Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Three

[Ken_A]

Mekc, where did you see this? I can't find it anywhere. The really weird part is I swear I posted this question once before and can't find it anywhere.

Oregon activist group
OFFICIAL WEBSITE State of Oregon electronic cigarette ban - ecigs ecigarette

My wife works for the city. I'd post up what she set me but I'm on my iPad and it doesn't want to copy! I'll get on the surface after dinner and see if I can get it up. Most of what I read had to do with flavors, targeting kids you know!

Senate Bill 415

My question is, who is voting these people into office? Better yet, who is not voting against them?

It's the 60% of voters that did not vote.

Here's the relevant portion:



Basically, I'm OK but new vapors are screwed. Can you write "screwed" here?

Time to train your dragons for the war

 

[clnire]

I REALLY don't get how they can legalize MJ but ban ecigs.

 

[DavidOck]

He didn't like the internal air flow controller......you have to unscrew it from the mod to get to the AFC, and his was very loose, sometimes when taking it on and off the mod, it would change the airflow.

He cut himself on the bottom edge, cuz it was really sharp.

He doesn't like having to undo a screw to fill it. He mentioned with the kfun that you could top fill, capture the air hole yada yada, but you couldn't do that with this one cuz you also have to hold the tank on, it doesn't screw on.

one of the screws (well all of em, just don't recall which one he was referring to) is very deep inside the wall of the bottom part, so you nearly need to have a magnetic screwdriver. and of course, the screwdriver that comes with it really doesn't work, but most of em don't far as I know.

Overall strong thumbs up though. Just some things he really didn't like, but mostly he did.

Hey you guys that use the Lemo do you prefer the full size or the drop

Well, the bottom edge is thin. No burrs on mine. And while top fill on a KF is always an option, the plug does work, so you can avoild the screw. The one that's deep inside is the fill screw, btw. Small hands might be an advantage - or use the plug.

Haven't used the Drop. I lean toward the bigger capacity toppers.

 

[Iffy]

Time to train your dragons Bushmasters for the war

Wha... me worry? Nawh, been on da 'lists' fer quite a while!

 

[MikeE3]

MJ legal / Ecigs illegal ...

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Time to train your dragons for the war

We're working on the toughest part right now, the polite smile.

Basically, I'm OK but new vapors are screwed. Can you write "screwed" here?

Yes. You can use .... and screwed. Go figure.

(There would be a lot fewer posts on ECF if you couldn't use either of those. "Just snuffed out the last little cigarette end thingy..." "Turn those threaded metal things in the spiral hole...")

 

[Iffy]

Yes. You can use .... and screwed. Go figure.

OK, let's try skippin' da conjunctive... .... screwed... <holdin' breath... so to speak>


ETA: OK, dat worked! Maybe it's a political poetic phreedom arrangement...

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Just now the local ABC news had a segment on increased upper respitory problems with people exposed to Vapor from " e cigarettes " there coming for us!
I'm not paranoid! They really are coming for us! Or maybe I am paranoid, but that doesn't change the fact that THERE COMING FOR US!!!

Upper respiratory problems? Are they aware that the main ingredient is used in asthma inhalers? I think the legislators have been sampling the new legal smoking material up there and got a bit carried away. What a bunch of paranoid crap. In the UK you will be able to get ecigs by prescription and over the counter. Meanwhile back in the states, we've voted puritans into office.

OK, let's try skippin' da conjunctive... .... screwed... <holdin' breath... so to speak>

Saved from exploding by an Iffy quip!

 

[PapaSloth]

Just emailed this to Senator Steiner Hayward:

Dear Senator Steiner Hayward,

I am a lifelong democrat who, like yourself, votes consistently along party lines. I am also a resident of your district, District 17. I was dismayed to learn that you are one of the sponsors of Oregon Senate Bill 415, which would make it illegal to sell flavored e-liquids or flavors used in e-liquids.

I was a smoker for 32 years. I tried most of the medically approved treatments to break that addition, including gums, patches, and quitting cold-turkey. I always ended up returning to smoking. Then, last summer, I bought my first personal vaporizer with a delicious caramel macchiato e-liquid. Since then, I haven't wanted a cigarette. My last cigarette was on the drive home from the Portland-based business where I contributed to the local economy by buying their products. My intent when I bought the vaporizing device and e-liquid was not to quit smoking, because I was utterly defeated and convinced that nothing could help me quit. However, I was surprised to find that when I was vaping, I had no desire for a cigarette. Vaping simply tastes better than smoking, and as long as it continues to do so, people will gladly switch from smoking to vaping.

Now, it seems that certain members of the Oregon Senate have decided that vaping should be as much like smoking as possible. Only tobacco and methol flavored e-liquids are to be available for adult smokers to purchase. This can only reduce the likelihood that current smokers will successfully transition to vaping, as I have done. It is ironic that in a state where it will soon be legal to buy an ounce of ........., it will be illegal to buy an ounce of strawberry flavoring, if your proposed "emergency" legislation passes. This legislation makes the Democratic Party appear to be out-of-touch with its constituency, and I find it personally embarrassing.

I urge you to reconsider this proposed legislation. It's bad for Oregonian business; it's bad for cigarette smokers who will be denied the opportunity to successfully transition to a less harmful alternative; it's bad for the Democratic Party; and it's bad for your legacy. Every week, more scientific evidence mounts that vaping is a viable alternative to smoking for many Americans. History will judge whether you are on the right side of this debate with SB 415.

Sincerely,
Name
Address

 

[PapaSloth]

It's the 60% of voters that did not vote.

More on this. Senator Steiner Hayward was never actually elected. She was appointed to fill the seat that Suzanne Bonamici resigned from. So, I can honestly say I didn't vote for her (but, I probably would have if she had been in the last election. Oops).

 

[PapaSloth]

(There would be a lot fewer posts on ECF if you couldn't use either of those. "Just snuffed out the last little cigarette end thingy..." "Turn those threaded metal things in the spiral hole...")

Good point! They can take our freedom, they can take our flavors, but they can never take our right to say screwed on ECF!

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Just emailed this to Senator Steiner Hayward:

That is a really great letter Sloth. I'm not sure which is more embarrassing; that they proposed this or that they think it's an emergency.

 

[Ken_A]

Just emailed this to Senator Steiner Hayward:

Um.... Yeeeeeah.....
Gonna be negative and say please post her response. If she bothers to respond.

The only viable option left for the vaping community is to band together and spawn a non-profit legal body dedicated to sueing the crap out of anyone who legislates, based on the lies, or who distributes the lies.

 

[PapaSloth]

That is a really great letter Sloth. I'm not sure which is more embarrassing; that they proposed this or that they think it's an emergency.

:smh: shaking my head.

 

[PapaSloth]

Um.... Yeeeeeah.....
Gonna be negative and say please post her response. If she bothers to respond.

The only viable option left for the vaping community is to band together and spawn a non-profit legal body dedicated to sueing the crap out of anyone who legislates, based on the lies, or who distributes the lies.

What, you mean to imply that an email from a voter doesn't have any effect on our elected officials? Shocking!

I'm sure I'll get standard form letter B-32/6 back. Officially signed with a photostatic image of Senator Steiner Hayward's signature as loving recreated by an intern.

 

[Debadoo]

Can I buy MJ flavor e-liquid? MJ is legal now. Can buy an ounce of that, but can't buy an ounce of TFA Strawberry. Makes perfect sense.

this is what chaps my ....

Well, the bottom edge is thin. No burrs on mine. And while top fill on a KF is always an option, the plug does work, so you can avoild the screw. The one that's deep inside is the fill screw, btw. Small hands might be an advantage - or use the plug.

Haven't used the Drop. I lean toward the bigger capacity toppers.

I think phil could cut himself on cotton!

Great letter sloth!! So they are trying to ban sales of the flavoring bottles also? I thought those were safe since they are designed as food flavorings. This whole thing is unbelievable!

 

[Debadoo]

I'm planning on getting a couple of these.....they can be regular RDA or BF RDA If anyone knows any reason I shouldn't, speak now or forever hold your peace! lol and........save some for me, I can't order til I get ahold of my son! lol

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[PapaSloth]

So they are trying to ban sales of the flavoring bottles also? I thought those were safe since they are designed as food flavorings. This whole thing is unbelievable!

Not entirely sure. I've read the text of the summary of the bill (which is all I have a link for at the moment), and it depends on a close reading of a few key phrases. It comes down to whether a flavor by itself is considered a "a substance in any form sold for the purpose of being vaporized or aerosolized." I would guess yes, when it's sold as a flavor for use in e-liquid.

All I can say is, I'm glad I bought a lot of 4oz bottles of TFA flavors, and I hope they last a long time.

 

[Kenna]

More on this. Senator Steiner Hayward was never actually elected. She was appointed to fill the seat that Suzanne Bonamici resigned from. So, I can honestly say I didn't vote for her (but, I probably would have if she had been in the last election. Oops).

Fantastic letter!

Good point! They can take our freedom, they can take our flavors, but they can never take our right to say screwed on ECF!

Screwed.

That is a really great letter Sloth. I'm not sure which is more embarrassing; that they proposed this or that they think it's an emergency.

It's more embarrassing that they aren't smart enough to do their own research & believe that the public is even less smart & believes the lies that they get paid off to tell. Anything for a campaign penny.

 

[Wolfenstark]

He didn't like the internal air flow controller......you have to unscrew it from the mod to get to the AFC, and his was very loose, sometimes when taking it on and off the mod, it would change the airflow.

He cut himself on the bottom edge, cuz it was really sharp.

He doesn't like having to undo a screw to fill it. He mentioned with the kfun that you could top fill, capture the air hole yada yada, but you couldn't do that with this one cuz you also have to hold the tank on, it doesn't screw on.

one of the screws (well all of em, just don't recall which one he was referring to) is very deep inside the wall of the bottom part, so you nearly need to have a magnetic screwdriver. and of course, the screwdriver that comes with it really doesn't work, but most of em don't far as I know.

Overall strong thumbs up though. Just some things he really didn't like, but mostly he did.

Some of PBusardos pros and cons in his video are rather minor and not applicable to everyone although he does basically say this.