Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Three

[DavidOck]

OK, not sure why what I'm describing doesn't match. I wrap my coils clockwise around the shaft of the Coil Master, and when the coil is installed with the legs on the bottom side of the coil, the legs end up the way I want them: in position to go under the right-hand side of the screws rather than being pulled in to the screws from the left-hand side of the screws.

The Coil Master, as Mike has said, is made for clockwise coils because the holes through which the wire is inserted are angled relative to each other to start in a clockwise direction.

That could be the problem then. And since your CM doesn't work that way... maybe hand coil, or a different type of winding tool.

But I think the critical part is the height above the air intake. So if you left the legs a tad long and with the tool still in it, work it down a bit, mounting the coil upside down shouldn't be a problem.

 

[bigbells]

That could be the problem then. And since your CM doesn't work that way... maybe hand coil, or a different type of winding tool.

But I think the critical part is the height above the air intake. So if you left the legs a tad long and with the tool still in it, work it down a bit, mounting the coil upside down shouldn't be a problem.

OK, you're speaking in tongues there. What is the problem of which you speak? I wasn't aware of any stated problem. And how did you arrive at your conclusion that coil above legs is "upside down"? Since coil above legs is the way I install my coils, coil above legs is of course "right side up".

Deb, DavidO is a more worthy candidate for the coffee cup than myself!

 

[DavidOck]

Kanger shows (at least sometimes!) the legs above the coil. It seems your coil master only allows you to make them so they go with the legs below the coil. If above is Kanger's preferred way, below is "upside down." All this, of course, for the Subtank RBA.

Can I have my coffee cup now??

 

[bigbells]

Kanger shows (at least sometimes!) the legs above the coil. It seems your coil master only allows you to make them so they go with the legs below the coil. If above is Kanger's preferred way, below is "upside down." All this, of course, for the Subtank RBA.

Can I have my coffee cup now??

Yes, but the coffee is iced. I made a pot this morning but it seems too torrid outside to drink it hot, so I added 2 trays of ice as soon as it finished brewing. Even in the winter time I can't stand coffee that's too hot to gulp.

Actually, the screws that secure the coil leads on the Kanger Subtank RBA do a really nice job of trapping the wires. I don't twist the wire around the screw, I just leave it straight and clip it. I'm pretty sure that sticking the leads under the left hand side of the screws would not result in the coil moving much or at all, due to the good design. Next time I need a new coil I'll try to remember to put it in upside down (right side up, to you).

I build no coil without using the Coil Master. For me, it's at least 10 times as time-consuming to make a coil without the Coil Master and it achieves a much inferior result. Manual coil-making is for people with better close vision than myself.

 

[Debadoo]

Can I have my coffee cup now??

all y'all and Mike get coffee cups......thought last night perhaps I could read all these posts better come mornin....... but.........NOT!! lol

 

[DavidOck]

Actually, the screws that secure the coil leads on the Kanger Subtank RBA do a really nice job of trapping the wires. I don't twist the wire around the screw, I just leave it straight and clip it. I'm pretty sure that sticking the leads under the left hand side of the screws would not result in the coil moving much or at all, due to the good design. Next time I need a new coil I'll try to remember to put it in upside down (right side up, to you).

Yes, a good design, and trapping instead of wrapping works fine for me as well. I do think the height of the coil over the air intake is the key, whichever way the coil's installed. I do mine so the legs get drawn into the screw - and they don't move at all when I tighten. Of course, I just go snug, don't torque them to death

Deb - time for new glasses? Or maybe just test drive all those coffee cups?

 

[3mg Meniere]

Yep. I just did a recoil, and making sure that the lead that comes off the top goes into the higher middle post-hole does help a lot. DUH. Gotta watch which side I use, and which posts I use on Orchids as single-coil.

 

[Debadoo]

Deb - time for new glasses?

Newp.......I can see it, just time for a new brain......it's been on strike for a couple weeks...... and no comments about the time frame from the pnut gallery!!

 

[MikeE3]

Left? Right? Top? Bottom?

Bells - here's what I've been trying to describe when talking about putting the leg around from the left side of the screw.

This coil was done on a coil jig, wound clockwise, the legs are coming off the bottom of the coil.

The leg going around the top screw in the picture is on the 'left' side of the screw and it's coming from the 'bottom' of the toothpick.

So I suppose if using the bottom screw for 'reference' then the leg is going around the 'right' side of the screw.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Put your left leg in and your right leg out.
And that's how we do the Hokey Pokey.

 

[Debadoo]

Put your left leg in and your right leg out.
And that's how we do the Hokey Pokey.

THIS I understand!

 

[clnire]

Put your left leg in and your right leg out.
And that's how we do the Hokey Pokey.

That's what it's all about <clap><clap>

 

[bigbells]

Left? Right? Top? Bottom?

Bells - here's what I've been trying to describe when talking about putting the leg around from the left side of the screw.

This coil was done on a coil jig, wound clockwise, the legs are coming off the bottom of the coil.

The leg going around the top screw in the picture is on the 'left' side of the screw and it's coming from the 'bottom' of the toothpick.

So I suppose if using the bottom screw for 'reference' then the leg is going around the 'right' side of the screw.

That coil is wound the "other" clockwise. Sure does meet my definition of counterclockwise! What coil jig do you use?

 

[DavidOck]

Left? Right? Top? Bottom?

Bells - here's what I've been trying to describe when talking about putting the leg around from the left side of the screw.

This coil was done on a coil jig, wound clockwise, the legs are coming off the bottom of the coil.

The leg going around the top screw in the picture is on the 'left' side of the screw and it's coming from the 'bottom' of the toothpick.

So I suppose if using the bottom screw for 'reference' then the leg is going around the 'right' side of the screw.

That's how I do my KFs, Mike, but the Subtank has a different geometry, putting the coil below the binding screws. I find counterclockwise works better for them - but I guess can't be done with the Coil Master.

 

[Wolfenstark]

I can only do a good job of building a coil when I use my Coil Master jig. Eyes just aren't good enough, even when I use a magnifier, to see what's going on. With the Coil Master I don't have to see... just make the coil, take it off, put in on the head and wick it with KGD cotton. My eyes ARE good enough to get the cotton in.

A related question: it seems logical to me to install a horizontal coil with the legs "underneath" the coil rather than on the top side. I've never done it the other way around (maybe it's impossible) on my Kanger Subtank rebuildable heads. Doing it with "legs up" would put the coil closer, possibly too close, to the center hole, is what I'm thinking. The screws that hold the leads are both at the same level on the Subtank.

Am I doing it the way that most of you do it?

For the subtank mini rba I basically had the two wire ends going in opposite directions and connected it.

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Well the coil above the end wires.
One end goes to one side of the screw and on the other side the end would go to the other side of the screw.

screw wire
wire coil screw

 

[Wolfenstark]

Doesn't everyones coil tool wind both ways ?
I put my wire through then turn the handle away from me but I'm sure i could turn it towards myself and would still wrap.

As for holes well on my attys some holes are all in a line and on some the positives are higher others the negatives are higher.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Doesn't everyones coil tool wind both ways ?
I put my wire through then turn the handle away from me but I'm sure i could turn it towards myself and would still wrap.

As for holes well on my attys some holes are all in a line and on some the positives are higher others the negatives are higher.

Are you positive about that?

 

[Debadoo]

Doesn't everyones coil tool wind both ways ?

I haven't tried it toward me on the V1 coil master, but they say the V3 which just landed in my mailbox has a second hole on it that is at least more conducive to wrapping it towards you

 

[bigbells]

One end goes to one side of the screw and on the other side the end would go to the other side of the screw.

This depends on the location of the atomizer screws. When using a building head like the one for the Kanger Subtank, the coil is placed on a diameter line of the head. The screws are also located on a diameter line of the head which is perpendicular to the coil. With that head configuration, the negative and positive coil leads will naturally want to go to the same side of the two different screws.

Doesn't everyones coil tool wind both ways ?
I put my wire through then turn the handle away from me but I'm sure i could turn it towards myself and would still wrap.

When using the Coil Master coil jig, the hole through which the wire is inserted is at an angle which promotes clockwise winding of the coil. It is possible to wind the other way but it doesn't work as well. With the Coil Master, you hold the handle in fixed position and turn the top piece, not the handle.

 

[MikeE3]

That coil is wound the "other" clockwise. Sure does meet my definition of counterclockwise! What coil jig do you use?

This is the jig I use. Has 4 different size mandrels and 2 top sections. Well that coil was wound on this and I turn the top section away from me - clockwise - when winding the coil.

Doesn't everyones coil tool wind both ways ?
I put my wire through then turn the handle away from me but I'm sure i could turn it towards myself and would still wrap.

As for holes well on my attys some holes are all in a line and on some the positives are higher others the negatives are higher.

Nope - like Bells said, the angle of the 'feed' hole is such that winding clockwise is the natural way to use it. Going counter-clockwise can be done - but it's fiddley.