Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Three

[MattB101]

Here's a link to the report in Nature, by Dr. Farsalinos.

Abstract:


That said, I agree completely that working with higher-nic eliquid is dangerous, particularly if you ingest it, or get it on your skin and leave it there. The reason it's less dangerous when you vape it is that most of it is exhaled from your body in the vapor, instead of absorbed into your blood stream. But, you should also always be on the watch for signs of nicotine overdose (this is true for normal vaping as well). If you start feel dizzy, nauseous, get a headache, or get hiccups, those are all common symptoms of overdoing it. Stop at that point, and give your body a chance to catch up. But, from what I read, unless you drink the eliquid (and even very small quantities like 10ml can be fatal), you shouldn't have any long-term consequences.

Good job explaining Papa. You know you are one of the few people I don't have to argue with about some aspects of vaping. You seem to get it right the first time.

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[MattB101]

Thank you for the article. Rolygate has an article somewhere--I've posted the link here before but have lost it at the moment--that ingesting 1,500mg of nic is not fatal. I do't know if that was Clark Kent who tried it or what but the fatal level seems to be much higher than they thought. Not advocating anyone ingest nic, especially larger doses. I'll see if I can dig up that article.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't thing absorbed into your bloodstream faster if you put it between your lip and gum?

Just a pinch.

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[PapaSloth]

Thank you for the article. Rolygate has an article somewhere--I've posted the link here before but have lost it at the moment--that ingesting 1,500mg of nic is not fatal. I do't know if that was Clark Kent who tried it or what but the fatal level seems to be much higher than they thought. Not advocating anyone ingest nic, especially larger doses. I'll see if I can dig up that article.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't thing absorbed into your bloodstream faster if you put it between your lip and gum?

Wow. 1,500mg of nic would be a 30ml bottle of 50mg/ml eliquid, or 4 full ounces of 12mg eliquid. Either one sounds like a disastrously stupid thing to do. It might have to do with how lethal dosages are calculated as well - 500-1000mg has been cited as the minimum lethal dosage (dosage that will kill some people). Other sources cite the LD50, which is the dosage that you'd expect half of people to die at, or maximum lethal dosage (which should kill everyone). Maybe 1,500mg is the LD50?

Dosages are also usually expressed in terms of each Kg of the body weight of the subject. A larger person can ingest more nic than a smaller one, all other things being equal. Perhaps 1,500mg of nic is for a larger person?

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Wow. 1,500mg of nic would be a 30ml bottle of 50mg/ml eliquid, or 4 full ounces of 12mg eliquid. Either one sounds like a disastrously stupid thing to do. It might have to do with how lethal dosages are calculated as well - 500-1000mg has been cited as the minimum lethal dosage (dosage that will kill some people). Other sources cite the LD50, which is the dosage that you'd expect half of people to die at, or maximum lethal dosage (which should kill everyone). Maybe 1,500mg is the LD50?

Haven't found the article yet but did find this comment from him. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-there-nicotine-poisoning-2.html#post12588744

 

[PapaSloth]

Haven't found the article yet but did find this comment from him. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-there-nicotine-poisoning-2.html#post12588744

I think I see. My understanding of what he's saying is that 1500mg isn't usually fatal because you start throwing up before enough nic is absorbed to kill you. I'm not positive that's what he meant, but I think that's what he's saying.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

I think I see. My understanding of what he's saying is that 1500mg isn't usually fatal because you start throwing up before enough nic is absorbed to kill you. I'm not positive that's what he meant, but I think that's what he's saying.

That's my take on it too.

 

[3mg Meniere]

Is Miss Attitude aware she will never ever get that tank if you win the bet? Did you tell her that part?

I might eventually tell her that. However, she doesn't know how to read yet. The only things she can read and write are "low V", ""7.0 W", and "1.6Ω" and a few other tid-bits. Right now, she doesn't think anything else is important, other than looking pretty. She doesn't realize how intertwined everything is.

 

[MattB101]

Wow. 1,500mg of nic would be a 30ml bottle of 50mg/ml eliquid, or 4 full ounces of 12mg eliquid. Either one sounds like a disastrously stupid thing to do. It might have to do with how lethal dosages are calculated as well - 500-1000mg has been cited as the minimum lethal dosage (dosage that will kill some people). Other sources cite the LD50, which is the dosage that you'd expect half of people to die at, or maximum lethal dosage (which should kill everyone). Maybe 1,500mg is the LD50?

Dosages are also usually expressed in terms of each Kg of the body weight of the subject. A larger person can ingest more nic than a smaller one, all other things being equal. Perhaps 1,500mg of nic is for a larger person?

If that's the case than I am probably good for 3,000mg. Fat bast...!

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[PapaSloth]

I might eventually tell her that. However, she doesn't know how to read yet. The only things she can read and write are "low V", ""7.0 W", and "1.6Ω" and a few other tid-bits. Right now, she doesn't think anything else is important, other than looking pretty.

A pretty woman who only speaks when she has something useful or important to say? Anything I added at this point would get me in trouble

 

[PapaSloth]

If that's the case than I am probably good for 3,000mg. Fat bast...!

Please, do not attempt the experiment! We'd miss you!

 

[FlamingoTutu]

A pretty woman who only speaks when she has something useful or important to say? Anything I added at this point would get me in trouble

No, that was enough right there to get you in trouble.

I might eventually tell her that. However, she doesn't know how to read yet. The only things she can read and write are "low V", ""7.0 W", and "1.6Ω" and a few other tid-bits. Right now, she doesn't think anything else is important, other than looking pretty. She doesn't realize how intertwined everything is.

Bet you get the silent treatment over gunky coils.

 

[MattB101]

Don't worry just kidding. Trying to lighten the mood a little. Besides I'm not that fat!

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[MattB101]

No, that was enough right there to get you in trouble.




Bet you get the silent treatment over gunky coils.

I believe that it's a good thing that she's not on the forum. Is she?

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[FlamingoTutu]

I believe that it's a good thing that she's not on the forum. Is she?

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Sloth's wife or Miss Attitude? I'm thinking either would liven the place up.

 

[3mg Meniere]

A pretty woman who only speaks when she has something useful or important to say? Anything I added at this point would get me in trouble

She doesn't have to speak. On other subjects, we communicate psychically.

Any woman who talks too much should read Ezekiel 3:26 and the events surrounding it.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

She doesn't have to speak. On other subjects, we communicate psychically.

Any woman who talks too much should read Ezekiel 3:26 and the events surrounding it.

Mine only communicate, other than menu, by high diving off something and busting another drip tip. Other than that they all behave very well.

 

[PapaSloth]

So, I just got in on a group buy for the YouDe Goblin. $25.95, including shipping. Order to YouDe is going in on Monday, so who knows how long to get here? Maybe around the 20th. I'll report back when I get it.

 

[PapaSloth]

Mine only communicate, other than menu, by high diving off something and busting another drip tip. Other than that they all behave very well.

Poor little things. They're all suicidal.

 

[Janet H]

Is that why I hiccup if I rub a little bit of juice on my gums?

Thank you for the article. Rolygate has an article somewhere--I've posted the link here before but have lost it at the moment--that ingesting 1,500mg of nic is not fatal. I do't know if that was Clark Kent who tried it or what but the fatal level seems to be much higher than they thought. Not advocating anyone ingest nic, especially larger doses. I'll see if I can dig up that article.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't thing absorbed into your bloodstream faster if you put it between your lip and gum?

I think I see. My understanding of what he's saying is that 1500mg isn't usually fatal because you start throwing up before enough nic is absorbed to kill you. I'm not positive that's what he meant, but I think that's what he's saying.

Rotowoman, I agree with Flaming and Matt (I think it was Matt) when they said if you're really climbing the walls have a cigarette. A lot of people have some cigarettes while they're switching to vaping. There's no sense in driving yourself crazy unless it's something you feel strongly about. Even though I accidently quit smoking with my first rig I kept that 1/2 pack of Marlboro's on the fridge for 6 months before tossing them, just in case. As we always say, it's the cigs you don't smoke that count. When you hit those times when you really have a craving you can try vaping your face off until it passes. Sometimes that works and I'd always advise having a higher nic juice for the tough times. Just relax and enjoy vaping. it's a great ride.

This article was posted recently - The Great Nicotine Myth. Evidently ingesting it would cause awful vomiting and therefore would not be fatal.
The Great Nicotine Myth

 

[2legsshrt]

I don't remember who was thinking of getting a Hana DNA40 I've seen some people not liking them on the NI200 Forum. Just thought I'd let you know I think the Vapor Shark is the way to go unless you can afford a Vapor Flask $300. You have to wait for the VS I ordered mine Dec 26th and still hasn't been shipped they are starting to get caught up I am told though. I will wait till I see how I like it whether I order another. I'm not real sure how well this IQ thing works on the P3. I've got a brand new LG HE2 in it and it says the IQ is poor.