New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers
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Then you, most likely, would have noticed.
And still, you would have avoided Carbonmonoxide, tar, heavy metals, Nitrosamines,....either way.
The question is, I believe, if this "poisoning" is happening, with some people vaping for 10 years or so, some vaping very hard (up to 30 to 60ml of liquid a day), where are the medical cases? Where even are the cases of side effects sufferers?
Formaldehyde is a potent mucous membrane irritant. As such, acute (short term) formaldehyde exposure concentrations > 0.05 ppm can cause irritation of the eyes, nose, throat and sinuses. Resulting symptoms include burning, dryness, redness and itching of eyes, nasal dryness, soreness, runniness; sore or dry throat, and sinus congestion or post-nasal drip. Secondary effects associated with these symptoms may include cough, chest tightness, excessive phlegm production, repeated sinus infections, eye infections and possibly bronchitis. In very sensitive individuals these respiratory symptoms may progress to asthma and for those with existing asthma exposure to formaldehyde may precipitate asthmatic attacks.
Formaldehyde exposures even at concentrations as low as 0.04 ppm have been shown to apparently cause sub-clinical respiratory inflammatory responses which can be detected by expired breath analyses to determine nitric oxide (NO) in one’s breath. Such an analysis is the only known test that can demonstrate that formaldehyde can cause adverse health effects at concentrations found in building environments.
Formaldehyde: Are You Sick from Formaldehyde Exposure? - HealthyHouseInstitute.com
Symptoms of Chemical poisoning -- Acetaldehyde
The list of signs and symptoms mentioned in various sources for Chemical poisoning -- Acetaldehyde includes the 20 symptoms listed below:
Eye irritation
Nose irritation
Throat irritation
Conjunctivitis
Dermatitis
High blood pressure - low level exposure
Rapid heart rate - low level exposure
Low blood pressure - high level exposure
Slowed heart rate - high level exposure
Light sensitive eyes
Tearing eyes
Bronchitis
Skin burns
Cough
........
Nausea
Vomiting
Breathing difficulty
Red skin
Fluid in the lungs
Symptoms of Chemical poisoning -- Acetaldehyde - RightDiagnosis.com
So far, every vaper (or just about every one that stated) how vaping has affected them will say that they breathe better, are healthier, some even clear out from being sick with lung diseases (asthma going away, bronchitis and even pneumonia that they didn't treat with antibiotics ended up getting rid of the infection), and so on...
Formaldehyde is a potent mucous membrane irritant. As such, acute (short term) formaldehyde exposure concentrations > 0.05 ppm can cause irritation of the eyes, nose, throat and sinuses. Resulting symptoms include burning, dryness, redness and itching of eyes, nasal dryness, soreness, runniness; sore or dry throat, and sinus congestion or post-nasal drip. Secondary effects associated with these symptoms may include cough, chest tightness, excessive phlegm production, repeated sinus infections, eye infections and possibly bronchitis. In very sensitive individuals these respiratory symptoms may progress to asthma and for those with existing asthma exposure to formaldehyde may precipitate asthmatic attacks.
Formaldehyde exposures even at concentrations as low as 0.04 ppm have been shown to apparently cause sub-clinical respiratory inflammatory responses which can be detected by expired breath analyses to determine nitric oxide (NO) in one’s breath. Such an analysis is the only known test that can demonstrate that formaldehyde can cause adverse health effects at concentrations found in building environments.
Formaldehyde: Are You Sick from Formaldehyde Exposure? - HealthyHouseInstitute.com
Symptoms of Chemical poisoning -- Acetaldehyde
The list of signs and symptoms mentioned in various sources for Chemical poisoning -- Acetaldehyde includes the 20 symptoms listed below:
Eye irritation
Nose irritation
Throat irritation
Conjunctivitis
Dermatitis
High blood pressure - low level exposure
Rapid heart rate - low level exposure
Low blood pressure - high level exposure
Slowed heart rate - high level exposure
Light sensitive eyes
Tearing eyes
Bronchitis
Skin burns
Cough
........
Nausea
Vomiting
Breathing difficulty
Red skin
Fluid in the lungs
Symptoms of Chemical poisoning -- Acetaldehyde - RightDiagnosis.com
So far, every vaper (or just about every one that stated) how vaping has affected them will say that they breathe better, are healthier, some even clear out from being sick with lung diseases (asthma going away, bronchitis and even pneumonia that they didn't treat with antibiotics ended up getting rid of the infection), and so on...
And some could believe that watching goldfish swim can cause cancer.... basically cancer happens when the body cells mutates... for something to be a carcinogen that triggers such a cancer, the substance needs to be present and detected... and I've yet to see anyone have medical testing and results that indicate these substances....
Hell, nothing in my bloodwork or many many tests during my life showed anything, and I still have cancer myself.... it runs in my family, and it simply "activated" at the age I'm at.
Worst part.. the type of cancer I have, research dictates that smoking actually would have (or should I say "could have") prevented it, they don't know why, but that's what they figured out due to lots of testing... you don't think that this fact is mind blowing...?
yup.. color me surprised as I researched it... just do a search for: thyroid cancer smoking
Now I'm not saying that they have conclusive results, but from everything they've done, it was a constant.
Note that I was never a smoker, and I ate healthy, and would be fairly active. Didn't help me none... then again, at least it wasn't fatal, like the type of cancers that just about everyone in my family have gotten, and most didn't smoke or anything "cancer-like" risk behavior.
Since I started following this topic 2 years ago I've seen a lot of bad science and bald faced lying. What has this latest study uncovered that was overlooked by all the previous studies? Bellinger might be the second most important ecig inventor after Han Lic. May be they should share the Nobel prize in medicine. Regardless he has a conflict of interest.
As I stated earlier, we are our own worst enemy.
I think that with the war going on, the public perceptions, the propaganda, we are living the phase of "what if we are wrong?"....
I'll just wait until coherent and proper medical testing confirms anything either way.
As has been said, this is another piece of the puzzle in trying to be informed vapers. Device safety, battery safety, flavoring safety and temperature safety are all areas where we each decide what we are comfortable with.
In the context of years of questionable studies attacking ecigs, many here on ECF are initially skeptical about new information. Kind of a trust but verify perspective. For those that embrace TC as the obvious future, this information reinforces their point of view.
Imagine if a comparable set of information was published that indicated vaporizing more than 1% flavoring made vaping more dangerous than smoking, and that only one type of atomizer can calculate the vapor flavoring content.
What would you do with this new information? Would everybody come to the same conclusions and change their style of vaping en masse? More likely some would treat it as gospel, some would ignore it and many would ask questions and want more information. Some would be defensive and some would be condescending.
I remember when battery venting orifice dimensions went through same process here.
The only thing wrong with this thread is the expectation that it would proceed in the General Vaping area without being a bumpy ride.
In the context of years of questionable studies attacking ecigs, many here on ECF are initially skeptical about new information. Kind of a trust but verify perspective. For those that embrace TC as the obvious future, this information reinforces their point of view.
Imagine if a comparable set of information was published that indicated vaporizing more than 1% flavoring made vaping more dangerous than smoking, and that only one type of atomizer can calculate the vapor flavoring content.
What would you do with this new information? Would everybody come to the same conclusions and change their style of vaping en masse? More likely some would treat it as gospel, some would ignore it and many would ask questions and want more information. Some would be defensive and some would be condescending.
I remember when battery venting orifice dimensions went through same process here.
The only thing wrong with this thread is the expectation that it would proceed in the General Vaping area without being a bumpy ride.
Oh absolutely... I think that this has been a great thread, with many stating their views and so on, and unless those I have on ignore trolled it (but can't see their usual rants), it's been a very good conversation. It gave me a bit more faith in this forum that the trolling has made me want to quit on more than one occasion.
And I do prefer TC and advocate it completely (and believe that dry-hits are very nasty and even risky).
Compared to the history of tobacco use, vaping is still in it's infancy, and it's practitioners comprise a relatively small niche when compared to the widespread use tobacco possessed at it's zenith by the general population.
I don't view a thread like this as a threat or indictment against vaping, more part of needed though ofttimes avoided discussions. I'm currently pro vaping, as harm reduction from long term tobacco smoking, but also realize the jury is not in as to it's long term medical consequences. Even at it's advanced age my mind is still capable and willing to follow inquiry, even when it's results may not suit my opinion.
I don't view a thread like this as a threat or indictment against vaping, more part of needed though ofttimes avoided discussions. I'm currently pro vaping, as harm reduction from long term tobacco smoking, but also realize the jury is not in as to it's long term medical consequences. Even at it's advanced age my mind is still capable and willing to follow inquiry, even when it's results may not suit my opinion.
I vape with a ProVari and Kayfun combo. I don't have TC.
Bottom line: do I need to worry?
Serious question.
I'm sure there are more like me out there wondering...
Bottom line: do I need to worry?
Serious question.
I'm sure there are more like me out there wondering...
Serious answer to your question. For me and me alone.
No.
I'll worry when public health England presents a study indicating that a lack of tc will considerably lower the safety of ecigs compared with conventional cigarettes.
Please make sure that you understand that these are my opinions and my opinions alone.
The consensus I get is because it can't be measured by a TC mod then there is no way to be sure which is extremely frustrating because I tootle puff with low watts and never a dry hit, and I assume you do as well.
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