Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Four

[MikeE3]

Anyone else have the 'sickness' and saves all their original boxes. I spent the last few days emptying out these boxes. Each still had some of the original spare parts, owners booklets, etc.

My shelf is now much more organized. The containers on the left are used toppers and spare parts. The boxes on the right are NIB toppers stashed for the future.

One thing I have plenty of backups for are those dang useless screwdrivers.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Anyone else have the 'sickness' and saves all their original boxes. I spent the last few days emptying out these boxes. Each still had some of the original spare parts, owners booklets, etc.

My shelf is now much more organized. The containers on the left are used toppers and spare parts. The boxes on the right are NIB toppers stashed for the future.

One thing I have plenty of backups for are those dang useless screwdrivers.

You are a very brave man. I hope you labeled those containers.

 

[Kenna]

Yeah, the integrated tip is what's kept me from getting any of the 5s

Yeah, & I already have 2 Nano's. I guess the smaller size has it's place, but I'd rather have a full size +v2 with the Mtank than another Nano with less air, no way to increase or decrease it, & a strange feeling dt.

 

[Kenna]

You are a very brave man. I hope you labeled those containers.

Especially considering he just posted pics of mystery coils! [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]

 

[Von Vape]

There are 2 forms of vacuum in a tank.
The vacuum created at the air pocket in the top of the tank by the weight of the liquid below it.

And the vacuum in the coil chamber when you suck on the tank. This draws juice into the wick to be vaporized.

With a poorly designed or improperly wicked tank you break the tank top vacuum when opening for topfilling.
This can allow the juice to rush into the wick chamber if it is poorly designed or improperly wicked.

also if you are just topping off a topfill tank and it still has a lot of juice in it it is prone to leak because of the loss of vacuum and the weight of all the juice still in the tank.

Also when topfilling do not leave the top open any longer than needed to reduce the chance of flooding or leaking.

I respectfully disagree with my learned and eloquent colleague.
A vacuum can only exist in a sealed chamber. By definition, it is the lack of or drastic reduction of barometric pressure.
Therefore, there is no possibility that any form of vacuum can exist in a coil chamber since it is open to barometric pressure at both ends. Further, while Bernoulli’s theorem does state that fluid draining out of a sealed tank can create a vacuum within the tank, much the same as turning a bottle of water upside down rapidly and the water not being able to flow out until an air bubble works it's way past the fluid, re-equalizing the barometric pressure, those air bubbles that you see in your juice are also re-equalizing the barometric pressure in the tank, hence, no vacuum.

In researching this argument, I did note some who use the phrase "vacuum EFFECT" in regard to how atomizer tanks work. None, however, state that an actual vacuum is being created. In actuality, a siphoning or scavenging effect is what is occurring. What little "vacuum" is created in the tank by drawing SCAVENGING air through the coil is quickly eliminated by the reverse barometric pressure as soon as the draw stops (The little air bubbles that float to the top of your tank through the fluid.). The wick is exactly that, a wick, and works the same as any wick, whether it be an oil lamp wick, a candle wick or an atomizer wick. Once it is saturated it transfers the "juice" by means of capillary action. The draw and intensity of draw do have a SCAVENGING or SIPHONING effect on the fluid and will draw more fluid into the wicking material but, as stated previously, wicking material is porous and will allow the existing barometric pressure to quickly equalize any "vacuum" temporarily created in the tank. Furthermore, the relatively small volume of fluids in the tanks (2 ml. to 7 ml.) would not be sufficient for specific gravity to flood any but the most loosely packed heads.

There is no doubt in my mind that flooding can only occur in an improperly packed coil chamber. I also have no doubt that there is a "sweet spot" in regard to how firmly the wicking material is packed and that WILL take some practice and experience. Lack of experience can not contradict the laws of physics, however.

Respectfully,
Von Vape

 

[mmsjs5]

useless screwdrivers.

Not true ! I've read that the o-ring that's on them is the same size as the Kayfun Lite Plus V2 fill hole o-ring.

 

[bigbells]

Not true ! I've read that the o-ring that's on them is the same size as the Kayfun Lite Plus V2 fill hole o-ring.

Screwdrivers that have o-rings? Without pictures it didn't happen.

 

[Von Vape]

Screwdrivers that have o-rings?

Ya, they fit right behind the fetzer valve, Dave.

 

[mmsjs5]

Screwdrivers that have o-rings? Without pictures it didn't happen.

Look on the left, the black that you see, at the base of the flat head screwdriver, is a washer. It's there on all of mine, of this type. It catches the cover that screws over the driver.

I was an unbeliever, like you, when I first read it.

This is a better pic...

 

[Von Vape]

Those are schweet! The caps protect the tips of the tool and the O-rings seal them from corrosion. BRILLIANT!

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I respectfully disagree with my learned and eloquent colleague.
A vacuum can only exist in a sealed chamber. By definition, it is the lack of or drastic reduction of barometric pressure.
Therefore, there is no possibility that any form of vacuum can exist in a coil chamber since it is open to barometric pressure at both ends. Further, while Bernoulli’s theorem does state that fluid draining out of a sealed tank can create a vacuum within the tank, much the same as turning a bottle of water upside down rapidly and the water not being able to flow out until an air bubble works it's way past the fluid, re-equalizing the barometric pressure, those air bubbles that you see in your juice are also re-equalizing the barometric pressure in the tank, hence, no vacuum.

In researching this argument, I did note some who use the phrase "vacuum EFFECT" in regard to how atomizer tanks work. None, however, state that an actual vacuum is being created. In actuality, a siphoning or scavenging effect is what is occurring. What little "vacuum" is created in the tank by drawing SCAVENGING air through the coil is quickly eliminated by the reverse barometric pressure as soon as the draw stops (The little air bubbles that float to the top of your tank through the fluid.). The wick is exactly that, a wick, and works the same as any wick, whether it be an oil lamp wick, a candle wick or an atomizer wick. Once it is saturated it transfers the "juice" by means of capillary action. The draw and intensity of draw do have a SCAVENGING or SIPHONING effect on the fluid and will draw more fluid into the wicking material but, as stated previously, wicking material is porous and will allow the existing barometric pressure to quickly equalize any "vacuum" temporarily created in the tank. Furthermore, the relatively small volume of fluids in the tanks (2 ml. to 7 ml.) would not be sufficient for specific gravity to flood any but the most loosely packed heads.

There is no doubt in my mind that flooding can only occur in an improperly packed coil chamber. I also have no doubt that there is a "sweet spot" in regard to how firmly the wicking material is packed and that WILL take some practice and experience. Lack of experience can not contradict the laws of physics, however.

Respectfully,
Von Vape

A vacuum in respect to atmospheric pressure exists in the coil chamber when you suck on the atty.
How does an automotive intake manifold have vacuum? It is open to the atmosphere thru the air cleaner isn't it?

anytime you try to suck more air thru a venturi or restriction than it can freely supply you create a vacuum.
The coil chamber , chimney, afc, etc is the same way.

the vacuum is only there while you are sucking but it IS there.

Play semantics if you want though.

 

[MikeE3]

You are a very brave man. I hope you labeled those containers.

Well, yes, yes I did label the containers.

Not true ! I've read that the o-ring that's on them is the same size as the Kayfun Lite Plus V2 fill hole o-ring.

Awesome! So I can take the o-rings off and put them in my box labeled 'Kayfun parts'. And ditch the screwdrivers.

Those are schweet! The caps protect the tips of the tool and the O-rings seal them from corrosion. BRILLIANT!

Yeah, except the phillips head fits poorly all the small screws on my atty's.

 

[Von Vape]

A vacuum in respect to atmospheric pressure exists in the coil chamber when you suck on the atty.
How does an automotive intake manifold have vacuum? It is open to the atmosphere thru the air cleaner isn't it?

anytime you try to suck more air thru a venturi or restriction than it can freely supply you create a vacuum.
The coil chamber , chimney, afc, etc is the same way.

Yes, technically that is a form of vacuum, much the same as a vacuum cleaner is a form of vacuum. That "form" is a scavenging vacuum and only exists as long as there is a draw through the chamber or plenum. Also the same way a well designed collector and set of header tubes works to scavenge the exhaust gasses (or vacuum) from a different cylinder's exhaust tube or for the whole thing to "vacuum" your PCV in the rocker cover. Once the parasitic flow stops, there is no "vacuum". The space reverts to mean barometric pressure. It is actually a fairly loose definition of the term vacuum that is also often referred to as a flow zone or negative or positive pressure zone (depending on whether you are evacuating or increasing the amount of air in that space.).

This may really blow your mind; think combination leaf blower/lawn vac!!! Attach the tube to one end and it blows, attach it to the other and it sucks! But it doesn't do EITHER unless the motor is running.

Just Sayin'
Von Vape

 

[Von Vape]

Yeah, except the phillips head fits poorly all the small screws on my atty's.

That was going to be my next question, are they QUALITY screw drivers? All tempered and properly machined. You're a psychic, MikeE3!!!

 

[bigbells]

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Look on the left, the black that you see, at the base of the flat head screwdriver, is a washer. It's there on all of mine, of this type. It catches the cover that screws over the driver.

I was an unbeliever, like you, when I first read it.

This is a better pic...View attachment 567069

Cool. I've never had one of those key chain screwdrivers, or a screwdriver with a cap.

 

[Debadoo]

Went ahead and ordered the gallon of nic and liter of both pg and vg at MFS. Was waiting for Fourth of July sales but figured they probably won't be much better than the 20 percent I got yesterday.

you got a great deal......but sure am hoping July 4th will bring greater deals. But I'm house sitting over that week, sunday to sunday. Realized only the other day she said she has no internet Gotta figger out some way I can see the sales, and get my nic

Well decided these Merlins are not my cup of tea. [Removed]

well dang..........I was gonna ask why ya didn't like em, but I saw why. I love em, don't throw em out. (Edited) No air restrictor and AFC wide open is perfect for me. Haven't refilled it yet, but folks say they don't leak. I'll find out when I do refill it.

Mine too. But, I'm hesitant to wait any longer than absolutely necessary. Who knows? Next week I may try to order and be told that the vendor no longer ships to Texas.

y'all bite yur tongues!!! hehehe

No, honestly.
I'm asking a question here
how much stevia should I add to my vape to get that sweet tooth satisfied without adding to my tummy?

I am glad you go answers, I just had no idea cuz I've never used stevia in e juice or in a drink lol

and what a craving!! I'm pre-diabetic, and my blood sugar was getting up to 189!!! That no good. That bad.

oh dang darlin! Hope you can get that down!

OK heres proof

was this the pic of your Q??? if so it sure is purdyyyyyyy if it's sumpthin else I done forgot what it is hehehe Will see when I post this.

Well they seem to be ok had another adjustment on them and it's been about 2 weeks. I am able to wear my cushier inner liners but only a 1 ply sock instead of a 3ply like it should be but they aren't bothering me anymore. Think they'll be ok for our trip. Still will take one of my old pair just in case plus a range of socks.

wahooooooooo!!!! Hope they stay great for ya. So glad they finally got you sumpthin you can wear.

Now I need to get the Diamond Blue.

I tried to look that up.....all I found was 900 mah ego kinda things lol

There are 2 forms of vacuum in a tank.
The vacuum created at the air pocket in the top of the tank by the weight of the liquid below it.

And the vacuum in the coil chamber when you suck on the tank. This draws juice into the wick to be vaporized.

With a poorly designed or improperly wicked tank you break the tank top vacuum when opening for topfilling.
This can allow the juice to rush into the wick chamber if it is poorly designed or improperly wicked.

also if you are just topping off a topfill tank and it still has a lot of juice in it it is prone to leak because of the loss of vacuum and the weight of all the juice still in the tank.

Also when topfilling do not leave the top open any longer than needed to reduce the chance of flooding or leaking.

well that made sense, but a lil bit of Von's did too. Then I had to quit readin the back and forth before my head exploded

I popped in to my local B&M, yesterday, to say hi and get more cotton bacon. Imagine my delight when I saw a big sign advertising a fund raiser for CASAA! My shop is partnering with another local shop for an event on Saturday. There'll be a band, food, raffles ... Sounds like fun! So proud of them!

They've also agreed to use the "charge for samples" post 8/8 as a fund raising opportunity, and will suggest it to other shops.

that's wonderful!!! But what is the "charge for samples" 8/8? Do they gotta do that cuz of deeming?

One thing I have plenty of backups for are those dang useless screwdrivers.

those swively ones are nice. I have one of those, but need to get a couple more. Really need to find out all the sized of hex drivers (think thats what they're called) that I need and get some. Those allen key thingies are drivin me bonkers.

 

[bigbells]

Yeah, except the phillips head fits poorly all the small screws on my atty's.

A very small Phillips screwdriver that is machined well enough to actually work is hard to find.

There was once a time when you could get one in an eyeglass repair kit at the drug store that cost $1. Then, they switched to slot-head screws for those teeny screws that attach the ear pieces and nose bridge pads to the eyeglass frames, and raised the price to $2.

 

[Von Vape]

A very small Phillips screwdriver that is machined well enough to actually work is hard to find.

So true, Dave. Anyone interested might try a jewler's supply shop but don't try and pinch pennies if you're after quality. Their junk/cheepo stuff is the same junk/cheepo stuff available everywhere.

(Hmmm, I wonder if ARP (the high performance engine fastener company) makes screws tiny enough for attys??? Surely jeweler's supplies and the aircraft industry have high quality tiny screws available? Oh wait, now I'm gonna get them in trouble with the FDA!!! )

 

[garyoa1]

(Hmmm, I wonder if ARP (the high performance engine fastener company) makes screws tiny enough for attys??? Surely jeweler's supplies and the aircraft industry have high quality tiny screws available? Oh wait, now I'm gonna get them in trouble with the FDA!!! )

Nah. Just put the military out of bizness. No biggie.

 

[Debadoo]

(Hmmm, I wonder if ARP (the high performance engine fastener company) makes screws tiny enough for attys??? Surely jeweler's supplies and the aircraft industry have high quality tiny screws available? Oh wait, now I'm gonna get them in trouble with the FDA!!! )

for tiny atty screws, Mcmaster Carr has just about anything....... but their shipping can be high. I did order some grub screws from them. Their prices were higher than Bolt depot, but bolt depot didn't have both sizes. So check bolt depot first. Dunno if they have screwdrivers or not, didn't look. Fast tech also has some. At least grub screws. I think that's where I need to go for the M2 something I need.