Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 2

[Wolfenstark]

Whoa ... first off, what strength of nicotine do you use ??
What % of PG/ VG do you generally order in your juice ??
If we knew a little more about your preferences, we could narrow down the info we need to throw at cha
And BTW, ... never make a 30ml recipe until you have tried it in a small 2-3ml "test" batch.
.

I have been helping a family member in the transition to vaping and as I gather with most people at first they go for high nic the 2.4%.
So I have been buying at that strength. I have some we have yet to try at 1.8%.
The pg I've been getting depends on the company but usually around 70g 30vg. Some juice untried is 50/50.
One companies liquids we like doesn't say but searches suggest they're around 60g 40vg.
So after all that well I'm still in the experimental stage of liquids.

 

[PapaSloth]

I have been helping a family member in the transition to vaping and as I gather with most people at first they go for high nic the 2.4%.
So I have been buying at that strength. I have some we have yet to try at 1.8%.
The pg I've been getting depends on the company but usually around 70g 30vg. Some juice untried is 50/50.
One companies liquids we like doesn't say but searches suggest they're around 60g 40vg.
So after all that well I'm still in the experimental stage of liquids.

Hi Wolfenstark,

When you get the Kayfun built and running, you might find you want to lower your nic a little. You'll probably get more powerful hits than you're used to. You should also definitely try some of your other juices to see whether you prefer more VG or more PG. PG gives a stronger throat hit and carries flavor better. VG is "smoother" and produces bigger clouds of vapor, but doesn't carry flavor as well, and is also thicker, so it's trickier to get the juice to wick properly. You can get your nic base mixed with either straight VG, straight PG, or a blend (usually 50-50 PG/VG). Unless you're trying to maximize your VG (which is what I do, because I don't like the throat hit from PG), you can pretty much make any of them work. I'd say since you already have a lot of premixed liquids, you have plenty of time to decide what flavors and blends you like.

 

[Wolfenstark]

Hi Wolfenstark,

When you get the Kayfun built and running, you might find you want to lower your nic a little. You'll probably get more powerful hits than you're used to. You should also definitely try some of your other juices to see whether you prefer more VG or more PG. PG gives a stronger throat hit and carries flavor better. VG is "smoother" and produces bigger clouds of vapor, but doesn't carry flavor as well, and is also thicker, so it's trickier to get the juice to wick properly. You can get your nic base mixed with either straight VG, straight PG, or a blend (usually 50-50 PG/VG). Unless you're trying to maximize your VG (which is what I do, because I don't like the throat hit from PG), you can pretty much make any of them work. I'd say since you already have a lot of premixed liquids, you have plenty of time to decide what flavors and blends you like.

Hi PapaSloth , yes haven't even got the kayfun yet and I'm looking into diy liquids ha . Though just looking.
probably simple once you get the hang of it or at least easier than at the start.
Trying to figure out if for an example i was chasing 30ml liquid at say 1.8% nic and 60g/40vg and i start with 100mg nic pg base and want 5% flavour.
Although some stores are saying our flavour is stronger so use less , ok less than what amount ?
So I would also buy some vg to add it ?
looking here just one that came up in a search Cloud 9 Vaping e-liquid Mixing Calculator
Thinking where it says extra diluent i would put the % of say vg my nic liquid was pg based.

 

[bigbells]

Hi PapaSloth , yes haven't even got the kayfun yet and I'm looking into diy liquids ha . Though just looking.
probably simple once you get the hang of it or at least easier than at the start.
Trying to figure out if for an example i was chasing 30ml liquid at say 1.8% nic and 60g/40vg and i start with 100mg nic pg base and want 5% flavour.
Although some stores are saying our flavour is stronger so use less , ok less than what amount ?
So I would also buy some vg to add it ?
looking here just one that came up in a search Cloud 9 Vaping e-liquid Mixing Calculator
Thinking where it says extra diluent i would put the % of say vg my nic liquid was pg based.

I'll try to do my best Papa Sloth impersonation until he shows up.

I suggest that you tell us the exact name, and the manufacturer, of the specific flavor you want to use first. I think you said that The Flavor Apprentice is the manufacturer of the flavors you have now? (The Flavor Apprentice is also known as The Perfumer's Apprentice. TFA= TPA.) There is a long list that someone put together with his recommendation of flavoring percentage for each one of the Flavor Apprentice flavorings. The recommended percentages vary from less than 1% (for TFA Tobacco Absolute, Caramel Cappuccino and Kona Coffee) to 20% (for Milk Chocolate and several other flavors.)

The list I mention above is available on this Forum somewhere but I can't find it. I downloaded it and have it saved on my computer but the Forum software doesn't allow the attachment of pdf files to the best of my knowledge. I'm not willing to upload the list to my own website because I don't know who to credit for the list, and also because the author's explanations that precede the list itself are poorly written and don't make sense. The list itself is very useful and thorough.

So, if you tell us what specific flavor you want to use, I'll look it up on the list and tell you what the recommended percentage is, or someone who has used the flavor can tell you what percentage they use for that flavor.

You will not be able to reach a 60%PG/40%VG ratio if VG is your only available diluent. That's because when you add enough VG to reduce your 100mg/ml (which is the same as 10.0%) nicotine juice to 18mg/ml (1.8%) level, it's going to have much more VG in it than PG. For example: DIY juice that has 1.8% nicotine level and that is made from:

100mg/ml PG-based nicotine,
10% PG-based flavoring,
and VG,

will have a 74%VG/26%PG ratio (rounded to nearest percentage point. Actual is 73.8%VG/26.2%PG.)

The solution is to either get some PG in addition to your VG, or to go ahead and make a juice with VG as the only diluent, resulting in a high VG percentage. Since I'm impersonating Papa Sloth at the moment, I'd say go ahead and make that high-VG juice!

I hope that's been helpful.

When I'm not impersonating Papa Sloth, my personal preference is for a high PG percentage. I mix my juice using 65% to 80% PG.

 

[AllPepperS]

I know DIY isn't rocket science but when you read it, it could be and my pea brain seizes. :face palm: I take notes to what "seems" simple and read it and well, ahh I'll get there. I think I saw over at NudeNic you can get a pre made 70VG30PG. Maybe I should start there. I know someone is going to say something that will make it all click at some point. The ah ha moment will come. I am currently wading through a 200+ page thread trying to sort it.

I was wandering around last night and see there is a new Aspire Nautilus V2 coming out first part of Nov, takes another different coil and the BVC doesn't fit it This was over at Kidney Puncher on the preorder page. I was just looking, honest.


welcome new folks! glad to have you on the sometimes wild and informative Front Porch where you will find an accumulation of the best info condensed from actual experience.

 

[DavidOck]

Woof.... gone for less than a day, and two days catching up!

Yup, multi-quote ran to 6 pages, so.....

Welcome to all the new porchers! Happy to have you. As said, DO be cautious when Iffy offers you a rocker - check the cushions!

And just where did you find that pic of my cat?? And what did you do with his vape?? Is that the latest Nautilus with the single vertical cheese head? (Which should sell well in Green Bay...)

 

[3mg Meniere]

And just where did you find that pic of my cat?? And what did you do with his vape?? Is that the latest Nautilus with the single vertical cheese head? (Which should sell well in Green Bay...)

Maybe I could add one to my package #2 to get it sold locally?

 

[Kenna]

I get a flu shot every year from my rheumatologist. He does not, however, want me getting one for shingles, or pneumonia. The flu strains mutate fromyear to year, & different strains are more prevalent in different years, all mutated.


From an intellegent, educated, & savy Right Winger , not denying science, but a bit tired of the misleading spew.

 

[MattB101]

Wolfenstark,
If you have an Android phone this is the calculator I use - Advanced E-Liquid Calculator, Full Edition by Mathias. I like it (obviously) and save my recipes after trying them. They have a "lite" version that's free if you want to try it out. Just can't save recipes in the lite version. I think it was like $4 to purchase the full version.

This fine print is a not so subtle reminder to always read the fine print before signing anything.

 

[Iffy]

... there is a new Aspire Nautilus V2 coming out first part of Nov, takes another different coil and the BVC doesn't fit it.

Saw dat...

And what did you do with his vape??

Cats have to eat too!

 

[PapaSloth]

Hi PapaSloth , yes haven't even got the kayfun yet and I'm looking into diy liquids ha . Though just looking.
probably simple once you get the hang of it or at least easier than at the start.
Trying to figure out if for an example i was chasing 30ml liquid at say 1.8% nic and 60g/40vg and i start with 100mg nic pg base and want 5% flavour.
Although some stores are saying our flavour is stronger so use less , ok less than what amount ?
So I would also buy some vg to add it ?
looking here just one that came up in a search Cloud 9 Vaping e-liquid Mixing Calculator
Thinking where it says extra diluent i would put the % of say vg my nic liquid was pg based.

Hi Wolfenstark,

There are already some good answers to your question, so I'll just chime in with how I would figure it out. Imagine you were making 100ml instead of 30ml. If you do the math for 100ml, it's easier, and then you can just multiply the amounts by 30/100 (.3) to make 30ml instead of 100ml.

With 100mg/ml nic, if you want 18mg/ml, you want 18ml of your nic solution in the 100ml.
That 18ml of nic solution will be mostly PG, so also count that as 18ml of PG.
You want 5% flavor, so that's 5ml of flavor. That's a little weak for most of the flavors I've bought, which tend to run from 7%-20%.
If the flavor was mostly PG, you would also count that as 5ml of PG, bringing the total PG up to 23ml (18+5).
If the flavor was mostly VG, you would count that as 5ml of VG.
If the flavor was mostly alcohol, water, or you had no idea, just ignore it in the totals for VG or PG. Your numbers will be a little off, but not enough to matter.
Assuming the flavor was PG based, since a lot of them are, you now have 23ml PG and want to end up with 60ml PG and 40ml VG. So, add 37ml of PG (37+23 is 60) and 40ml VG.

Done! You have 5% flavor, 18mg/ml nic, with 60% PG and 40%VG. The recipe for 100ml is:
18ml of 100mg/ml nic in PG base
5ml of flavor in PG base
37ml PG
40ml VG

Now, to only make 30ml instead of 100ml, just multiply the above by 30ml/100ml (.3):
5.4ml of 100mg/ml nic in PG base
1.5ml of flavor in PG base
11.1ml PG
12ml VG

Personally, I would simplify this a little bit as:
5.5ml of 100mg/ml nic in PG base
1.5ml of flavor in PG base
11ml PG
12ml VG

This will give you 18.333mg/ml nic instead of 18mg/ml, which is a very small difference, but the numbers are easier to work with and measure.

 

[Wolfenstark]

I was wandering around last night and see there is a new Aspire Nautilus V2 coming out first part of Nov, takes another different coil and the BVC doesn't fit it This was over at Kidney Puncher on the preorder page. I was just looking, honest.
.

I saw the new bvc's for that and I think they are sub ohm builds

 

[PapaSloth]

Also, here's the recipe for 10% flavor, because I think that's a good starting point for most TFA flavors:

For 100ml batch:
18ml of 100mg/ml nic in PG base
10ml of flavor in PG base
32ml PG
40ml VG

For 30ml batch:
5.4ml of 100mg/ml nic in PG base
3ml of flavor in PG base
9.6ml PG
12ml VG

 

[PapaSloth]

One more. Here's the base recipe for 10% flavor, using a VG based flavor instead of a PG based flavor. Here, instead of adding the flavor to our PG total, we add it to the VG total:

For 100ml batch:
18ml of 100mg/ml nic in PG base
10ml of flavor in VG base
42ml PG
30ml VG

For 30ml batch:
5.4ml of 100mg/ml nic in PG base
3ml of flavor in VG base
12.6ml PG
9ml VG

 

[PapaSloth]

Just to finish off, here's the base recipe I use for most of my larger batches. I have VG based nic, and am around 14mg/ml right now, and am shooting for as close to 100% VG as possible, so I end up with:

For 100ml batch:
14ml of 100mg/ml nic in VG base
10ml of flavor
76ml of VG

For 30ml batch:
4.2ml of 100mg/ml nic in VG base
3ml of flavor
22.8ml of VG

 

[Wolfenstark]

Hi PapaSloth
Thanks.
Thanks big bells , MattB101

 

[Wolfenstark]

Does natural flavour vs artificial flavour vs ethyl alcohol matter ?

 

[Kenna]

Is there a link for that new Nautilus info?

 

[PapaSloth]

Does natural flavour vs artificial flavour vs ethyl alcohol matter ?

Ethyl alcohol, you'll want to give it a really good shake after its mixed, and then let it sit overnight with the cap off to let the alcohol evaporate. Some people put the bottle in a hot water bath, or an ultrasonic cleaner with hot water, or zap it in the microwave for 10 seconds to speed the process. I just leave the top off overnight.

Natural vs. artificial, I don't care about. I care about whether I like the taste or not. I prefer some natural flavors and some artificial flavors. YMMV.

 

[Wolfenstark]

Sorry i came across it by accident.
The person put up a link but can't recall what thread i was in.
remember noticing the coils were less than 1ohm