Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 2

[AndriaD]

Here's a thing I'm wondering about. Everyone tells me that my tastes are changing, that what doesn't taste good to me now, might very well, later on when my palate is no longer abused by cigarettes, and I get that. But right now, the ones I'm finding so icky are these tobacco flavors. Granted, they might improve a great deal from steeping, but will I really be able to tolerate them, when I'm not smoking any longer? Seems odd to me, quit smoking and then learn to appreciate these tobacco e-juices.

Maybe the point is, I'll no longer be comparing them to the taste of actual cigarettes? Because in that regard, likeness to real cigarettes, they're not even close. I'm willing to take it on faith, though, if that's the case, because I'd really hate to throw away these ones I've already bought; they weren't cheap (though a lot cheaper than cigarettes!). Something in me just cringes at the thought of throwing away something I've paid good money for (even cleaning out "dead food" from the fridge makes me feel that way.). I just hate wasting anything, and it was making me feel really bad, that I bought four diff tobacco flavors, and find all of them kinda disgusting.

Thx y'all!!
Andria

 

[DancingHeretik]

My tastes changed about 9 months in.

Tobacco flavors really do improve with longer steeping. But, some eliquids just taste like ....... So, no guarentees. It wouldn't hurt to let them sit for 2 or 3 months and try them again. At that point, if you still don't like them, you can try watering them down with unflavored, adding a fruit flavor to them, or some other experiment that sounds promising.

Otherwise, you can always PIF or trade. Someone else might just love them. Anything that I don't like, I give away to a friend of my daughter. She's happy to get free juice.

 

[lulu836]

Such as...?

I've attached a YT vid on rebuilding coils for the Nautilus which I'm sure would be no problem for most of you BUT at about 6.45 minutes into the video I could begin to see just how involved it would be so I opted out. At my age that's just too much sugar for a dime.

Also the coil replacements are about $3 each ATM.

AND the tank holds too much juice.

 

[AndriaD]

My tastes changed about 9 months in.

Tobacco flavors really do improve with longer steeping. But, some eliquids just taste like ....... So, no guarentees. It wouldn't hurt to let them sit for 2 or 3 months and try them again. At that point, if you still don't like them, you can try watering them down with unflavored, adding a fruit flavor to them, or some other experiment that sounds promising.

Otherwise, you can always PIF or trade. Someone else might just love them. Anything that I don't like, I give away to a friend of my daughter. She's happy to get free juice.

Ok, that sounds fine -- but I'm new to all this terminology, so -- what is "PIF"? I've seen it round here before, but still don't get that one.

No problem with watering them down, they're all too nicotine-strong for me; one is 18mg, the others 12mg, and they all gave me unmistakable symptoms of nic OD; probably because I smoke ultra-lights (6mg, for the last 20 yrs!), and have already reduced my actual smoking to a half-pk a day. Someone gave me a link to some USP-food grade PG at Amazon, for $3.95/pint, so I already had that plan in mind just to reduce the nicotine. So maybe I'll wait on that for a while, try some diff flavors in 6mg strength, and see if I can't start vaping regularly, so I can keep reducing my cigarettes, get to a point where I can just leave them alone and vape instead. The 18mg one is "oak barrel cider," a distinct apple taste, so that one might become quite tolerable, after steeping, reducing the nicotine level, and getting my tastebuds back on track.

Thx!!
Andria

 

[bsoplinger]

PIF = pass/pay it forward

My tastes changed about 9 months in also. I find that I like what I think of as reminiscent of tobacco flavors for those times I'd conditioned myself to lighting up. First thing in the morning, after eating, when taking a break after having been intently doing something. I call them reminiscent of tobacco because they aren't tobacco tasting as in that elusive "it's gotta taste like my Marlboros" taste almost all new vapors look for, but instead they invoke, via taste, those good things that first puff after a good meal brought, or that now I'm awake/aware the first puff in the morning or when taking a break brought.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Xparent Purple Tapatalk 2

 

[Iffy]

-- what is "PIF"?

Pay It Forward - Giving joose and/or equipment you don't like/use to someone

 

[DavidOck]

I think PIF also applies to what a lot of us here do - share the experiences we've had on the journey, so others don't (necessarily!) have to make the same mistakes

And some of the juice vendors have unflavored PG, VG and blends, available in your choice of nic, all the way to zero nic, good for cutting. Although serious cutting of the nic will tend to also cut the flavor. I'm not a flavor diy person (yet?), but like to get my juice in twice my normal nic level, with an extra flavor shot, then cut it in half with my PG/VG ratio of 0 nic.

 

[williegntx]

Has anyone read this?

Nicotine and Health

It looks interesting but I have to print it out first (reading that much on the computer gets too much for the eyes, lol)...

Very interesting, I just read the report (18 pages in large print). It's amazing and they point it out that too many people including Physicians think that it is the nicotine that is responsible for the carcinogens in tobacco cigarettes, but it is the tar from the smoke. Most of us know this already and have know it for quite some time. It still amazes me, when I talk with friends or casual acquaintances they believe it is the nicotine that is the problem. The sad thing is they have heard it is the nicotine for so long and from so many different sources that they'll look at you like your crazy or in denial when you tell them it's not the nicotine...some peoples children.

We're all aware of the money thing with BP and BT and Government taxes. It's increasingly irritating that many of the politicians and politically appointed officials, who have never smoked or been addicted to nicotine, (nor do they bother to get the latest information) are so bent on banning electronic cigarettes. I really hate associating vaping with the words 'electronic cigarettes' when in actuality they are nothing like a cigarette other than looks and nicotine delivery...I think it may cause them to associate vaping to the actual cigarette and in turn cause them to view vaping negatively. Of course there is also the association that helps smokers that are looking to exit the cigarette habit that may be a psychological benefit for them, so it's a mixed bag.

The report is a very worthwhile read. and thanks for posting the link!

 

[MissMcVayp]

It's a pretty long document so , although I do want to read it, it's going to have to be in increments. Looks pretty thorough. Thanks.

The credit goes to Vapor Chef, lol... I'm just passing it on from their Facebook

 

[MissMcVayp]

Here's a thing I'm wondering about. Everyone tells me that my tastes are changing, that what doesn't taste good to me now, might very well, later on when my palate is no longer abused by cigarettes, and I get that. But right now, the ones I'm finding so icky are these tobacco flavors. Granted, they might improve a great deal from steeping, but will I really be able to tolerate them, when I'm not smoking any longer? Seems odd to me, quit smoking and then learn to appreciate these tobacco e-juices.

Maybe the point is, I'll no longer be comparing them to the taste of actual cigarettes? Because in that regard, likeness to real cigarettes, they're not even close. I'm willing to take it on faith, though, if that's the case, because I'd really hate to throw away these ones I've already bought; they weren't cheap (though a lot cheaper than cigarettes!). Something in me just cringes at the thought of throwing away something I've paid good money for (even cleaning out "dead food" from the fridge makes me feel that way.). I just hate wasting anything, and it was making me feel really bad, that I bought four diff tobacco flavors, and find all of them kinda disgusting.

Thx y'all!!
Andria

For the heck of it a few weeks ago I tried to smoke a ciggy and it made me sick as hell after 2 puffs, lol. I can't stand the taste of any ejuice that tastes like cigarette tobacco except one (which technically is pipe tobacco, lol) which is a sassafras pipe tobacco with a touch of vanilla. But anyway, I can't imagine getting into regular tobacco flavours although some do enjoy them. At first I needed to have the seller add double falvour shots to everything because I couldn't taste anything and I only vaped very heavy super-sweet stuff. Now I can taste things a lot more and am vapeing all sorts of new flavours without the extra shots in them. I've a couple people on a budget who are trying to get into vaping and I give them all the cartos, batteries and juices that I personally didn't get on well with. I just tell them that if they end up not vaping to please pass everything on to another person who wants to try it....

 

[AndriaD]

I really hate associating vaping with the words 'electronic cigarettes' when in actuality they are nothing like a cigarette other than looks and nicotine delivery...I think it may cause them to associate vaping to the actual cigarette and in turn cause them to view vaping negatively. Of course there is also the association that helps smokers that are looking to exit the cigarette habit that may be a psychological benefit for them, so it's a mixed bag.

This is something I have been pondering on all week, just getting started as I am... the thing that can really help us addicted smokers, the similarity (my eRoll, though silver-toned, is very much a "cig-alike" which is why I chose that one!)... is the thing that the idiot prohibitionists get so cranked up over, and the thing that might cause vapers so many problems with those idiots... that because it SOMEWHAT RESEMBLES smoking, they think it is the same thing, and just as dangerous.

I've known for many years that the vast majority of people, even our lawmakers (maybe especially them -- who would want their job, anyway???), are as stupid as the day is long... but this time, it really could be harmful, for all of us who've despaired of getting off cigarettes, but now finally have a chance. But how do you fix stupid? I've despaired of that for many years, too. Yes, we can educate those who are merely ignorant of the facts, though with some folks, ignorance is a willful choice... but as that comic has stated so truthfully... you can't fix stupid!

Andria

 

[williegntx]

I couldn't agree with you more! You can't fix stupid...
Congratulations on taking the initial steps to get off the stinkies.
As you already know there is a lot of helpful folks sittin' on the porch waitin' to help others along the way. This is a great group here, as long as I've been associated with vaping there is always something new and more questions that I have from time to time, but more importantly...someone will have the answer even when there may be more than one solutions to an individual issue.
You have found the right place for good honest advise and assistance.

There are more and more websites everyday selling e-juice and supplies. Best to investigate and see which fit your taste and budget best. I'm a fan of Mt Baker Vapor...some folks maybe not. They have been very reliable, fast shipping and reasonably priced. My favorite juices from them are Butter Pecan, Butterscotch and Vanilla Butternut Your flavor preference may vary. If (like someone else said) you have a local B&M to go to that has a flavor bar you may find some of their juices there to try and maybe decide on a flavor preference that will put you miles ahead of the game. I like the local B&M ad buy from them on occasion, but do find that online prices fit my budget better.

Take a look around Mt Baker, they have lots of stuff. Check out their DIY Supplies and DIY Flavorings, it'll help you save some money...not only MBV but other sites too.

This is something I have been pondering on all week, just getting started as I am... the thing that can really help us addicted smokers, the similarity (my eRoll, though silver-toned, is very much a "cig-alike" which is why I chose that one!)... is the thing that the idiot prohibitionists get so cranked up over, and the thing that might cause vapers so many problems with those idiots... that because it SOMEWHAT RESEMBLES smoking, they think it is the same thing, and just as dangerous.

I've known for many years that the vast majority of people, even our lawmakers (maybe especially them -- who would want their job, anyway???), are as stupid as the day is long... but this time, it really could be harmful, for all of us who've despaired of getting off cigarettes, but now finally have a chance. But how do you fix stupid? I've despaired of that for many years, too. Yes, we can educate those who are merely ignorant of the facts, though with some folks, ignorance is a willful choice... but as that comic has stated so truthfully... you can't fix stupid!

Andria

 

[williegntx]

The credit goes to Vapor Chef, lol... I'm just passing it on from their Facebook

Well, you get the credit here! and thanks!

 

[Ken_A]

Has anyone read this?

Nicotine and Health

It looks interesting but I have to print it out first (reading that much on the computer gets too much for the eyes, lol)...

Well. The summary starts on page 9.... But it seems to be a good article.

Here's a thing I'm wondering about. Everyone tells me that my tastes are changing, that what doesn't taste good to me now, might very well, later on when my palate is no longer abused by cigarettes, and I get that. But right now, the ones I'm finding so icky are these tobacco flavors. Granted, they might improve a great deal from steeping, but will I really be able to tolerate them, when I'm not smoking any longer? Seems odd to me, quit smoking and then learn to appreciate these tobacco e-juices.

Maybe the point is, I'll no longer be comparing them to the taste of actual cigarettes? Because in that regard, likeness to real cigarettes, they're not even close. I'm willing to take it on faith, though, if that's the case, because I'd really hate to throw away these ones I've already bought; they weren't cheap (though a lot cheaper than cigarettes!). Something in me just cringes at the thought of throwing away something I've paid good money for (even cleaning out "dead food" from the fridge makes me feel that way.). I just hate wasting anything, and it was making me feel really bad, that I bought four diff tobacco flavors, and find all of them kinda disgusting.

Thx y'all!!
Andria

well. It's possible to start to like the tobacco flavors. I personally got to the point I do not like them. I would guess it can go the other way too!

 

[williegntx]

Yes, like you I don't care for the tobacco flavors any more either and haven't found any DIY flavors to lean me in the direction of trying to improve them either. On the other hand, my DIY creativity is limited. I did start out with tobacco flavors, but never found anything EXACTLY like tobacco. Fortunately, for me, there were enough flavor options to move me forward...now there's no looking back

Well. The summary starts on page 9.... But it seems to be a good article.
well. It's possible to start to like the tobacco flavors. I personally got to the point I do not like them. I would guess it can go the other way too!

 

[AndriaD]

Well. The summary starts on page 9.... But it seems to be a good article.
well. It's possible to start to like the tobacco flavors. I personally got to the point I do not like them. I would guess it can go the other way too!

Yeah, whoever it was who said that the tobacco flavors come in handy for those moments when you REALLY WANT A CIGARETTE! but are determined not to have one -- once you no longer compare those flavors with a recent taste of a real cigarette, yeah, I can really see that. It's kinda weird, I've already broken a lot of those kinds of habits, because of starting to always go outdoors to smoke, but that after-meal smoke... that will almost certainly be my own hardest one to get over. But I know it can be done; I got sober 21+ yrs ago, by drinking V8 juice, ice cold -- it compensated me somehow, by not being sweet like soda or juice or tea with sugar; cutting that sugar film in my mouth was one of my biggest reasons (so I told myself back then!) for enjoying the taste of beer. It took a while to get comfortable with being a non-drinker, but it's really pretty much a non-issue nowadays -- though I confess, those beer commercials on sunday football afternoons, well I have to just leave the room. I imagine it will feel much like that, after I've quit, when I see/smell someone else with a real smoker, but knowing me, I'll probably run right over and ask if they know about the benefits of e-cigarettes. Seriously, of the folks I know who still smoke (and there really aren't many), I don't know a single one who wouldn't be happy to quit, if they just COULD!


Andria

 

[ncpatches]

Geeez! Gone a couple weeks and we get a new porch!!

How's everyone?? Been reading the last few pages and it's good to know that I might still have a ways to go before I can taste anything. Obviously a few of you went several months before the 'buds' woke up. Only 2 months for me, so I'm still in the 'I can't taste anything' mode. Making my juice has helped, I can make it as strong as I need it.

Funny, talking about tobacco flavors, I smoked menthol ultra lights forever, because I didn't like the taste of tobacco to start with, the menthol covered it up. Now my ADV is 555. It doesn't taste like tobacco to me, but just a nutty flavor. I have several other, non tobacco, flavors I rotate with, but that's the one I go thru the most of, about 30ml a week.

Have a question and would rather hear from ya'll than ask on one of the other boards, just because I think maturity is a good thing.

I have several eGo type batts that I use. I like them, the size and weight works for me. But I don't like that they don't keep a charge as long as they 'supposedly' should. Yeah yeah, they are knockoffs. But at 1/3 the price, I don't see it makes any difference except to be a PITA that they have to be charged more often. I just have more of them.

So, because of that reason and the possibility that I may not be able to get more in 6 months/a year, whatever, I've decided to order a couple mod clones that I can replace the batteries in, since 'they' can't very well outlaw batteries. As I understand it, the higher mah, replaceable batteries last longer. Here's the question (finally! ) Would I be better off to buy the batteries in the States, even if I get the clones from FT? I'm reading that I shouldn't trust the batteries from China.

Oh and yes, I am a chain vaper! Which is why the batteries don't last for me.

Plan to order after March 1st, so if anyone has any opinions or suggestions on what I might get, let me know, I know nothing about mods.

Deb - NCPatches

 

[3mg Meniere]

I bought my Vamo from Fastech. Very little isn't made in China. I have read that no one recommends batteries with "-fire-" in the name. They are not safe. My first batteries are 18650 3.7V 3400mAh, panasonic rebranded, purchased through Amazon. I have since discovered that they are not high-drain batteries, therefore the huge mAh rating is not used, and I would have been better off buying from a vape vendor. My charger was purchased from a vape vendor. I probably should have just ordered the whole kit from Fastech. If you can afford it, buy from an American vendor-- if you are on a tight budget, order from Fastech.

It is a moral issue rather than a quality issue, since nearly everything comes from China anyway. If you find something made elsewhere and want it and the price is right, go for it.

 

[DavidOck]

I'm sure more will chime in - but get your batteries from a reputable US vendor. RTD is where I got mine.

As far as the tube mod itself, as long as you're comfortable with the wait, FT is fine. And you might want to hold off on the batteries until you decide on the mod. Some only work with button top, some with flat top. Be a bummer to get the wrong batteries!

 

[ncpatches]

I bought my Vamo from Fastech. Very little isn't made in China. I have read that no one recommends batteries with "-fire-" in the name. They are not safe. My first batteries are 18650 3.7V 3400mAh, panasonic rebranded, purchased through Amazon. I have since discovered that they are not high-drain batteries, therefore the huge mAh rating is not used, and I would have been better off buying from a vape vendor. My charger was purchased from a vape vendor. I probably should have just ordered the whole kit from Fastech. If you can afford it, buy from an American vendor-- if you are on a tight budget, order from Fastech.

It is a moral issue rather than a quality issue, since nearly everything comes from China anyway. If you find something made elsewhere and want it and the price is right, go for it.

Thank you! As much as I would like to buy EVERYTHING made in the USA, I'm on disability and just getting by. I haven't spent more than smoking, been about even, but only because I had to use serious restraint! For now, if I don't spend more than what I used to, I'll break even. I feel I'm done until I decide to go to mods. If I thought I'd always have access to the eGo's I'd continue to use them. I actually like them because of the size and weight.

I'm hoping to find something that isn't overly huge or heavy. Anything you think might work for me?

With the batteries, I understand there are issues trying to get them out of China? Can't be too bad, they are always out of stock.

I'm guessing I DO need high drain batteries for a mod, from what you said? See? I didn't know that. Like I said, I know nothing about mods or the batts for them.