Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Four

[Fuzzy Thunderbear]

If you vape at 7 watts and they only go down to 10 it makes a difference or if you vape at 40 and they only go up to 30. But otherwise yes.

That was a response to a question about two mods delivering the same power.

I know you've got more experience than me, Robert (what with yer Eric Clapton coils and all - remember that "joke" from Tootle Puffers about three months ago?), but I was experimenting with this issue and took the tank off my iStick TC40W, which was doing perfect flavor at 12W (for that juice). OK, the tank and coil were the same... then I screwed it into the SXmini M class and had a suck at 12W. Bleah! I had to crank it up to 18W to get the same flavor. I do understand that the power source "should" deliver the same voltage/wattage given that the coil, tank, and juice are the same, so why didn't they produce the same flavor at the same wattage? Why did I have to crank the SXmini up to get the same taste? The iStick has a small battery and different electronics, while the SXmini uses an 18650 with programmable YIHI chip, but shouldn't the same Wattage setting deliver the same taste given it was the same tank/juice on both? So why didn't it?

EDIT: Is it possible that the on-board VOMs on one or both of these mods is lying?

 

[Iffy]

Since I want the fruit to pop, I'll use lemon juice. Now if I wanted my pie crust to pop, I'd use vinegar, right? That's easy enough to remember

Originally, I followed that line of thought. But since I use only one pie recipe, I just use LJ in it.

If you get a lil' bit more flav and are encouraged with the result, start 'playing' with finding the best 'acid' and 'dosage' for each recipe. Dat should keep ya busy fer a while...

 

[Robert Cromwell]

That was a response to a question about two mods delivering the same power.

I know you've got more experience than me, Robert (what with yer Eric Clapton coils and all - remember that "joke" from Tootle Puffers about three months ago?), but I was experimenting with this issue and took the tank off my iStick TC40W, which was doing perfect flavor at 12W (for that juice). OK, the tank and coil were the same... then I screwed it into the SXmini M class and had a suck at 12W. Bleah! I had to crank it up to 18W to get the same flavor. I do understand that the power source "should" deliver the same voltage/wattage given that the coil, tank, and juice are the same, so why didn't they produce the same flavor at the same wattage? Why did I have to crank the SXmini up to get the same taste? The iStick has a small battery and different electronics, while the SXmini uses an 18650 with programmable YIHI chip, but shouldn't the same Wattage setting deliver the same taste given it was the same tank/juice on both? So why didn't it?

EDIT: Is it possible that the on-board VOMs on one or both of these mods is lying?

No stovetop claptonized ribbon alien coils for me!
I typically vape at 8-14 watts. Went up to 30 once on my Velocity dripper. but not for me.
Check out Busardo's test results on mods. Many of them are pretty far off on actual wattage. Esp in the lower wattages. there was of course the iStick 20W which I think would not go below actual battery voltage, several others have the same issue.

 

[DavidOck]

EDIT: Is it possible that the on-board VOMs on one or both of these mods is lying?

That's likely a part of it, FTB. I've never seen a calibration sticker on a mod

The type of regulation circuit can make a difference as well - i.e. how smooth a DC voltage is actually output. And, as Robert mentioned, some just can't fire below the battery voltage, no matter what you set. Those generally perform better at the high end of their range - which doesn't do me much good, as I'm usually between about 7 - 9 watts!

 

[Lannie]

Try adding a bit of apple cider or white vinegar to 'bakky/bakery/savory recipes. Or lemon juice to fruit/berry/'lite' jooses. Start off with 1 drop per 5ml and 'work' your way up 'til da flav 'pops' a lil' bit.

Anymore, I just use Real-Lemon® in all my recipes.

Well, one drop wasn't enough... I detect no change in the flavor. Will 'speriment more!

Originally, I followed that line of thought. But since I use only one pie recipe, I just use LJ in it.

If you get a lil' bit more flav and are encouraged with the result, start 'playing' with finding the best 'acid' and 'dosage' for each recipe. Dat should keep ya busy fer a while...

LOL! YUP, that would be me, blowing myself up! I flunked out of chemistry in high school. Actually, I didn't actually FLUNK, the teacher felt so sorry for me and how hard I was trying, she gave me a D. But I have an allergic reaction to the word "chemistry." I break out in hives, start drooling uncontrollably, and twitching... it's not a pretty sight. Then one day, as I was telling Rich I was no chemist, he said, "But you ARE! Just LOOK at all the things you concoct - soap, hand creams, wonderful delicious recipes in the kitchen, cheeses, etc." And I guess he's right. I just couldn't seem to memorize the periodic table, and who GIVES a flyin' flip how many electrons iron has? I DON'T! But I digress. I find experimenting with "stuff" to be fascinating in the extreme, and now that I have another quest to pursue, I will make even LESS cheese than I'm making now (which is ZERO, by the way). One day I'll have all the basics down pat and not have to spend so much time thinking about things and trying new things, and then maybe I'll have some time to get back to my normal activities. Lately it seems vaping-related things are taking up most of my time! LOL!

And now that I've had several hits of this new berry cheesecake with lemon added, I think maybe I CAN detect the faintest bit of tang there somewhere. Or it's my imagination, which is pretty wild. Hard tellin' with me. I'll wait and add a bit more tomorrow, then if that's not enough, a bit more the next day. If there's any of this juice left by then!

~Lannie

 

[garyoa1]

EDIT: Is it possible that the on-board VOMs on one or both of these mods is lying?

On the one hand I find it highly unlikely that the chips are that accurate. On the other hand one could assume that the chips in identical mods would be pretty close to the same.
In my case, my 4 SVD's give the same flavor. Another mod doesn't. Still, adjusting other mods up, down, sideways, whatever. Cannot duplicate the SVD flavor. Even the SVD2 doesn't do it.

Now, while the flavor of the SVD is superior TO ME, it doesn't mean you should run out and track one down. You may not like it. Our tastebudz iz all different.

On the other hand, the original SVD has serious fire button problems. All of mine are screwy.

 

[Lannie]

Well, Rich ordered us mechs. Now we'll see how we get along with them after they get here. They're sure PURDY!

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Well, Rich ordered us mechs. Now we'll see how we get along with them after they get here. They're sure PURDY!

You just use your build to control your vape. I do 1.6-1.8 ohms in a T3 and 1-1.2 ohms in a Subtank Mini.
I can vape em on anything.
If you use stock Kanger T3/evod/protank coils use a 2 ohm for a mech. A 1.8 stock Kanger is likely to start tasting burned on a full battery.

 

[tj99959]

Too funny.

 

[Lannie]

You just use your build to control your vape. I do 1.6-1.8 ohms in a T3 and 1-1.2 ohms in a Subtank Mini.
I can vape em on anything.
If you use stock Kanger T3/evod/protank coils use a 2 ohm for a mech. A 1.8 stock Kanger is likely to start tasting burned on a full battery.

I understand the theory, but I have to put it into practice. Once I figure it out, it'll be easy-peasy, I'm sure. I'm well into sub-ohming now. I use iSub G tanks with .5 ohm coils at around 25 to 30 watts, then there's that Lemo 2 with about a .66 ohm single coil that I run at 40-ish watts, and the Aromamizer RDTA with two coils totalling .50 ohms that I run at 45 watts. I know about Steam Engine, and I have it bookmarked. I just need to get busy and start learning what to do to approximate my current preferences. Rich said he ordered a coil-building kit with the mods, so I'll have all my necessary tools in one spot. I think.

Rich still uses the 1.something coils at 12 to 18 watts, so his will need to be different... I'll learn it. It might take a while, but I'm well stocked with regulated mods for the learning period.

~Lannie

 

[Lannie]

And now I realize I've spent my entire day here, and got NOTHING done that I should have done! You guys are a BAD influence on me! LOL! Gotta go try and at LEAST wash the breakfast dishes before chores and dinner! ROFLMAO!

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I understand the theory, but I have to put it into practice. Once I figure it out, it'll be easy-peasy, I'm sure. I'm well into sub-ohming now. I use iSub G tanks with .5 ohm coils at around 25 to 30 watts, then there's that Lemo 2 with about a .66 ohm single coil that I run at 40-ish watts, and the Aromamizer RDTA with two coils totalling .50 ohms that I run at 45 watts. I know about Steam Engine, and I have it bookmarked. I just need to get busy and start learning what to do to approximate my current preferences. Rich said he ordered a coil-building kit with the mods, so I'll have all my necessary tools in one spot. I think.

Rich still uses the 1.something coils at 12 to 18 watts, so his will need to be different... I'll learn it. It might take a while, but I'm well stocked with regulated mods for the learning period.

~Lannie

To get the same vape on a mech you need to use ohms law. Poke in the wattage and the avg battery voltage of around 3.7-4.0 volts and it will give you the resistance coil you need to get that wattage on a mech.

Then use Steam engine to figure out the size wire and number of turns and such. For the STM the .5 coil that comes in the mini base should vape at around 30 watts on a mech. Same for the blister pack .5 coil.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

And now I realize I've spent my entire day here, and got NOTHING done that I should have done! You guys are a BAD influence on me! LOL! Gotta go try and at LEAST wash the breakfast dishes before chores and dinner! ROFLMAO!

I fed the wife unit a couple of meals, cleaned the kitchen and dishes and have the second load of laundry in the dryer. I also repaired a computer for an old Ford truck for a friend. At least I hope it fixed it. It had a couple of bad electrolytic capacitors in it.
Not got feedback yet on whether that was the only issues or not.

And intermingled in there was my legally insane SIL ranting about Master Manipulators going to steal my id and such other irrational paranoid things...

I often feel like I am serving a life sentence....

 

[Kenna]

I built several of mine and put masking tape labels on them. They were starting to come off by the time I used them all. So, I just finally found a use for these little boxes:

It should be much easier to keep these labelled. Perfect size for an already built KFL with chimney on to protect the build.

I finally found a use for them!

I use medince bottles to carry or pack tanks with juice already in them. Just the right height, & they don't rattle around much in them. For the one's that are wicked & in line to be used, I took one of those tiny post-it notes, wrote 'ready' on it & rolled it into a circle & taped it. I just drop one over the drip tip & stick it in the stand to wait it's turn.

 

[Debadoo]

We've been sucking our binkies for six months and have progressed from beginners with EVODs to iStciks and Disrupters with Protank/Protank-IIs and now you have all this iSub and Aromamizer stuff and I am figuring out the intricacies of Nautilus and Triton tanks on the SXmini mod and... Well, I just can't put the title "Newby" on people who use all these fancy shinies and haven't had anything blow up in their faces.

Myrany beat me to it, but I was also gonna say sounds like the next step is a REO!! I see you already ordered a mech of some sort, and that's a good thing to do. As someone said, you still control your watts, by how low you build your coils. I see you also already ordered a coil building kit, I was going to suggest the coil master version 3, it's really great. They can be had on ebay pretty cheap and somewhere else I saw them pretty cheap, just can't recall where now. oh oh oh I think it was mad vapes.

OBTW saw one of the banner ads earlier that offered a free sampler but now I can't find it. The code was included in the banner.

I believe it was FREESAMPLE but I'm not certain. They did have free shipping on the sample for awhile also but that is over.

Why do you lower % for FA & Capella?

As lannie said, FA is very concentrated, so you use a lot less than TFA or some others. For Capella, it was the Capella DROPS that are very concentrated.

Well I ordered 3 VTC mini's.

I knew it, I said I'd give you a week, don't think it's even been that yet.

10% Sweet Strawberry
8% Vanilla Bean Ice Cream
3% Cake Batter
3% Marshmallow
1% Ethyl Maltol (or whatever sweetener you want to use)

oooo that sounds yummy. don't have the cake batter, but have been wanting to try some. Will have to see if they have that in the cap drops. Then again, I do have some of the VZ creme brulee and Legs said it tasted just like their Vanilla sponge cake or something like that to him. May try that.

 

[Alter]

You just use your build to control your vape. I do 1.6-1.8 ohms in a T3 and 1-1.2 ohms in a Subtank Mini.
I can vape em on anything.
If you use stock Kanger T3/evod/protank coils use a 2 ohm for a mech. A 1.8 stock Kanger is likely to start tasting burned on a full battery.

I build enough to fire my provari with the most efficiency I can get out of the coil whether its a 28, 30 or whatever gauge since that is my most reliable go to work PV. I build the .5 and claptons just because I can and they are nice to vape at home but I don't need to blast a .5 clapton subtank build cloud in public. I do have a couple solid mechs I like to vape with low ohm coils but I rarely go over 20 watts on any of my builds, so I don't need a high wattage hitter. I hover from 10-15 watts most of the time and vape happily.
My wife who vapes a sweeter juice than I do can kill her coil fast vaping at 1.2-1.4 ohm builds so I keep her @ 1.8 so I'm not rebuilding every few days and she gets a couple weeks before its cocooned, unlike me who gets 3+ weeks from my DIY Hangsen tobacs. Finding the sweet spot in your build and hitter is a ongoing battle but once you find it and able to maintain it....you in for some good vapin.

 

[tj99959]

I understand the theory, but I have to put it into practice. Once I figure it out, it'll be easy-peasy, I'm sure. I'm well into sub-ohming now. I use iSub G tanks with .5 ohm coils at around 25 to 30 watts, then there's that Lemo 2 with about a .66 ohm single coil that I run at 40-ish watts, and the Aromamizer RDTA with two coils totalling .50 ohms that I run at 45 watts. I know about Steam Engine, and I have it bookmarked. I just need to get busy and start learning what to do to approximate my current preferences. Rich said he ordered a coil-building kit with the mods, so I'll have all my necessary tools in one spot. I think.

Rich still uses the 1.something coils at 12 to 18 watts, so his will need to be different... I'll learn it. It might take a while, but I'm well stocked with regulated mods for the learning period.

~Lannie

Something for you to think about when starting to wrap your own coils. With sub ohm coils a 0.1 or 0.2 ohm difference is huge. With a 2 ohm coil you can be off by as much as 0.5 ohms and hardly notice the difference.

 

[DavidOck]

And now I realize I've spent my entire day here, and got NOTHING done that I should have done! You guys are a BAD influence on me! LOL! Gotta go try and at LEAST wash the breakfast dishes before chores and dinner! ROFLMAO!

Well then, you might just as well wait and do them all at once!

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I build enough to fire my provari with the most efficiency I can get out of the coil whether its a 28, 30 or whatever gauge since that is my most reliable go to work PV. I build the .5 and claptons just because I can and they are nice to vape at home but I don't need to blast a .5 clapton subtank build cloud in public. I do have a couple solid mechs I like to vape with low ohm coils but I rarely go over 20 watts on any of my builds, so I don't need a high wattage hitter. I hover from 10-15 watts most of the time and vape happily.
My wife who vapes a sweeter juice than I do can kill her coil fast vaping at 1.2-1.4 ohm builds so I keep her @ 1.8 so I'm not rebuilding every few days and she gets a couple weeks before its cocooned, unlike me who gets 3+ weeks from my DIY Hangsen tobacs. Finding the sweet spot in your build and hitter is a ongoing battle but once you find it and able to maintain it....you in for some good vapin.

For my T3S I build a 2mm 30 ga 1.6-1.8 ohm and wick with cotton. Vapes nice at 8 watts or virtually the same on a mech.
For my tobac I mix Hangsen Desert ship at about .75 ml/30ml and a few drops of Butterscotch and Brown sugar.

 

[Iffy]

Well, one drop wasn't enough... I detect no change in the flavor. Will 'speriment more!

In how much joose?

And now that I've had several hits of this new berry cheesecake with lemon added, I think maybe I CAN detect the faintest bit of tang there somewhere.

In my experiences, it's not so much 'bout tang as a slight enhancement in da flav(s). When I first started using LJ and ACV, I was using 1 drop/3ml; some folk use more.

Also, 'drop' is a relative term. Just keep track of how many you're using in any given recipe.

Good luck and please let us know your results!