on a mod. A mere couple hundredths of an ohm can make a big difference with some of the wire being used.

Alas, that is the topic of many other threads already scattered about ECF

(Copied from post #4515)

 

[mikepetro]

Yes I did just nothing is perfect and no one is perfect and no results are either my friend

Have I ever claimed perfection, for that matter, what else in life has......

 

[mikepetro]

I'm not saying any of this research is not a good thing it's just that I see that due to all this information and there is alot to digest. There is still more information and research needed as like I said there are so many differences to consider. And this is one of the reasons the restrictions are all ready here to maintain structure and stability I suppose.
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note this statement from the University of Cambridge Cancer Institute:

"We also know that different users use different devices and liquids. So it could be that some are safer or more harmful than others. And people also use the devices in different ways. So further work needs to be done to understand these differences, so that each vaper is using their device as safely as possible."

I was just doing some of that work.
I dont understand your issue with my work?

 

[mikepetro]

You're part of it.

And then you woke up....
All my testing was with unflavored, by design, I am NOT getting into that particular can of worms.

 

[PapawBrett]

The more I look at this thread, the more I am glad I'm not Mike

Vaping is still a relatively new technology. Though the PV may have been originally designed in the'50s for asthma sufferers, commercial vaping is only about ten years old.
There will be more to find as we travel this journey.

 

[DPLongo22]

And then you woke up....
All my testing was with unflavored, by design, I am NOT getting into that particular can of worms.

Sorry, Mike. I didn't realize that was all you vaped.

I've got your spot covered though, for better or worse, and happy to be a part of it. Livin' on the edge.

 

[St1flerSteve]

note this statement from the University of Cambridge Cancer Institute:

"We also know that different users use different devices and liquids. So it could be that some are safer or more harmful than others. And people also use the devices in different ways. So further work needs to be done to understand these differences, so that each vaper is using their device as safely as possible."

I was just doing some of that work.
I dont understand your issue with my work?

I have no issue with Any of it I was just asking and having a say sorry if I offended or was not allowed

 

[mikepetro]

I have no issue with Any of it I was just asking and having a say sorry if I offended or was not allowed

Its allowed, speak your mind. As long as it is not disrespectful I have no issue with anyone speaking their mind or disagreeing with me.

I just dont understand what your issue is. Everything you have said is stuff I have already made clear, I thought.

 

[mikepetro]

Sorry, Mike. I didn't realize that was all you vaped.

I've got your spot covered though, for better or worse, and happy to be a part of it. Livin' on the edge.

I vape Peach occasionally, but I get vapers tongue pretty quick so most of what I vape is unflavored.

 

[stols001]

On another note... I have been vaping 10% distilled h20 thanks to these results when I'm not using TC.... I thought I would hate it, I actually LIKE it, a LOT. Much smoother/airier vape for someone who can't use PG, and who'd a thunk it, but it seems (to me) that it's actually more flavorful, I'm not sure if that's because it's still wicking better, or what.

(This is one of MikeP's recommendations for folks who can only vape VG, due to it's low boiling or degradation or whatever point you want to call it). My tanks aren't heating up even slightly, either, even if I chain vape (I have been testing this OUT )

I have discovered that I don't much care to vape vodka/everclear/ETOH in general, really, not even a miniscule amount (like a drop or two). But, a drop or two of really cheap cooking burgundy was... sort of interesting. I got rid of it the minute it started cooking on my coil, but regardless, (this is my apricot-brandy flavoring) the result TASTED fantastic, but smelled just like curry. I really had to change my coil.

I think I will be staying away from the alcoHols, even in my vape.

Seriously though, useful information that is accurate, is usually borne out in real world results. You don't have to vape TC to get some good things out of this information....

Anna

 

[drmarble]

I vape Peach occasionally, but I get vapers tongue pretty quick so most of what I vape is unflavored.

I thought you has a pickle blend you vaped. I must have you confused with someone of 'refined' taste.
Unflavored, 10mg/ml, 10%DW balance VG is my favorite. My stealth vape is 35mg/ml, 65/35 PG/VG.

 

[mikepetro]

I thought you has a pickle blend you vaped. I must have you confused with someone of 'refined' taste.
Unflavored, 10mg/ml, 10%DW balance VG is my favorite. My stealth vape is 35mg/ml, 65/35 PG/VG.

I might have to make up some of that, havent done that in a while, I think I will make some tonight.

 

[mikepetro]

I thought you has a pickle blend you vaped. I must have you confused with someone of 'refined' taste.
Unflavored, 10mg/ml, 10%DW balance VG is my favorite. My stealth vape is 35mg/ml, 65/35 PG/VG.

Thanks for the inspriation, this dill pickle juice is conquering my vape tongue, at least for the moment.

 

[drmarble]

Thanks for the inspriation, this dill pickle juice is conquering my vape tongue, at least for the moment.

Glad I could help. I will stick with my cinnamon red-hot (&ice) for vapor's tongue.

 

[jdy]

HI Mike,

That one worked perfectly, it took most of the day to fine tune it. For the first time I even ran the batteries down and they always last until I get home from work. It is now running at 100C it doesn't go over 40W and shows the SS with the C, the taste is mild as I like it, it's perfect. I think that comes out to 212F so I'm in the safe zone.

I'm not a BIG Cloud type but not a Tootle Puffer either and the TC kicks on at just the right time.
I applaud you thank you so much for your expertise and for sharing!! The less chemicals where possible is always better than breathing formaldehyde!
Thank you!!
Jody

 

[mikepetro]

HI Mike,

That one worked perfectly, it took most of the day to fine tune it. For the first time I even ran the batteries down and they always last until I get home from work. It is now running at 100C it doesn't go over 40W and shows the SS with the C, the taste is mild as I like it, it's perfect. I think that comes out to 212F so I'm in the safe zone.

I'm not a BIG Cloud type but not a Tootle Puffer either and the TC kicks on at just the right time.
I applaud you thank you so much for your expertise and for sharing!! The less chemicals where possible is always better than breathing formaldehyde!
Thank you!!
Jody

Glad we could help!

 

[mikepetro]

Its moments like this that give me the strength to hang in there.