Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Three

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I'd start about 7 watts with those coils, Slots. Then go up a half watt at a time until it starts to turn bad, then back off that last step.
Different flavors will take more or less heat than others, so no "rule" other than what tastes good.
WOW .. I just turned it up to "6" to test your theory.
BIG difference, also makes for a lot warmer vape.
Think I'll back it off a little, and work my way "up" ..yup, that big of a difference :shock:
Thanks, I didn't know for sure what would happen, and I didn't want to blow the coil.

Whoop's, after the second or third draw, it flashes "LO" at me, and shuts off ????
 
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One finger is like left click on mouse two finger is right click. You can scroll up down on pages - two fingers scroll up/down on the trackpad.

Now if I can just remember this........I'd asked my nephew, and he was telling me something about double tapping on the far right side of it, to scroll....I couldn't hardly ever make that work. And my son said you had to click in the lower right corner to do like a right click. I'm sure some are different, but the things I left in the quote both worked for me! Got so frustrated, I just plugged in my son's little laptop mouse that I'd been using on my computer for a mouse. It was driving me nuts to try to scroll on this thing before I plugged in the mouse.
 

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Did another spaced coil
26g 2.5mm 1.3Ω

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Its going good. The one from the other day - started getting a loud pop , plus I wanted to try again.
 

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Now if I can just remember this........I'd asked my nephew, and he was telling me something about double tapping on the far right side of it, to scroll....I couldn't hardly ever make that work. And my son said you had to click in the lower right corner to do like a right click. I'm sure some are different, but the things I left in the quote both worked for me! Got so frustrated, I just plugged in my son's little laptop mouse that I'd been using on my computer for a mouse. It was driving me nuts to try to scroll on this thing before I plugged in the mouse.

Not for an apple , you can click and scroll anywhere on the touchpad.
There are also gestures for three and four fingers.
You can set up hot corners where you swipe to any of the four corners and it does a thing you've entered like ship bottom left corner my screen saver comes on , top left corner shows desktop, bottom right corner sleep , top right corner launchpad for apps.

ETA- one finger up and down moves the cursor up and down. Two fingers up and down scrolls the page up and down.
 

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OK David
Found the secret, and all is going better now.
Thanks for the advice.
I was happy just plugging along, testing my flavorings, at all the same settings, but now things are tasting different so ??? more experimenting going to happen.
I used to change the settings with the spinners, etc., just never thought about it with the bigger mods .... duh !!
Just when you think you know it all .. :facepalm:
 

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WOW .. I just turned it up to "6" to test your theory.
BIG difference, also makes for a lot warmer vape.
Think I'll back it off a little, and work my way "up" ..yup, that big of a difference :shock:
Thanks, I didn't know for sure what would happen, and I didn't want to blow the coil.

Whoop's, after the second or third draw, it flashes "LO" at me, and shuts off ????

Low battery. Time to switch to a new one.
 

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Today is Vaping Awareness Day!!

I started smoking in the 1980s when I joined the Army. Smokers got two extra breaks back then.
After Basic Training, I switched to a pipe because I liked the flavor better.
Then after 25 years, I was waking myself up with that wheezing sound you get lying on your side and had to sit up and cough really hard to clear it out.
I started looking to quit or switch to something else. Heard about vaping, but e-pipes were expensive and didn’t work well. The Government and many organizations funded by large pharmaceutical companies confused the issue by trying to tell me that vaping was worse than smoking.
In October 2012, I started finding ones I could try without breaking the bank or the device so I got a one in the mail on Friday November 2.
I’m one of the lucky ones. I immediately replaced smoking with vaping.
I have more energy now, and do not lose my breath walking down the street.
I noticed a large reduction in muscle stiffness and no longer sound like a breakfast cereal when I get up in the morning.
My sense of smell and taste are like they were when I was a boy. My skin is no longer ashy, and my blood pressure is now normal.
 

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Janet do they even have diaper services anymore. They were pretty cool in their day. Just save up your dirty one and they would drop off clean ones once a week.

I remember those, but don't know if they still have them. We never used a service. Those pins sure did come in handy for lots of things though. So many young people are into organic and special detergents etc that I don't know how popular they'd be. This whole diaper thing is all new to me - you'd think I'd never had children or had them back in the stone age and it was only 34 years ago.

And to keep the post vape related -
The talk about the nose oil made me wonder if it would be good for getting the wick material into a point for threading wicks through coils. You cut off that end anyway so there's no chance of vaping it. (I'm still trying to get used to the idea of nose oil being good for anything other than washing off...)
 

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WOW .. I just turned it up to "6" to test your theory.
BIG difference, also makes for a lot warmer vape.
Think I'll back it off a little, and work my way "up" ..yup, that big of a difference :shock:
Thanks, I didn't know for sure what would happen, and I didn't want to blow the coil.

Whoop's, after the second or third draw, it flashes "LO" at me, and shuts off ????

Dang, that's what I get for going to bed at 10.... :)

Yep, low battery, as already mentioned.

Going in small steps will keep you from blowing the coil or burning the wick. The "last" step, when you start to notice it going south, isn't (usually) going to be big enough do do damage. And also yep, just like a Spinner, start low and work up to taste.

Maybe it's because of all the talk about VW being "automatic". But darn it, it doesn't automatically adjust to what I like! I have to tell it first :laugh:
Did another spaced coil
26g 2.5mm 1.3Ω

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Its going good. The one from the other day - started getting a loud pop , plus I wanted to try again.

Very nice coils, Wolf. Seems there's a variety of things that may cause popping. Hot spots / legs can since they're effectively hotter than the rest of the coil, and can boil juice faster. Although sometimes I'll just live with it :)
 

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When you burn stuff, you get formaldehyde. It's just carbon, hydrogen and oxygen, same elements as in your wick and your juice.

It came from the burning wick. I also read an article on overheating VG causes a substance that is very bad for you called acrolein The boiling point for VG is 290C. This is a long read but pretty informative.

PG - VG - PEG

There are three possible base carrier liquids in use for e-liquid (the refill liquid used in electronic cigarettes): PG, VG, and PEG.

PG is the most common, usually with a proportion of VG as that produces more vapor. PEG is more common in pre-filled cartomizers. These basic ingredients, mostly inert or with no major human-related function, are also called diluents or excipients. They are used for several reasons:
- They are effective solvents for other ingredients such as flavorings, and disperse them well in the aerosol produced;
- They produce a visible fog effect that replicates smoke but at very little temperature elevation, and therefore strongly add to the cigarette replication function of the system (and are the same materials used in fog machines, which have decades of safe use);
- They are completely non-toxic and in some cases have 70 years' safe medicinal usage history and research. Intolerance to any one of these diluents is unusual, and severe intolerance is rare; one of the alternatives can be used instead. (Virtually all materials considered safe for human consumption will produce intolerance in a small number of individuals.)
- Chemically, they are all (types of) alcohol, as can be seen from the suffix -ol that each has. They are not oils. Inhalation of alcohols has no specific effect on the lungs. For example, inhalation of alcohols has never been shown to cause lipoid pneumonia (as has been alleged by opponents); an entirely new effect currently unknown to medical science would first need to be shown.


1. PG or propylene glycol or propane-1,2, diol
Glycols are alcohols, not oils. The non-toxic types such as PG have no inhalation concerns, and are widely used in medicines for inhalation (and it has been for 70 years without issue).
PG presents flavors well and has the best TH of the three choices.
It is the most common refill liquid base material, normally used with 10% to 30% VG.
It is virtually inert in the body and can even be injected into the bloodstream without effect - it is used as the carrier liquid for injection of immiscible drugs like diazepam (that do not mix with water).
It is a powerful bactericide and virucide, and has been used in hospital air spray projects. It is reported to kill all airborne pathogens at only 1ppm.
It is commonly used as the antibacterial water treatment agent in large building airconditioning plant, for its bactericidal/virucidal properties; because it has a very low freezing point; is cheap to manufacture at industrial grade; and because the inevitable inhalation resulting is harmless.
There is a large body of research on it going back 70 years that proves it is safe for inhalation.
PG is usually the main ingredient in disco fog machine refill liquids. Due to strict employee health regulations that cannot be subverted, it is approved as safe for extended high-volume exposure for employees in discos, theatres and bars.
PG has been used for decades as an excipient in inhalable medicines. Some of its common uses are in asthma inhalers, in the nebulizers used by lung transplant patients, and inhalable treatments for patients with lung diseases. It is used in inhalation therapies for patients with the most delicate lung conditions and in the most fragile health.
Because it is made from non-organic sources (via synthetic processes) allergies are not believed possible although some experience reactions; the most common is a drying-out effect on the throat. Significant drying of the throat is reported by some (>1 in 100, <1 in 10), and for some the effect is painful. It is reported to pass with time. [Note also that cessation of smoking produces a painfully dry throat for some. The two conditions may, rarely, combined to produce a painfully sore throat for an unfortunate few.] A few experience other effects although these might be due to use of non-pharmaceutical grade materials; in a small number of cases there are strong reactions such as skin issues (thought to be around 1 in 1,000 or less).


A note on MSDS warnings
MSDS cautions are often quoted because they appear alarming, but it needs to be clearly understood that these are produced for transport and storage regulations, where firefighters or employees may be exposed to massive overdoses (read: immersion for extended periods or similar). Note for comparison the MSDS for water, salt etc., which also have the same cautions ('irritant to the eyes and lungs', and similar). The MSDS has no relevance for materials licensed for pharmaceutical, food and cosmetic use since the material is obviously safe for all uses, all purposes, and all forms of consumption. PG can be injected, inhaled and ingested (and is fully licensed for all those uses) with no observable effect on health. Where a material has multiple licenses for all forms of use in pharmaceuticals, and additionally has LD50 quantities either not stated or in the multiple-gallon range (as for all the materials on this page), the MSDS should be ignored.


2. VG or vegetable glycerine or glycerol or propane-1,2,3, triol
Glycerol is an alcohol, not an oil. There are no inhalation concerns, and glycerol (glycerine, glycerin) is widely used in medicines for inhalation.
VG produces more vapor than PG.
It produces less TH and does not present flavors as well.
VG is an alternative carrier liquid, though more commonly used as an additive to PG liquids.
It is more viscous (thick) than PG. If used as the sole base material, it will need diluting with 10% - 20% DW (distilled water). Other diluents include alcohol; EM (ethyl maltol) may also be added.
VG can be made in around five different ways, and for this reason there are a number of people who may have an allergy or intolerance for one or more brands. It can be made from animal or vegetable sources, or as a byproduct of biodiesel production, or synthesized and made in a similar way to PG and PEG, from other chemicals. Vegetable sources include coconut oil and palm oil.
It is thought that glycerine produced as a by-product from biodiesel production should not be used for inhalation, since it is more likely than any other type to be contaminated by the toxic phorbol esters of the Jatropha plant, increasingly used in biodiesel production [1].
VG is bacteriostatic, that is it does not support growth; preservatives such as sulphites may be added to it to prevent microbial deterioration within the water content, and therefore there are questions such as whether the additives (or contaminants) are the cause of occasional intolerance (which is far less common than intolerance to PG).
There is less research on inhalation. It is thought to be less inert than PG, and to be treated by the body as a complex carbohydrate - that is, metabolized by being broken down into carbohydrates then used/excreted. However, Dow Chemical make all grades of all these products, and advise that their pharma grade synthetic glycerine is the best choice of all their products for inhalation, and it is supplied to pharmaceutical companies for that purpose. Glycerine is therefore used as the base for inhalable medicines and has multiple licences for inhalation.
Glycerine is replacing PG as the excipient in inhalable medicines (i.e. as the main diluent). This may be because there are less problems with throat / windpipe dehydration. There is a suggestion that it may be less suitable than PG for inhalation by those with lungs severely compromised by smoking-related diseases, as it may be less easily absorbed by the lungs, and unlike PG it has no antibacterial/antiviral action.


3. PEG or polyethylene glycol
Glycols are alcohols, not oils. The non-toxic types such as PEG have no inhalation concerns.
PEG is said to present flavors better than any other base liquid.
It is the least common carrier liquid.
It can be made in many different formulations, the one used for e-liquid is called PEG400.
This formulation appears to be chosen as it has the right viscosity, as PEG can be thinner, thicker, or even in the form of a wax or powder.
As far as we know there is little research on inhalation but it cannot be toxic as it is used in foods and medicines. For example it is used as the main ingredient in a very large number of laxatives, where it is supplied in the form of a powder, with electrolytes, for mixing to a drink that has a safe laxative effect.
Because it handles flavors so well it is used by several of the major cartomizer-only (2-piece ecig) firms that mainly sell to first-time buyers, as it works well in cartos.
We think it comprises 1% or less of bottled eliquid sales volume but it is far higher in the pre-filled carto market - perhaps as much as 33%.
PEG is the most likely of all the three base materials to be contaminated with DEG as the manufacturing process can be carried out using the same equipment, so there is a risk of cross-contamination.


Uses
All these base liquids are used in medicinal preparations of one sort or another, and are considered non-toxic. They are all used in foods, skin creams and some (if not all) in medical inhalers, so any MSDS warnings can be completely ignored. PG for example is used as the mist carrier in nebulizers for lung transplant patients, so it can be assumed that it is as harmless as it is possible for a material to be in the human body.

PG
Propylene glycol can be used to make an expensive, non-toxic antifreeze - for example, to make it less dangerous to livestock or pets (who will lap up antifreeze due to the slightly sweet taste), and for winterizing boat and RV lavatory systems that may have human contact by touch or inhalation. PG is used for this purpose because it has a very low freezing point, is non-toxic, and is cheaper or more acceptable than other options (such as alcohols).

Many glycols have antifreeze applications due to their very low freezing point and cheapness at industrial grade (i.e. with some degree of contaminants). Some glycols are toxic, some are non-toxic. The types that are toxic for animals and humans tend to be cheaper (like DEG), the non-toxic types are more expensive (like PG). Basically any/every glycol has been used as an antifreeze. There is 70 years of experience with glycols in medical and industrial uses, for example:
a. PG was used extensively in hospital ward aerosol trials to reduce infection in the 1940s. The only observed effect after years of continuous trials was that bacterial and viral infections in treated wards was reduced by 95%. This is now redundant because large buildings have their aircon plant treated with PG and the effect is presumably building-wide.
b. Aircraft engines in WW2 used glycols for antifreeze and engines of all types still do.

There is a vast amount of practical experience and research on PG going back 70 years. Any 'new trial' is both (a) pointless, given the quantity of data available; and (b) possibly agenda-based for some reason. There is enough research and usage data to know exactly what the health issues are: essentially non-existent for temporary high-volume use and permanent low-volume use. Ongoing high-volume use is not researched but the e-cigarette user population will provide this data; thus far (approaching a decade of presence on the market, ~10 million users at this point: Q2 2013) there appears to be no issue.

PG is not 'antifreeze' - it is a chemical that is virtually inert to humans while exhibiting all the properties needed in an antifreeze: very low freezing point, antibacterial, and cheap to make at industrial grade. It is more expensive than 'ordinary' antifreeze, which is toxic, and PG is therefore only used for applications where human or animal contact is likely, since it is completely non-toxic. Therefore it can be used as a winterizing antifreeze for boat and RV lavatory systems, where some human contact may be possible; and for applications close to livestock. If something is used as the carrier for medicines in lung-transplant patients' nebulizers, and the base for injected medicines that do not mix with water, it is reasonable to assume that there are few things less toxic.

It seems that because PG is now used in the air-conditioning plants of large buildings to kill pathogens and act as an antifreeze, the incidence of Legionnaire's Disease is now lower. And, since the pathogens that cause the disease can obviously migrate from the air-con cooling water into the airspace of large buildings, it also seems likely that PG is present in the airspace, as it is notably well dispersed as an aerosol. Thus, people in large buildings may breathe PG, at very low concentrations.

Glycerine
VG has been widely used in inhalable medicines since 2000. The terms glycerine or glycerol are more accurate now than the term 'VG' that was introduced for the excipient as used in e-cigarette refills in the early days; at that time, the two main sources were vegetable or animal, and the vegetable type was the preferred option. Today the best option is synthetic pure glycerine as this will have the least possible safety issues. This is the type supplied for use in inhaled pharmaceuticals, a typical brand is Dow Optim. It is not as widely available as vegetable glycerine though (it is reportedly available in containers down to 4-gallon size in the US).

There are two safety questions concerning VG that do not affect the other two liquids:
1. Biodiesel by-product glycerine must not be used for inhalation due to the risk of contamination by the phorbol esters of the Jatropha plant; apparently these carcinogens are difficult to test for.
2. If heated sufficiently, glycerine can degrade into acrolein, which is toxic. However all tests so far indicate that, although it is theoretically possible, this does not happen in a regular e-cigarette.

Acrolein was not detected in tests carried out by Intellicig. The hypothesis is that if the temperature within an atomizer can rise sufficiently high to produce acrolein, there would be no liquid left to convert (an atomizer being a liquid-cooled heating element). Also, the addition of other ingredients such as water may lower the boiling point enough that the VG boils off before any acrolein can be created. In addition, negative pressure within the atomizer or cartomizer body also has a cooling effect. Acrolein has a strong, characteristic odor so would be noticed if in large amounts.

We know less about PEG although it seems, so far, to be inert in the body.


DEG
Diethylene glycol is one of the many glycols, and toxic to humans and animals. It is a poison that kills by damaging the liver and kidneys among other effects. It is similar to PG and PEG in appearance, taste and characteristics, and it is produced in the same way from similar raw materials and as a by-product of similar manufacturing processes, although PEG seems especially implicated. It is therefore likely to be found in any materials of this type due to poor manufacturing controls or cross-contamination - for example, using drums for PEG400 that previously contained DEG. For this reason it is the main contaminant that should be tested for.

Because PEG is more likely than the others to be contaminated with DEG, and because pre-filled cartomizers are the main area of use for PEG, it follows that such cartos need testing more than other materials. Note however that (a) significant quantities would need to be consumed before this type of toxin has a measurable effect, and it is probably quite likely that consuming a number of contaminated cartos would not reach anywhere near this amount; (b) it is unclear whether any/all of the DEG contaminant in the (very small number of) tested items that have showed such contamination would transfer from the liquid into the vapor, and one test seems to indicate that a 1% DEG contamination of PEG liquid in a carto is not measurable in the vapor; and therefore (c) you would actually need to drink the contents of many cartos before there is any risk. This is not a practical route to poisoning.

The FDA was formed in 1938 as a direct result of a wide-scale poisoning incident in 1937 in which more than a hundred people died after a large quantity of DEG was used in a patent medicine.


Additional Clarifications
Because this post is addressed to both consumers and manufacturers, there may be some confusion about the way a specific issue should be interpreted by either. This post has some clarifications about differentiating between the type of buyer:

Buying Glycerine: consumer or manufacturer?



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[1] The FDA have warned about the use of biodiesel by-product glycerine in medicines, because of the risk of toxic contaminants. At present it seems difficult (perhaps very difficult) for either the FDA or industry to identify the toxic phorbol esters as testing is reported to be problematic.
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Yikes my Vapor Shark and Lemo's are out for delivery today. Got a busy day so hopefully I will get to a build this afternoon. I am going to shoot for a .2 ohm build with 50/50 juice. Will try 390 first. Hopefully no hot legs, Mike gave me the idea with the twisted 32awg NI200 and it seems to work really well for coiling. Pretty easy to work with. NI200 is so soft by itself unless you use a 26 or 28 awg but then you have to go about 12 wraps to get a decent resistance above .1 this is going to be like starting all over again. Someone was talking about 24awg but it take a crazy amoutn of wraps to get any kind of resistance.
 
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Yep - I keep thinking about getting one to charge NiCads but we've already got 4 battery chargers.



Yep again - I know about the 1.22 volts vs: 1.5 volts. Some google research actually returned some users of the Magic Mouse reporting the 1.22's don't work regardless that Apple says their mouse works with rechargeable batts. Apple even sells their own brand of rechargeable batts and charger.

Of course they do. No surprised at all and they probably state that their stuff is not guaranteed to work with any other batteries. That's one of the problems I have with Apple. Their stuff is really good but, they lock into their world and really don't play nice with others if you know what I mean.

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That's awesome. I've seen some people do some amazing things on ECF for other members. Really touching.

Cavenerd gave me an IPV3 for which I can't thank him enough. It was a wonderful gift from one Navy chief to another and a really nice mod. It is now my daily vape and working great.

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Today is Vaping Awareness Day!!

I started smoking in the 1980s when I joined the Army. Smokers got two extra breaks back then.
After Basic Training, I switched to a pipe because I liked the flavor better.
Then after 25 years, I was waking myself up with that wheezing sound you get lying on your side and had to sit up and cough really hard to clear it out.
I started looking to quit or switch to something else. Heard about vaping, but e-pipes were expensive and didn’t work well. The Government and many organizations funded by large pharmaceutical companies confused the issue by trying to tell me that vaping was worse than smoking.
In October 2012, I started finding ones I could try without breaking the bank or the device so I got a one in the mail on Friday November 2.
I’m one of the lucky ones. I immediately replaced smoking with vaping.
I have more energy now, and do not lose my breath walking down the street.
I noticed a large reduction in muscle stiffness and no longer sound like a breakfast cereal when I get up in the morning.
My sense of smell and taste are like they were when I was a boy. My skin is no longer ashy, and my blood pressure is now normal.

Yep I remember when I was in the Army you got a pack in your C rations with I think either 4 or 5 smokes in them. Never knew what brand you would get. If it wasn't yours you tried a trade with someone.
 

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"Pure Glycerin freezes at 62.6 degrees Fahrenheit."
Does Glycerin Freeze? | eHow
which tells me that VG will freeze


What Is Vegetable Glycerin? (with pictures)


I know that Propylene glycol freezes at a lower temp than water because it is used to lower the freezing point of water.

Propylene Glycol based Heat-Transfer Fluids
I cannot make sense of the statement that VG freezes at 64 degrees. That statement is repeated on other websites as well. I can assure you, VG will remain a liquid in your freezer. It will be thicker than it is at room temperature, but it will not turn into a solid. I've had pure VG in my freezer, and I've got 2 liters of 100 mg/ml nicotine in 100% VG in there now, that have been there for months, at zero degrees F.

Before ethylene glycol came around, VG was what was used as automotive antifreeze. According to Wikipedia, it is being reconsidered for automotive use since it is not toxic, even though its freezing point is not as low as ethylene glycol's freezing point.
 
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Wow, thank you 2legs! That article on PG, VG and all is very interesting. May I copy it into a document for future reference? Can't find it again, but somewhere in there I read about PG can cause throat irritation? drying? and VG can chest congestion? (my interpretation). I find this interesting because it explains why PG irritates my throat and drys my mouth out so bad (and believe me, I drink water!!) I am better with more VG. Doesn't bother my throat and I can quench the dryness much easier. It also explains why for some people more VG tends to give them chest congestion, a "heavy feeling in my lungs", etc.

Thank you 2legs! :toast:
 

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Wow, thank you 2legs! That article on PG, VG and all is very interesting. May I copy it into a document for future reference? Can't find it again, but somewhere in there I read about PG can cause throat irritation? drying? and VG can chest congestion? (my interpretation). I find this interesting because it explains why PG irritates my throat and drys my mouth out so bad (and believe me, I drink water!!) I am better with more VG. Doesn't bother my throat and I can quench the dryness much easier. It also explains why for some people more VG tends to give them chest congestion, a "heavy feeling in my lungs", etc.

Thank you 2legs! :toast:

Legs' article can be found here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/177551-pg-vg-peg.html

Also, from Wiki:

Like ethylene glycol and propylene glycol, glycerol is a non-ionic kosmotrope that forms strong hydrogen bonds with water molecules, competing with water-water hydrogen bonds. This disrupts the crystal lattice formation of ice unless the temperature is significantly lowered. The minimum freezing point temperature is at about −36 °F / −37.8 °C corresponding to 70% glycerol in water.

Glycerol was historically used as an anti-freeze for automotive applications before being replaced by ethylene glycol, which has a lower freezing point. While the minimum freezing point of a glycerol-water mixture is higher than an ethylene glycol-water mixture, glycerol is not toxic and is being re-examined for use in automotive applications.[17][18]

In the laboratory, glycerol is a common component of solvents for enzymatic reagents stored at temperatures below 0 °C due to the depression of the freezing temperature. It is also used as a cryoprotectant where the glycerol is dissolved in water to reduce damage by ice crystals to laboratory organisms that are stored in frozen solutions, such as bacteria, nematodes, and mammalian embryos. Glycerol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Guessing the "Pure Glycerin freezes at 62.6 degrees Fahrenheit." is actually the melting point but had a horrible night's sleep so don't trust me on that.
 
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Yep I remember when I was in the Army you got a pack in your C rations with I think either 4 or 5 smokes in them. Never knew what brand you would get. If it wasn't yours you tried a trade with someone.

I remember when I was a small child and they used to serve you a warm meal on a flight and it came with those little packs of cigarettes.
 
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