Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 5

[garyoa1]

Typical politiks. When u want 5 bucks, ask for a hundred. Mebbe you'll get more than 5. I still don't get how they can tax a tax.

 

[Bolivar]

It's too big and ripe of a low hanging fruit for merely normal sales tax. It needs special $in taxe$.

Politicians dream of these kind of situations.

 

[garyoa1]

It's too big and ripe of a low hanging fruit for merely normal sales tax. It needs special $in taxe$.

Politicians dream of these kind of situations.

Yabutt u kant have both. Sin tax OR sales tax. Seems they want both.

 

[Bolivar]

Does Pennsylvania have any harbors ? It worked pretty good in Boston...

 

[FlamingoTutu]

This stuck a chord with me. My introduction to vaping happened when I needed neck surgery about 8 years ago. It was a big deal. The vertebrae in my neck were falling apart and it was starting to effect my spinal chord. The prognosis down the road was pretty ghastly. The surgery would provide a complete cure if I had it right away, which is what actually happened. I had to quit for at least 2 months before the surgery and 3 months afterwards, the doc said he wouldn't do the surgery unless I promised to abide by that.

The only vaping options back then were cigalikes from a mall kiosk. They were pretty feeble as a quitting aid. They did take the edge off a little. I showed the doc my cigalike when I went in for the pre surgery checkup and he was fine with that. He actually pulled a cigalike out of his pocket and smiled. I managed to meet the 5 month requirement but then I went back to smoking.

The particular problem with spinal surgery is that smoking reduces the blood supply to the spine, more so than to other parts of the body. And the culprit isn't the nicotine. According to my surgeon it is the CO. So vaping isn't a problem and the nic level wasn't relevant. That may not be the case with your friend. Another thing to bear in mind is that the level of knowledge on this subject is limited, even among doctors. The spinal surgery effect is simple, they can see that smokers have a much lower success rate from the surgery than non-smokers. And quitting for a short period before and after makes this effect mostly go away. But I'm not convinced that they know exactly what the mechanism is, like CO versus nicotine for example.

If your friend's surgery is something different then I have no idea. I'm just saying don't accept what the doctor says as necessarily accurate. And don't assume that getting the nic level down is critical. I have to guess, unless you have very good information to the contrary, that getting off the cigs is taking you at least most of the way to where you want to be, and if keeping the nic level up is necessary to quitting you are still way ahead. Assuming that a low nic level is an absolute requirement might be setting him up for failure on what really matters.

One thing that kept me going for 5 months, apart from fear, was knowing it didn't have to be permanent. I consoled myself with the thought that I would be able to start smoking again later. Depending on your friend's specific situation that might be good psychological support, like it was for me. If it's a lung or heart problem then this might not be good thinking though.

One more thought. If your friend is only smoking a few cigs a day maybe patches and gum would do the job.

Again, an excellent post. I am so happy for you that the surgery went well. That must have been terrifying.

The reason they won't do the surgery if he's smoking is due to critical need for good circulation at the wound (reconnection) site.

Your post has been printed out and will be given to him. Think it will ring some bells and be beneficial to him. Would be for me if I was in his situation. Thank you.

I wholeheartedly agree about many doctors being ignorant about vaping.

Pretty sure he's tried the gum, patches, etc. He's been trying to quit for at least 25 years and hasn't been able to. Heck, his doctors are amazed he didn't die and yet he's smoking again.

Well... I think most people miss the real problem. While nic is supposedly highly addictive... I think more so is the wut the hell do yoo dew wit yer handz!!!!

Never thought about it until coming to ECF but the #1 thing I liked was the sensation of the inhale. #2 was seeing the "smoke" exhaled. I know, I'm weird.

Well those Special Edition ML Class are out and on the way.

Congrats!

I was thinking this same thing the other day, that the nic might not be the issue, but didn't mention it because of what you said, that so many docs still either don't know what vaping is, or have swallowed the whole "it's at least as bad as cigs, or worse" line.

Jup, don't think it's the nic nearly as much as it is the burning material and chemicals. Having heart problems may be another matter altogether.

A couple Spinners and a Davide will be a great little starter kit! 1000X better than what I started with. That you have it on hand is even better!

To be clear, I wasn't trying to suggest any of the complex new devices, just a simple sub-ohm setup to allow for lower starting nic percentages. Something similar to the Joye eGo AIO kits. Simple, one button, fill and vape kinda thing, but it has the power to safely run a 0.6Ω coil. These are actually cheap enough that I'd like to pick up a couple as spares, hand-outs, and/or backup/vapocalypse gear.

Glad hubby was home!! But yes, your logic sounds very good. Start him around 10mg, and adjust to his needs from there. Huge Hugs to you for doing all that you are to try to help him!!!

Hope you were able to get some much needed rest!

Great news about the fire not spreading too close to you and that no homes were lost!! Hate that all the wildlife habitat was lost, though.

Not familiar with the sub-ohm things so not comfortable giving such a setup to him. Spinners I can handle. We/he can can explore more after surgery/rehab if he takes to vaping, or sooner if need be. Hopefully I'll be back for suggestions in a couple of months. We may have over a 60% tax to deal with soon so he better get with it.

And no, I didn't think you were trying to promote something difficult, just, again, something that was over my head. Regardless, I did appreciate your response.

Tax Increase Begins This Weekend on Vaping Products

Explains all the sales emails I got this week. Wondered what was going on.

@FlamingoTutu - I'm a little late to the "party", but I was smoking PAD menthol ultra lights/menthol lights. I couldn't get above 12, even on TP equipment when I first started, so you're probably in a good ballpark. I pray that *HE* gets it into *HIS* head that this can work.

I have flavors, devices, toppers, whatever - I'll even overnight it to you if you think it might help.... Do you have even any mints or menthols? I've mixed up a very lightly-flavored spearmint for stealthing at work (mixed about 1-2%). If anyone smells anything, "I'm chewing a mint" It's actually quite delightful, and keeps me from going postal during the day.

Dinger, thank you, that's so generous and thoughtful. I don't have any mint or menthol, never appealed to me. I did try menthols once to quit smoking because I dislike them so much. Eventually I got used to them so just went back to my old brand of cigs. My friend never smoked menthols either as far as I know. I did think vaping vanilla cupcake was downright stupid, until I tried it and was instantly hooked. Not going postal at work is also a good thing.

I think we're good for right now. At least to start off with. Surgery has to do with the digestive track and don't want to through a lot of strange things in the mix. I really, really do appreciat your offer though and who knows, mint may turn out to his thing on down the road.

Well I'm starting on my flavors. Yikes

Nice stockpile!

It was only "passed" by the house finance committee. It still needs to be passed by the full house and then sent to the senate.

Hope it goes all the way!

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Just my suggestions:
- start 'round 12mg if tootlepuffing setup, can adjust up/down from there; six weeks is a relatively generous period if he takes to vaping*
- higher PG% for 'throat hit' and 'lung fill' sensations
- maybe try unflavored first, remember that most of us were disappointed when joose didn't 'taste' like 'bakky, no need for PSS, and especially no dry hits
- at first, don't let him take fully inhaled vaping hits; coughing fits do not promote vaping



Absolutely!


*Took a buddy from 1.5 PAD down to 0 nic in 'bout two weeks; ergo my 'relatively generous period' comment. Granted, he was duly/truly motivated due to a shoulder replacement. Alas, post surgery, he vaped at 9mg for a couple of weeks before resuming da 'bakky.

Your quote didn't "stick," or I goofed.

"- at first, don't let him take fully inhaled vaping hits; coughing fits do not promote vaping" I was going to warn him about that, half hits is a good point though.

My plan now, after reading everything, is to give him a bottle of 10mg/ml blackberry mildly flavored and a bottle of the same unflavored, plus a bottle of unflavored 0 nic. All will be 80/20 PG/VG.

I know you've tried to help a bunch of people only to have them revert. I've taken your experiences, and those of several others, to heart in this situation. I'll give him the stuff, have him assemble the parts, prime/insert the coil and ful the tank. I'll show him how to charge them properly, explain that it's not a nic rush like smoking, explain the dehydration thing and ask him how much he wants to live to see his granddaughter grow up. He has my number on speed dial and essentially lives across the street. We're both home all day. The ball wil be fully in his court, all I have to do is keep making the juice to order.

Oh, and I will make sure he understands that being unable to quit was NOT his fault, BT stacked the deck against us all. And I'll tell him about ECF, naturally.

 

[MikeE3]

[QUOTE="FlamingoTutu, post: 18622677, member:

Never thought about it until coming to ECF but the #1 thing I liked was the sensation of the inhale. #2 was seeing the "smoke" exhaled. I know, I'm weird.
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Not so weird ... Me too. I rank those two attributes above flavor.

Dang, my quote didn't show up. I was responding to flamingo about TH & exhaust.

 

[SteveS45]

Good Morning porch dwellers! Having coffee and some Tobacco vape before I try to squeeze cutting of the lawn in before it rains or as they say showers.

 

[Bea-FL]

Never thought about it until coming to ECF but the #1 thing I liked was the sensation of the inhale. #2 was seeing the "smoke" exhaled. I know, I'm weird.

Not so weird ... Me too. I rank those two attributes above flavor.

Not weird at all…Same here.

 

[Debadoo]

Tax Increase Begins This Weekend on Vaping Products

Boo Hiss!!!

Nope ... It has not been repealed. A new 5 cents/ml juice tax just left a committee to replace it. Don't know if it has a chance of making it.

does this bill do only add tax for juice or is the tax on equipment still the 40%?

This is what I saw before.

Pa house committee votes to repeal vape shop 40% inventory tax

Great first step.....hope it goes all the way ..... quickly!!!

Never thought about it until coming to ECF but the #1 thing I liked was the sensation of the inhale. #2 was seeing the "smoke" exhaled. I know, I'm weird.

wuz gonna say then I'm weird too......but we all know that can't be In the VTF (vapor, TH, flavor) preferences so many folks chose vapor as #1 For me it was always trying to get enough TH that I got with smoking. Actually chest hit. I always did like watching the swirls of smoke, and now vapor. but as long as I exhale about as much as I did when smoking I'm good. Could never be a cloud chaser. It doesn't swirl quite as pretty as smoke.....but it's still nice to watch.

We may have over a 60% tax to deal with soon so he better get with it.

I sure hope not! That's crazy! Then again, you do live in CA Crazy is the norm when it comes to y'alls govt.

I'll show him how to charge them properly, explain that it's not a nic rush like smoking, explain the dehydration thing and ask him how much he wants to live to see his granddaughter grow up. He has my number on speed dial and essentially lives across the street. We're both home all day. The ball wil be fully in his court, all I have to do is keep making the juice to order.

so glad he has you.......and really hope and pray he can make the switch. I'll come stay with him til surgery and uhmmm...........encourage.........yeah that's it.......him to vape rather than smoke I can neither confirm nor deny any fryin pan involvement.

 

[DavidOck]

wuz gonna say then I'm weird too......but we all know that can't be In the VTF (vapor, TH, flavor) preferences so many folks chose vapor as #1 For me it was always trying to get enough TH that I got with smoking. Actually chest hit. I always did like watching the swirls of smoke, and now vapor. but as long as I exhale about as much as I did when smoking I'm good. Could never be a cloud chaser. It doesn't swirl quite as pretty as smoke.....but it's still nice to watch.

Same here, it's the process and TH for me as well. Smoked mtl, vape the same. Decent th, vapor level approximates the amount of smoke, enough to blow rings if I wish, but not going to do well in any sort of cloud comp

 

[garyoa1]

Well, yeah. The taste and watching smoke curl wuz neet.
But I mean, wake up get coffee... cig. bathroom... cig... phone rings... cig. make a call... cig. Get in car... cig.
Nothing worked without that skinny thing between the fingers.

 

[Debadoo]

Same here, it's the process and TH for me as well. Smoked mtl, vape the same. Decent th, vapor level approximates the amount of smoke, enough to blow rings if I wish, but not going to do well in any sort of cloud comp

Jup the only difference is that now I do lung hits, and I never did that smoking.

Well, yeah. The taste and watching smoke curl wuz neet.
But I mean, wake up get coffee... cig. bathroom... cig... phone rings... cig. make a call... cig. Get in car... cig.
Nothing worked without that skinny thing between the fingers.

I never smoked in the bathroom but a friend I used to work with always joked when she saw me out driving......that I always had my elbow propped up on the arm rest, and she could see the cig t'ween me finners up by where the window was down a bit. One day her son said.......mama is that Ms. B.....'s car she looked and said jup........she's got that cig stuck up by the open window

We've been doin a lotta on topic typing........we better talk bout sumpthin else for awhle...... give the mods sumpthin to do!

 

[DavidOck]

Nothing worked without that skinny thing between the fingers.

Careful, Gary, this IS the Front Porch!

Yeah, the simulation of the habit and process is one big part of why vaping works for me. Patch, gum, nope.

 

[Debadoo]

Careful, Gary, this IS the Front Porch!

lmao

 

[Iffy]

Nothing worked without that skinny thing between the fingers.

Careful, Gary, this IS the Front Porch!

 

[Kaezziel]

Not familiar with the sub-ohm things so not comfortable giving such a setup to him. Spinners I can handle. We/he can can explore more after surgery/rehab if he takes to vaping, or sooner if need be. Hopefully I'll be back for suggestions in a couple of months. We may have over a 60% tax to deal with soon so he better get with it.

And no, I didn't think you were trying to promote something difficult, just, again, something that was over my head. Regardless, I did appreciate your response.

No worries, Sweetie! Just trying to think of whatever I could to help get the nic percentage down as quickly as possible, and that's what worked for me. When I was running 1.8Ω+ coils, I was using 36mg... the instant that I switched to sub-ohm, I had to drop all the way down to 12mg. I'm now at 5mg, and holding steady... no desire to drop any lower than that. It's my happy place.

 

[SteveS45]

Well got a surprise when I went to start the mower it wouldn't start and after a quick check I found that spark plug had a crack in the insulator so a quick run to LIFFCO to pick up parts. Was drizzling when I started but lucked out with no rain and had time to do another seeding. Now hopefully we get the rain the predict. Time for some lunch!

 

[Semiretired]

No worries, Sweetie! Just trying to think of whatever I could to help get the nic percentage down as quickly as possible, and that's what worked for me. When I was running 1.8Ω+ coils, I was using 36mg... the instant that I switched to sub-ohm, I had to drop all the way down to 12mg. I'm now at 5mg, and holding steady... no desire to drop any lower than that. It's my happy place.

But are you going through more juice?

 

[SteveS45]

I can vape 2ML's in a Nautilus Mini in an hour at 11-12 Watts. Not so much Sub Ohm that eats e-Liquid for me because with Sub Ohm I can't chain vape as long or as hard. Just me though as YMMV