New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers
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I was thinking more along the lines of someone who would find an alternate route.
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Truth, don't have to get mad at it, it's just data, up to the individual to decide what they want to do, or not do about it.
Personally this study means very little for me as I vape rn, I exclusively use dna boards and stainless steel (prefer nickel free 430 but will go to 316L when using claptons) and vape at ~390F. Been on the TC bandwagon since the. Dna40, and I'm satisfied with it. I will pass this along though.
Although I did spend about 6 years tootlepuffing with SS mesh wrapped in kanthal on top of mech mods, so I've probably inhaled my fair share of carcinogens.
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The whole trying to guage the temp of a kanthal coil seems a bit silly to me, I mean what are you going to do with that info and how far do you want to take it? Do you want to only vape in air conditioning, out of direct sunlight, time your pulls with a stopwatch?
I think the choice to make here is whether to switch to a temp control build on a decently accurate TC mod, or keep doing what you're doing.
I think the choice to make here is whether to switch to a temp control build on a decently accurate TC mod, or keep doing what you're doing.
I hope I didn't give the impression that I'm upset that this exists, or that you've shared this information, or that I'm dismissing it.
Information like this is the kind of information we need. What I will have a problem with is how this information may be used, especially given that it is far from definitive. Also, not accusing anyone in this thread of promoting this information in a negative way.
Think about what happened after the "revelation" that many e-liquids contained diketones. Community uproar, boycotts, etc. Then, down the road, we learn just how much is in the e-liquid, then we start to learn how much is present in the vapor, then people bring up the spurious links between diketones and actual health problems, and the levels in cigarettes. My point is not that diketones aren't a problem, but IMO, the reaction did not match the severity of the issue. People can be smart, mobs are usually not, and any time you simplify a concept, someone else will attempt to simplify it even more, usually until the "rule" that results bears little resemblance to the knowledge that was intended to be passed on.
Research is important, and there is more on the horizon. Objective research is even more important. So many studies are funded to reach a predetermined conclusion.
What got released during that workshop is only the tip of the iceberg. There is a ton of other stuff out there, authors are just doing their due diligence before offering it up to peer review.
I think most everybody on this forum agrees that vaping is safer than smoking. However, I think we are just beginning to truly understand the unique aspects of vaping. There are so many variables that hard fast conclusions are often misleading. Getting safer as we go is inevitable.
What got released during that workshop is only the tip of the iceberg. There is a ton of other stuff out there, authors are just doing their due diligence before offering it up to peer review.
I think most everybody on this forum agrees that vaping is safer than smoking. However, I think we are just beginning to truly understand the unique aspects of vaping. There are so many variables that hard fast conclusions are often misleading. Getting safer as we go is inevitable.
I'm just frustrated to not even have a ballpark with kanthal to see if I'm in the "safe zone" with how I vape.
Safer than smoking, almost certainly YES.
As for determining what temperature you are actually vaping at, the best advise I can give is buy/find/borrow a TC mod and compare it side by side with yours at various temps.
I have lots of TC mods, but don't use the function. How would I go about doing that? Do I make a SS coil and compare with kanthal?
EDIT: I'm sure I'll figure out something to see what temp I'm at. You have been more than helpful and I appreciate it.
If it were me I would:
- Get two identical attys
- Build one with kanthal and the other with NI, SS, or TI
- Fill them both with the same bottle of juice
- Set the TC mod to 400-450 depending on what tastes best to you
- Then find the wattage on the kanthal mod that matches that vape.
This is actually the part that I disagree with. We have always known that too hot a vape wasn't a good thing ..... it tastes bad!
I have lots of TC mods, but don't use the function. How would I go about doing that? Do I make a SS coil and compare with kanthal?
EDIT: I'm sure I'll figure out something to see what temp I'm at. You have been more than helpful and I appreciate it.
You could do some Comparisons.
When I 1st got a TC Mod that seemed to work Reliably, I put a SS build in it and then set the Temp Limit to about 420F. Then set the Wattage to what I normally Vape in VW mode.
The Temperature Protection never Kicked in. Had to Lower the Temperature to around 390F to see anything happening. And that was more at the End of a Long Hit.
So that told me that Unless I run the Wick Dry, I would probably not Exceed 400F or so.
Wasn't Fool-Proof by any means. But it gave me an Ballpark Idea of what Temperatures I was achieving in VW for that type of Build/Airflow/Length of Hit/etc.
Knowing and quantifying are two things.This is actually the part that I disagree with. We have always known that too hot a vape wasn't a good thing ..... it tastes bad!
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