Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Three

[Kenna]

lol that money thing cracked me up

Sounds like you have money & think we are joking. You little Porch virgin, you! Now give us an idea of what you think you want but are denying yourself for some responsible reason so we can give you 50 websites with really good prices to talk you right out of being at all responsible.

 

[Debadoo]

I can understand people spending $200000 on a Ferrari but some of these atomisers at their prices seem ridiculous.

I don't understand folks spending 200K on a ferrari Or the price of some of these atties.

63 here this april, how can I join your group? vaping since 2010

grab a rocker of choice.....(purple recliner is mine)...... sumpin to drink......put yur feet up and tell us about yurself!!

... usually gets promoted and a pay rai$e!

I shoulda worked where you did! Where I worked, it was the lazy jerks who didn't do their job, but schmoozed the boss that got promoted. As Bells said, the hard workers, just got more work to do!

Nice avi legs, but I liked the other one too.

 

[Ken_A]

I got mine 2 days ago, changed the battery when it shut off..seems like when it gets to about 20%, it goes done quick..didn't think to check voltage...as far as I can tell, there's not any way to change from percentage to actual voltage left..the thing is really heavy but my only real complaint is the power button, small and hard to fire..other than that, I like it...not much help but couldn't find anything else on the voltage..

Absolutely wild speculation here... 3.4 volts.

Guessing the low voltage shut off is 3.2, and nominal fresh off charge is 4.2. So a 1 volt range. 0.2 is 20% of that.

Can't believe they'd "calibrate" it to be near the death voltage of the battery... unless maybe the chip maker owns stock in one of the battery plants

Mine got down to 10% twice now... when I take the battery out and put it in another mod, it says 3.5 left... most of mine cut off at 3.4
but I calculate 10% as .42 volts... which is WAY too low... maybe I have a defective one, or maybe because it's saying it starts at 100%, I need to calculate based on that...
4.2 = 100%
3.5 = ?

4.2 / .01 = .042
so 3.4 x .0428 = .147, and I should change battery at 14%?

 

[FlamingoTutu]

I have never ordered from FT and from what I have seen the stress isn't worth the few dollars you save.

What stress? By the time I get a FT order I've completely forgotten what I ordered. It's like Christmas all over again. Y'know, stuff I didn't know I needed but wouldn't want to live without. Always adore an avatar with a happy pup in it! BTW Legs, did you see the story about the Rottweiler that had four paws amputated because his flippin' owner left him out in the cold? His new owner was able to crowd source (correct term?) him the funds to to get four prognostic legs so he could walk, run and play again. Pretty inspiring. Well, okay, I cried like a girl.

My tolerance for stupidity is waning daily.

(based on events of the day)

On the bright side, the KST Mini and Lemo are performing admirably. I shifted back to th 1.2Ω OCC --- and 0nic0flavor (0N0F).

Those premixes I bought a couple weekends ago SUCK, and I'm slam-out of anything I like.

My wife says I need some nic? Hell, who knows?

Dude, hate to say it, but go suck nic no matter how bad it tastes. You can vape through this.

The best chance to avoid stupidity is to be alone.
Between intentional and unintentional its almost impossible to avoid.

Wolf, get a grip. My best chance is to not be alone.

Form was pretty quik for me. Of course, don't take me all day to do a dayz werk.

If one or two of you would like to encourage more to take the survey, I'd appreciate it if you'd post on this thread. Yeah, it's mine, but I just really want more people to take the survey because the information is put to good use.

... usually gets promoted and a pay rai$e!

Oh, good one Wanted!

 

[FlamingoTutu]

63 here this april, how can I join your group? vaping since 2010

Rthom, Joining is the easy part. They just don't let anyone leave. Alive.

Vaping for five years, congratulations! That makes you one of the Venerable Guinea Pigs! Thank you so much for testing out that horrid, antique crap once used as cutting-edge vaping gear. Just so you know, fish filters, tea bags, flashlights, tailpiping, etc., are no longer accepted as the norm in here. Everything else goes. A hearty welcome to the porches to you!

 

[bigbells]

O.K., Wanted. Whatever you choose to call yourself, is good for me!

On topic: does anyone else have one of these S-Body mods? I love the squonker openings, but I see the battery in %, not voltage left... Is there a way to change that?
Or maybe someone knows what % is time to change battery?

Absolutely wild speculation here... 3.4 volts.

Guessing the low voltage shut off is 3.2, and nominal fresh off charge is 4.2. So a 1 volt range. 0.2 is 20% of that.

Can't believe they'd "calibrate" it to be near the death voltage of the battery... unless maybe the chip maker owns stock in one of the battery plants

Mine got down to 10% twice now... when I take the battery out and put it in another mod, it says 3.5 left... most of mine cut off at 3.4
but I calculate 10% as .42 volts... which is WAY too low... maybe I have a defective one, or maybe because it's saying it starts at 100%, I need to calculate based on that...
4.2 = 100%
3.5 = ?

4.2 / .01 = .042
so 3.4 x .0428 = .147, and I should change battery at 14%?

Yes, chips that display remaining battery life as a percentage are basing that percentage on the cut-off voltage that is incorporated into the same chip. There's no reason to believe that your mod is defective, Ken.

Yes, recharging the battery when it shows 14% is going to result in more total battery life than if you wait until the battery will no longer fire the mod, which is 0%, which is equal to whatever the cut-off voltage is that's built into the chip. But going down that road is somewhat of a wild goose chase, because recharging the battery when the percentage is, let's say, 25%, will result in yet more total battery life.

By "total battery life" what I mean is the total amount of time that the battery can be used, or total number of tokes that it will give you, over the course of time before the battery is, using the technical term, kaput.

To continue the wild goose chase, it's also a fact that if you pull the battery from the charger before it is fully charged to 4.2 volts, the same phenomenon occurs. A battery which is charged only to 4.0 volts will give you more tokes over the life of the battery than a battery which is charged to 4.2 volts.

Bottom line is that the chips in today's variable devices and the amount of charge given by today's chargers do a very good job of combining good amounts of battery life protection with good amounts of use per charge. Actual death voltage of these batteries is, to the best of my understanding, somewhere around 2.5 volts, so when the cut-off occurs at 3.2 or 3.3 volts (I've personally never known of a device which used 3.4 volts) there's still plenty of margin even if you always use your battery until it reaches 0%.

The above things I've learned mainly from Matt, Sloth and Battery University, unless I've said something incorrect, which I don't think I have.

 

[Debadoo]

If one or two of you would like to encourage more to take the survey, I'd appreciate it if you'd post on this thread. Yeah, it's mine, but I just really want more people to take the survey because the information is put to good use.

Did you mean to post a link to the thread here, or did I miss something?

 

[MikeE3]

63 here this april, how can I join your group? vaping since 2010

Welcome to the porch rthom. 5 years vaping and you haven't been here yet? Where ya been, vaping in a vacuum?

Welcome to the Porches rThom! Nothing required to joi us, just pick a view for your part of the Porches, pick a beverage, a juice, a mod, & your favorite seat in which to park your tail & yap away! I'm late jumping on tonight, so late with your welcome.

I've been fighting a KFL tonight. AllPepper told me about lining up the dual airholes on these EHPro dual airflow with the holce in the center pin. In the adjusting I've messed up & can't get the holes lned up all the way across & still have the positive post tight to the base & not touching the negative post. I think I need someone stronger than I am to tighten the post enough to line it all up & tighten that positive post. It's pretty twirly right now. (that's a technical term, somebody think up an acronym for it, please.)
I decided to distract myself from worrying about my truck with a don't worry, be happy shiney thingy. I've been known to shop when I get really stressed. So I hit the Hana site & found Blems hidden under the catagory "Specials". Assuming that meant me because I needed to feel a little special, I grabbed a green mini v3 pac 30W for 79.00. Surprised I got it as fast as I did. Love the color! My Hana's are the only colored mods I have, the others are all black or the one MVP2 that's silver. Now that I actually spent monies on something besides the truck, or Dr's all I have to do is wait for that to bite me in the hind end. But for the moment really liking my pretty little mod & some really good Cotto's Revenge. Contemplating the thought that if this one makes me feel this good, then how much better would I feel if I sent the one I killed in to get fixed?

I just got one of the dual air hole KFL's from Ehpro but I didn't totally take it apart to clean it before using it. Sorry can't give you a hint on putting it back together w/ the air holes lined up. I'll try to remember to look into it - when I get around to totally taking it apart.

Mine got down to 10% twice now... when I take the battery out and put it in another mod, it says 3.5 left... most of mine cut off at 3.4
but I calculate 10% as .42 volts... which is WAY too low... maybe I have a defective one, or maybe because it's saying it starts at 100%, I need to calculate based on that...
4.2 = 100%
3.5 = ?

4.2 / .01 = .042
so 3.4 x .0428 = .147, and I should change battery at 14%?

I'd think you'd have to know at what 'low' voltage the chip 'defines' as 0% charge left. Does it define 0% at 3.4V? 3.2V? 2.5V? God forbid it - it (the chip) considers 0V - as 0% charge left.

 

[DavidOck]

Welcome to the Porches rThom! Nothing required to joi us, just pick a view for your part of the Porches, pick a beverage, a juice, a mod, & your favorite seat in which to park your tail & yap away! I'm late jumping on tonight, so late with your welcome.

I've been fighting a KFL tonight. AllPepper told me about lining up the dual airholes on these EHPro dual airflow with the hole in the center pin. In the adjusting I've messed up & can't get the holes lined up all the way across & still have the positive post tight to the base & not touching the negative post. I think I need someone stronger than I am to tighten the post enough to line it all up & tighten that positive post. It's pretty twirly right now. (that's a technical term, somebody think up an acronym for it, please.)

Not really understanding this, Kenna. The dual intake KFLs have the intake around the base, and the air then goes up the center hole, so alignment isn't an issue. Perhaps Pepper was talking about some dual COIL device, where the chimney holes do need to align so the air goes across the coils? I know that's the case on my one lonely dripper.

The positive post MUST be snug and not move. Problems WILL happen if it shifts!

Mine got down to 10% twice now... when I take the battery out and put it in another mod, it says 3.5 left... most of mine cut off at 3.4
but I calculate 10% as .42 volts... which is WAY too low... maybe I have a defective one, or maybe because it's saying it starts at 100%, I need to calculate based on that...
4.2 = 100%
3.5 = ?

4.2 / .01 = .042
so 3.4 x .0428 = .147, and I should change battery at 14%?

Legs has it right Cut-off voltage may vary a bit depending on the mod, but I can't see anything less than about 3.2, which is what most of the teeennny manuals for mine all say. (That old lighted magnifier has many uses ) And the bottom end, like the top, will go faster than the middle. 4.2 will drop to 4.0/3.9 pretty fast, then stay above about 3.6 for quite a while, then drop fast.

But I rarely vape mine that low - i.e. to cut-off - anyway, so don't have any actual measurements of remaining voltage.

 

[umanbean]

this is where the DIY REALLY comes in handy. There is usually something you can mix yourself tat will work for you.
For te pre-mixes.... try adding a couple drops of artificial peppermint or spearmint extract. They can hid a multitude of bad taste.
Many people are gasping now because I've sugested using {gasp} EXTRACTS!! Well... Guess what "flavorings" are?

Thanks for the suggestions, unfortunately I don't have any peppermint or spearmint flavorings. I bought 4 different premixed flavors from that B&M I went to a couple of weekends ago, and they are all ~ahem~ "not good" to put it mildly. They all seem to have the same aftertaste, and they all irritate my throat after about 3-4 hits.

Um, um, maybe you do? How long you been at 0 nic?

I've been keeping 0 nic in the Lemo since I got it early last week, and 5mg/ml. in the ST Mini... both unflavored. I hate to get all gross and everything, but I still have a phlem build-up in my throat due to irritation from something. I keep varying my pg/vg ratio, nic level, and power settings and still have throat problems. I'll get it sorted out, but it may take awhile.



added: Wait! I get it now!

Ken, you were talking about "mint" extracts from the kitchen! I didn't get that until I was proofreading after posting.

 

[DavidOck]

I find that even 50% VG gives me that phlegmy feel, and generally go for about 70/30 PG/VG. Of course, you don't often have the option of ratio on store bought, which seems to often be 50/50... a usually reasonable compromise between flavor and vapor.

 

[Debadoo]

added: Wait! I get it now!

Ken, you were talking about "mint" extracts from the kitchen! I didn't get that until I was proofreading after posting.

Not Ken, but yeah I'm sure that's what he meant. That's why he said some would gasp at that. They are mostly alcohol, so it just depends on how you feel about that. Not the best thing to vape, but just a few drops to get you over a hump and have something to vape may not be all that bad.

 

[Ken_A]

Thanks for the suggestions, unfortunately I don't have any peppermint or spearmint flavorings. I bought 4 different premixed flavors from that B&M I went to a couple of weekends ago, and they are all ~ahem~ "not good" to put it mildly. They all seem to have the same aftertaste, and they all irritate my throat after about 3-4 hits.



added: Wait! I get it now!

Ken, you were talking about "mint" extracts from the kitchen! I didn't get that until I was proofreading after posting.

Not Ken, but yeah I'm sure that's what he meant. That's why he said some would gasp at that. They are mostly alcohol, so it just depends on how you feel about that. Not the best thing to vape, but just a few drops to get you over a hump and have something to vape may not be all that bad.

Yes. Ken. That is what I was talking about. As an emergency fix, ARTIFICIAL extract at a couple of drops can fix a lot.
So can a couple drops of lemon juice for the aftertaste.

 

[gordon50]

Ken
did a check on the s-body voltage;

30%=3.6v
20%=3.5v
10%=3.4v
0.0%=3.3v=shut-off

 

[2legsshrt]

Well hey hey hey how's everyone on the Porch? Hope all is well. I been busy messing around with my flavors seeing what I can come up with. I'm thinking of getting an MVP3 since I never vape over about 16w and it has a lot of good things going for it. I'm going to try to rebuild another Kanger head. I'm thinking 5 wraps with 27awg at 3mm would get me right around 1.4ohms we'll see. I'm using a stock 1.2 right now I was hoping the mini RBA head would work with the 25mm but they canged the base in the new 25mm and made it a little bigger. The mini RBA heads work in the new one but they don't quite make contact in the old one. Figures those Chinese aren't stupid enough to make it so you could just change over the old one, gotta buy a new one. Waiting for Busardo's review on the new SX he got it Thursday but has family over for the weekend and I'm sure it will take him some time to review it with all the features on it. Still I want to see it in action. Like he told me the MVP3 has saved his but a few times where he has run out of battery and the MVP seems to always have a couple of bars on it plus if your cell goes dead just plug it in cord is built in. Well hope this finds you all well this Easter.

 

[2legsshrt]

I find that even 50% VG gives me that phlegmy feel, and generally go for about 70/30 PG/VG. Of course, you don't often have the option of ratio on store bought, which seems to often be 50/50... a usually reasonable compromise between flavor and vapor.

I might try increasing the PG too. I also have been getting a lot of phlegm at 50/50

 

[2legsshrt]

Hey that Tugboat is just what I needed for testing flavors. Works great.

 

[Iffy]

OK, anyone on da porches consistently vaping under 11W? If yes, send me a PM.

Also, any ol' VMod fans? If yes, send me a PM.

First responders might be glad they did...

 

[clnire]

Pm sent...

 

[misswish1]

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