Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Four

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I build enough to fire my provari with the most efficiency I can get out of the coil whether its a 28, 30 or whatever gauge since that is my most reliable go to work PV. I build the .5 and claptons just because I can and they are nice to vape at home but I don't need to blast a .5 clapton subtank build cloud in public. I do have a couple solid mechs I like to vape with low ohm coils but I rarely go over 20 watts on any of my builds, so I don't need a high wattage hitter. I hover from 10-15 watts most of the time and vape happily.
My wife who vapes a sweeter juice than I do can kill her coil fast vaping at 1.2-1.4 ohm builds so I keep her @ 1.8 so I'm not rebuilding every few days and she gets a couple weeks before its cocooned, unlike me who gets 3+ weeks from my DIY Hangsen tobacs. Finding the sweet spot in your build and hitter is a ongoing battle but once you find it and able to maintain it....you in for some good vapin. :)
Ha! My juices gunk my coils in about 5-6 days. I just give them a quick rinse in water, pulse them a few times & use a pipe cleaner to clean them, rewick & keep going. I only recoil when I start to lose flavor even after rewicking. My coils last several months. months.
 

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oh the other thing about mech's at least with the REO and I assume all of them, you'll typically only want to use the top part of the charge on your batt, to maintain your watts. I usually find the vape falling off, if the batt drops below 3.9 so I change it out then. Since I vape around 11-13 watts ie dual coils that net 1.3 ohms, it lasts me about a day before I have to change it. I've heard this saves wear and tear on your batts too, and that makes sense.
 

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EDIT: Is it possible that the on-board VOMs on one or both of these mods is lying?

I think it's already been said but ... not all PV's are created equal when it comes to being accurate delivering the power you have it set for.

Well, Rich ordered us mechs. Now we'll see how we get along with them after they get here. They're sure PURDY!

Well that ain't nice ... telling us you got something new but not what it is. Now you'll have to post pictures when you get 'em.

Also ... please make sure you're using quality batteries particularly if you're building sub-ohm coils.
 

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Lannie,

It seems to me that fruit flavors often suffer from flavor loss over time. I've started making smaller batches so they stay fresh, plus it gives me an excuse to go into mad chemist mode and DIY. ;)

I also find that flavors taste different depending on the power. I have one that if I vape it lower power, I get more of the ice cream flavor but if I crank it up I get more of the Irish Cream/Kahlua zing. Sometimes it's just fun to play.
 

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I read on the Flavor Apprentice thread that sometimes a very low percentage of raspberry can make other fruit flavors pop. Very small %, not enough to add flavor, just to make flavors pop. No personal experience yet, so just passing on what I read (on the internet no less!, but BillsMagicVapor is a quite talented mixologist).
 

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oh the other thing about mech's at least with the REO and I assume all of them, you'll typically only want to use the top part of the charge on your batt, to maintain your watts. I usually find the vape falling off, if the batt drops below 3.9 so I change it out then. Since I vape around 11-13 watts ie dual coils that net 1.3 ohms, it lasts me about a day before I have to change it. I've heard this saves wear and tear on your batts too, and that makes sense.
Deb that varies a lot by person. Everyone has always told me I should be able to notice the vape dropping off. I never have. Not ONCE in the nearly 2 + years I have had the REO.

I actually had to keep popping the battery out and testing the volts until I got a handle on how much of the bottle used=change the battery for that particular coil. Otherwise I would (and did a couple of times) vape the battery below 3.0 volts.
 

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Deb that varies a lot by person. Everyone has always told me I should be able to notice the vape dropping off. I never have. Not ONCE in the nearly 2 + years I have had the REO.
Good info, yeah I have heard a couple folks say that, but wow, that's low to not notice.
 

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I read on the Flavor Apprentice thread that sometimes a very low percentage of raspberry can make other fruit flavors pop. Very small %, not enough to add flavor, just to make flavors pop. No personal experience yet, so just passing on what I read (on the internet no less!, but BillsMagicVapor is a quite talented mixologist).

I can't say about raspberry but I do know through experience that the Hangsen tobacs like highway, desert ship and No5 make my single flavors pop. Hangsen pops my cola, grape, cotton candy, spearmint and tobacco absolutes. Vaping them as standalones and they suck but in a HS blend they are great. All I vape is my Hangsen tobacs blended with a single other flavor in different ratios to achieve the best flavor.
 

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That's likely a part of it, FTB. I've never seen a calibration sticker on a mod
After about 22 years in the electronics industry, and knowing approximately the knowledge base of the current major mod manufacturers, the on-board VOMs "could" be accurate to a hundredth of a volt with no significant increase in cost per unit. Did that make sense? That is, the retail price of the SXmini is $199 and you can get that kind of accuracy in a stand-alone VOM for about $5, so there is no reason whatsoever why this mod should not be accurate. I'm not saying it is accurate - as you say, they do not certify calibration, but it damn well should be.
The type of regulation circuit can make a difference as well - i.e. how smooth a DC voltage is actually output. And, as Robert mentioned, some just can't fire below the battery voltage, no matter what you set. Those generally perform better at the high end of their range - which doesn't do me much good, as I'm usually between about 7 - 9 watts!
OK, check me out on this simple math (I know you can...): The on-board VOM claims the coil resistance is 1.85 Ohms. The current actual battery voltage is 3.72 Volts (I have already consumed 13,578.2 Joules from full charge). When I set the Wattage at 18.0, the chip calculates that it will require 5.75 Volts to achieve that heat level. Good old Ohm's Law says E=IR and P=IE, therefore P=EE/R, therefore E=Sq.rt. of (PR), so the square root of (18.0x1.85) = 5.77 Volts which puts the on-board calculator off by only 0.02 Volts that the regulator circuitry would have to bump the output up to in order to achieve 18.0 Watts. Of course, any inaccuracy by the on-board VOM in measuring the coil resistance or the available voltage versus calculated voltage requirement would introduce sufficient error to accommodate that 0.02 Volt issue (or more). Given the iStick TC40 that I compared this to is a $40 mod, I would tend to place the reading/calculation error on that side rather than the SXmini. Which one of those guys has the better reputation for accuracy? Or is the answer "neither"?
On the one hand I find it highly unlikely that the chips are that accurate. On the other hand one could assume that the chips in identical mods would be pretty close to the same.
I agree, Gary, that the chips in the same model of mods should be identical (assuming little-to-no manufacturing tolerance errors) and chips from different manufacturers are very likely to not agree with each other, but as I implied above, the technology and the potential for accuracy is available and the cost differential should be next to nothing. So, am I being an idiot to assume these people would want to build the best possible instruments, or is this just another version of "let's con those stupid Americans because they'll buy any piece of crap as long as it looks impressive"?
 

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Well that ain't nice ... telling us you got something new but not what it is.
Well. Whatja get already?!
I'm answering for @Lannie because she is already in dreamland tonight.

Caravella Mech Mods, brass (Hcigar clone), retail price $49.99, Vapor Bank has them on a clearance sale for only $4.99 each (no shipping cost on my order), so I got four of them.
 
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So, am I being an idiot to assume these people would want to build the best possible instruments, or is this just another version of "let's con those stupid Americans because they'll buy any piece of crap as long as it looks impressive"?

No, don't think so. But they are into maximizing their profit, as any business needs to be to survive :)

I think the more likely scenario is the maker's choice of chip source and grade, and attention to QC. Not to mention the support components on the boards, caps, resistors etc. I imagine 10% tolerance for the better mods, 20 for others. Start stacking up parts that are at both end, plus and minus, and that small percent could be magnified.

Heck, it's just a mod, not a precision test instrument. How precise does it have to be?

The 0.1 watt increment is relatively new, 0.5 used to be typical. Personally, I don't detect a difference between 9 watts and 8.9 or 9.1. And a big difference between precision and accuracy as well.

As long as a particular mod is consistent, I'm ok with it.
 

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I can't say about raspberry but I do know through experience that the Hangsen tobacs like highway, desert ship and No5 make my single flavors pop. Hangsen pops my cola, grape, cotton candy, spearmint and tobacco absolutes. Vaping them as standalones and they suck but in a HS blend they are great. All I vape is my Hangsen tobacs blended with a single other flavor in different ratios to achieve the best flavor.
I've heard about that before. But had forgotten. Thanks for the reminder.
 

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Heck, it's just a mod, not a precision test instrument. How precise does it have to be?
Therein lies MY error, David. I "assume" because I can get a calculator for $1 with an 8 decimal point accuracy that ALL electronics should be equally as accurate. My bad. Sigh...
 

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Therein lies MY error, David. I "assume" because I can get a calculator for $1 with an 8 decimal point accuracy that ALL electronics should be equally as accurate. My bad. Sigh...

Of course :)

But those don't have converter circuits, monitor circuits, and so on. Their only input is the keypad :)
 

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Depends on the software in the mod chip and the D/A converter bit rate/accuracy in the chipset in the mod.

the New Innoken TC mod will read the coil resistance to 5 digits.
Just watched a review on it.
As to how accurate that is? anyones guess since you cannot fully replicate coil reistance with it on the mod and off since the mod also reads it's resistance between the chipset and the atty.
I would think that the mod would naturally read a bit higher than a resistance checker due to the internal wiring in the mod and such.
 

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Innokin has been using the evolv (made in usa) chip since the SVD2.
According to Smokin Joey this is a new chip of their design in the new Innoken TC mod.
I forget the name right now. And it is not the missing Coolfire 3 :D
 
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