Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Three

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vape, not smoke. I am promoting non smoking terminology. I said in a previous post that I think one of the biggest mistakes was when they named them electronic cigarettes. Called down unwanted attention.

Sent with no malice and not a whole lot of forethought from my new Galaxy Tab 4. Thanks Santa!

Oh dayum! I DID say "smoke" didn't I? My mind said "vape"...my fingers head that subliminal "smoke".
 

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I put a label on each of mine with the date they moved into the freezer. If I get any new stuff it goes in behind what's already in there. Wow, that sounds so organized, but I have a freezer that takes planning before opening the door and involves wearing steel toed shoes. I have a side by side freezer that throws up on me when the door gets opened so all my bottles are wrapped in bubble wrap and they're kept on the bottom shelf/drawer. :facepalm:

Mom's house has a front door freezer that must be from the 70s. We started cleaning it out and actual found leftovers labeled with dates in the early 90s. The whole freezer is outta there as soon as we get back down there.

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Another question:
Is there any other reputable suppliers in China besides Fasttech

Always had good luck with Health Cabin. Don't think they have as large a selection as they used to though. www.healthcabin.com I think.

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Aren't Angelcigs and Focal both Chinese? I think so, but won't bet the farm on it. I haven't heard anything worse about them than I have FT. (did that sentence make sense?) :confused:

They both are but, Angelcigs ships out a warehouse in LA. They have the honor of having one of the worst websites I have ever seen. Hard to tell what they have or don't have.

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I'm at 18 right now. I got a couple of bottles of WTA at 24mg. I'm struggling like hell right now.

This has helped a lot of people:
Draw the vapor into your MOUTH, not lungs
This lets you taste it better
Then SLOWLY exhale it through your nose
This allows the larger nicotine molicules to absorbe through your mouth and nose membranes.
Atomized nicotine is, I think 10x larger than burnt, so not so much is absorbed in the lungs.

Repeat this two more times.

It may make you sneeze, but you will get the "rush" of that first cigarette of the day using this method

For all other times, mouth, THEN lungs, for the "smoke-like" feeling.

oh, yes... And try not to worry about what you are "missing" with not smoking. Concentrate on the vaping experience instead.
if you break down and HAVE to have a cigarette, it's ok... Many people have difficulty switching at first.
 
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I'm at 18 right now. I got a couple of bottles of WTA at 24mg. I'm struggling like hell right now.

Roto, I really struggled too. If it's really driving you up a wall, seriously driving you up a wall, have a cigarette. The long term goal is more important than the short term. Better to have one than lose all patience and simply go back to smoking full time. Most of us have been there and completely empathize. Hang in there!
 

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Roto, I really struggled too. If it's really driving you up a wall, seriously driving you up a wall, have a cigarette. The long term goal is more important than the short term. Better to have one than lose all patience and simply go back to smoking full time. Most of us have been there and completely empathize. Hang in there!

Also, don't be afraid to get 36mg/ml e-liquid. A report I read said that you need to go all the way up to 50mg/ml e-liquid to get the same blood nicotine levels puff-for-puff as you get from cigarettes. So, even at 24mg, you're still getting less nic when you vape as you're used to from smoking. That's part of the reason people tend to chain vape and generally vape more than they smoke when they're starting out.
 

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Also, don't be afraid to get 36mg/ml e-liquid. A report I read said that you need to go all the way up to 50mg/ml e-liquid to get the same blood nicotine levels puff-for-puff as you get from cigarettes. So, even at 24mg, you're still getting less nic when you vape as you're used to from smoking. That's part of the reason people tend to chain vape and generally vape more than they smoke when they're starting out.

:blink: I often chain vape too. I know they aren't sure how much nic you actually absorb when you vape but seriously, 50mg? I was reeling with 24mg. I only know one person that vapes 50mg on ECF. I'm sure there are others but I think I'd have a better change of being able to walk across the room after five shots of whiskey than I would after vaping 50mg.

Edit - 50mg, not 5mg, lol.
 
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:blink: I often chain vape too. I know they aren't sure how much nic you actually absorb when you vape but seriously, 50mg? I was reeling with 24mg. I only know one person that vapes 50mg on ECF. I'm sure there are others but I think I'd have a better change of being able to walk across the room after five shots of whiskey than I would after vaping 5mg.

I would say 50mg is a dangerous level to actually vape. I really haven't met anyone who regularly vapes over 24mg. I mix juice using 100mg and wear gloves to prevent skin contact. Not that I think it would kill me or anything but, I want to know how much I am absorbing. 50,g in the wrong hands could easily lead to nic poisoning.

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Finally getting caught up here and wanted to make sure I welcomed you! Glad to have you!



Hey, hey, hey, if you like what you're vaping who cares what anybody else thinks!!!



Maybe try something with some menthol in it? Some who were never menthol smokers found they sometimes like a menthol vape.



Mike used the WTA and that's what finally got him off the cigarettes. Evidently his brain was more dependent on it than I was, but even I noticed that I was more satisfied after vaping with the WTA. Only used it for a couple months and I only used it if I was having a stressful day.



Woohoo!! Knew you could do it!! Good for you!!


OK. What is WTA?
 

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I've got $10 on Miss Attitude to win. :D

Can I get some of that action?

Absolutely. I should have bet way more.

We arrived at a compromise. I will get her some plain tanks for her Orchids, and decorate them with nail decals sealed on with polish. She likes the idea of winning $10 for me.

I put a label on each of mine with the date they moved into the freezer. If I get any new stuff it goes in behind what's already in there. Wow, that sounds so organized, but I have a freezer that takes planning before opening the door and involves wearing steel toed shoes. I have a side by side freezer that throws up on me when the door gets opened so all my bottles are wrapped in bubble wrap and they're kept on the bottom shelf/drawer. :facepalm:
I'm going to wait. I have eight more bottles to use up. I might have enough bottles by the time I need more, to be able to get a larger bottle.
 
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:blink: I often chain vape too. I know they aren't sure how much nic you actually absorb when you vape but seriously, 50mg? I was reeling with 24mg. I only know one person that vapes 50mg on ECF. I'm sure there are others but I think I'd have a better change of being able to walk across the room after five shots of whiskey than I would after vaping 50mg.

Edit - 50mg, not 5mg, lol.

Here's a link to the report in Nature, by Dr. Farsalinos.

Abstract:
Dr. Farsalinos said:
A wide range of electronic cigarette (EC) devices, from small cigarette-like (first-generation) to new-generation high-capacity batteries with electronic circuits that provide high energy to a refillable atomizer, are available for smokers to substitute smoking. Nicotine delivery to the bloodstream is important in determining the addictiveness of ECs, but also their efficacy as smoking substitutes. In this study, plasma nicotine levels were measured in experienced users using a first- vs. new-generation EC device for 1 hour with an 18 mg/ml nicotine-containing liquid. Plasma nicotine levels were higher by 35–72% when using the new- compared to the first-generation device. Compared to smoking one tobacco cigarette, the EC devices and liquid used in this study delivered one-third to one-fourth the amount of nicotine after 5 minutes of use. New-generation EC devices were more efficient in nicotine delivery, but still delivered nicotine much slower compared to tobacco cigarettes. The use of 18 mg/ml nicotine-concentration liquid probably compromises ECs' effectiveness as smoking substitutes; this study supports the need for higher levels of nicotine-containing liquids (approximately 50 mg/ml) in order to deliver nicotine more effectively and approach the nicotine-delivery profile of tobacco cigarettes.

That said, I agree completely that working with higher-nic eliquid is dangerous, particularly if you ingest it, or get it on your skin and leave it there. The reason it's less dangerous when you vape it is that most of it is exhaled from your body in the vapor, instead of absorbed into your blood stream. But, you should also always be on the watch for signs of nicotine overdose (this is true for normal vaping as well). If you start feel dizzy, nauseous, get a headache, or get hiccups, those are all common symptoms of overdoing it. Stop at that point, and give your body a chance to catch up. But, from what I read, unless you drink the eliquid (and even very small quantities like 10ml can be fatal), you shouldn't have any long-term consequences.
 

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We arrived at a compromise. I will get her some plain tanks for her Orchids, and decorate them with nail decals sealed on with polish. She likes the idea of winning $10 for me.

Is Miss Attitude aware she will never ever get that tank if you win the bet? Did you tell her that part?
 

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But, you should also always be on the watch for signs of nicotine overdose (this is true for normal vaping as well). If you start feel dizzy, nauseous, get a headache, or get hiccups, those are all common symptoms of overdoing it.

Is that why I hiccup if I rub a little bit of juice on my gums?
 

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Is that why I hiccup if I rub a little bit of juice on my gums?

If this is a joke, then :)

If it's not a joke, then yes. When I chewed tobacco for a while (trying to quit smoking, that didn't work either), I would frequently get the hiccups from absorbing too much nicotine into my gums. I think it's way more dangerous to rub eliquid on your gums though, because the concentration of nicotine in eliquid is higher than in tobacco leaves (I don't know the exact numbers, though).
 

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I made a 30ml bottle of 30mg to get over the last few cigs. My normal vape level back then was 24mg during the day and 18mg at night. I only vaped it when the urges were just that strong, but it helped - back then I was using carts so it was easy to have one cart with that in it and exchange it for a few puffs and then back to my normal vape level. I only used it for a very short time to get over that big morning urge primarily...

Now I vape at 12 - 15mg and have gone down as low as 8mg for night vaping...
 

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Here's a link to the report in Nature, by Dr. Farsalinos.

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That said, I agree completely that working with higher-nic eliquid is dangerous, particularly if you ingest it, or get it on your skin and leave it there. The reason it's less dangerous when you vape it is that most of it is exhaled from your body in the vapor, instead of absorbed into your blood stream. But, you should also always be on the watch for signs of nicotine overdose (this is true for normal vaping as well). If you start feel dizzy, nauseous, get a headache, or get hiccups, those are all common symptoms of overdoing it. Stop at that point, and give your body a chance to catch up. But, from what I read, unless you drink the eliquid (and even very small quantities like 10ml can be fatal), you shouldn't have any long-term consequences.

Thank you for the article. Rolygate has an article somewhere--I've posted the link here before but have lost it at the moment--that ingesting 1,500mg of nic is not fatal. I do't know if that was Clark Kent who tried it or what but the fatal level seems to be much higher than they thought. Not advocating anyone ingest nic, especially larger doses. I'll see if I can dig up that article.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't thing absorbed into your bloodstream faster if you put it between your lip and gum?
 
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