Nicotine less addictive via vaping then smoking?
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Perhaps the Lack of Hand-to-Mouth, Oral Fixation, in Gum/Patches is why they do not have a Higher Success rate?
To Me, I got the Kinetic Satisfaction from e-Cigarettes when I Switched. Perhaps others have gotten the Same "Feeling" of Smoking without Smoking.
I know lots of folks who used them to quit. They may not be having all of the enjoyment that were are having but it worked for them
They don't get the fun with vaping that I enjoy.Yes, I realize it's not one experiment... But even if it were 1000 experiments, it is still not air tight or concrete proof because there may be a smaller number of people who have say a genetic propensity. It is an assumption (and only mine) that a few people (not the masses) of people find themselves addicted to nicotine, which too them is way more addicting than anything else they have ever tried.
I don't think there is going to be Many Vape Stores when the Market is Fully Regulated. Because I don't think there will be that Many Companies Selling e-Liquids/Pre-Filled Cartridges.
But that might be a Topic better suited to Another Thread.
The Issue of Nicotine Addiction and Underage Use though is Going to be Front and Center with Many Senators. If the Earlier Senate Hearings were Not Enough to show Vapers this, I don't know what would.
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Vapers need to keep vaping in the eye's of ADULTS and there will be no issues with anyone. If we keep Vaping respectful. We will be able to Vape in peace forever.
Obviously.
It was actually meant to be a rhetorical question.
Because I thought the answer was so obvious.
Maybe I assume too much, and am often too subtle or ambiguous.
I don't like to spell things out, but rather encourage people to think a bit.
But in your case, I'm going to assume you already knew all that.
And you're just helping me out.
I applaud you Optimism. Unfortunately, I do Not Share that Same belief.
Perhaps if e-Cigarettes were being Evaluated on a Level Playing Field, things would be Different. But they are Not.
And Issues like Taxes, BT Profits and Political Grandstanding keep getting in the Way of what e-Cigarettes are.
I looked at your profile and reviewed the "Areas" you visit...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/members/magicjosh.250878/
It appears you have never posted in the following subforums...
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I am going to assume you are not familiar with the fight to save vaping.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Obviously.
It was actually meant to be a rhetorical question.
Because I thought the answer was so obvious.
Maybe I assume too much, and am often too subtle or ambiguous.
I don't like to spell things out, but rather encourage people to think a bit.
But in your case, I'm going to assume you already knew all that.
And you're just helping me out.
Yeah... I think I knew where you were at.
I just Replied more to Inject something that perhaps someone New to e-Cigarettes, or a ECF Guest who Hasn't Switched yet might not have considered.
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I disagree. I think DIY will be the future, as long as there is a baking and candy industry. The commercial juice biz may be a thing of the past, of course, but as long as unflavored juice is available or can be mixed, there will be (DIY) flavored juice.
Ok, so we have reduced your argument to the idea that 1:x people might be susceptible to high levels of nicotine dependence when delivered by vaping. That "x" could be 1:100 or 1:1000 you are careful to leave the context blank.I know lots of folks who used them to quit. They may not be having all of the enjoyment that were are having but it worked for them
Yes, I realize it's not one experiment... But even if it were 1000 experiments, it is still not air tight or concrete proof because there may be a smaller number of people who have say a genetic propensity. It is an assumption (and only mine) that a few people (not the masses) of people find themselves addicted to nicotine, which too them is way more addicting than anything else they have ever tried.
So your argument basically falls on the possibility of a few outliers, and it is a few or they would have shown up in the hundreds of test subjects that have participated in nicotine studies, yet NONE of them developed a dependency. And as such your argument has no relevency to the discussion as to the general dependence of nicotine on never-smokers. You have no factual basis that these outliers even exist, it is based solely on "what you think".
I personally rest my case
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Just a Question:
If a Prefilled Cartridge is designed so it Can't be Refilled, would Regulators see a Need for the sale of Liquid e-Liquids?
I should have said "commercially sold" flavors.
As far as DIY being the future, I don't know about that.
I, for one, would rather just vape unflavored.
But my concern is about all the potential vapers who haven't joined us yet.
They are not likely to jump into DIY before they've even figured out the whole vaping thing.
And if they don't have flavors to help get them going, they may never get there.
If it is true that behavioral aspects of smoking, such as the hand to mouth thing, are integral to the dependency, then it will become quite obvious as never-smoking vapers are studied in future epidemiological studies. After all, the reason many of us vape is to continue all those behavioral habits. So the only variable changing is all the additional combusted substances in cigs vs vaporizing PG/VG and some assorted flavoring. My own curiosity wants to see the results of those studies 10 years from now, and it will probably take that long to build up a "long term usage" profile. Although 10 years is no magic number and surely interim studies could be done even now with about 5 years of history among an albeit smaller population.
You bring up the sad reasons why prohibiting flavors will doom many people to smoking into the indefinite future. Such a sad world we live in.
Really the whole thing hinges on the availability of concentrated nicotine. Which is why so many of us stockpile it. The new users, well, they will just suffer.
Since when has the perception that something isn't "needed" been justification to ban it?
When you said this, i also want to say "Welcome to sweden" ^^
We've basicly gone back to this stage, soon. (Not rly vape related but still.)
the meaning of the word drug has nothing to do
with any thing. try comparing nicotine with morphine
and let me know what you come up with.
regards
mike
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