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Paypal SUCKS. They charge for stuff that should be free. Just dont use them.
Any half decent vendor will at least allow direct account transfers for payments. Most should allow, cheques etc, and have multiple options for payment. If they dont, ask them to.
Whenever I see some business has paypal, I think, jeezz, right now I am going to have to do a direct to account transfer, or send them a cheque , or whatever.
I never use it these days. I completely refuse.
Back when I did once or twice, I noticed all these damn service fees popping out of nowhere. I thought ....Yeah right, like I am going to use a totally pointless service that charges me for breathing....
There are much better options.
Just use something with a standard, simple, no frills, user fee free, secure credit card processing, or do a direct to account transfer using your online bank (or send a cheque....whatever)
Theres no need for some complex handler, to act as some kinda secondary banking system, just to make an online payment, or receive money.
Especially when they charge folks through the nose to use it. Even severe laziness could not inspire me to support such utter nonsense.
The one vendor I use ATM that uses paypal....I just do a bank transfer. Why be charged fees for something I can do myself for free?
Any half decent vendor will at least allow direct account transfers for payments. Most should allow, cheques etc, and have multiple options for payment. If they dont, ask them to.
Whenever I see some business has paypal, I think, jeezz, right now I am going to have to do a direct to account transfer, or send them a cheque , or whatever.
I never use it these days. I completely refuse.
Back when I did once or twice, I noticed all these damn service fees popping out of nowhere. I thought ....Yeah right, like I am going to use a totally pointless service that charges me for breathing....
There are much better options.
Just use something with a standard, simple, no frills, user fee free, secure credit card processing, or do a direct to account transfer using your online bank (or send a cheque....whatever)
Theres no need for some complex handler, to act as some kinda secondary banking system, just to make an online payment, or receive money.
Especially when they charge folks through the nose to use it. Even severe laziness could not inspire me to support such utter nonsense.
The one vendor I use ATM that uses paypal....I just do a bank transfer. Why be charged fees for something I can do myself for free?
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I have never really had much of a problem with PayPal, but I really don't use them much unless absolutely
necessary.
I was just looking on Ebay and I see that there are a great number of US based sellers that accept PayPal
for e-cig equipment but none for the already mixed liquids. The only liquids I see on Ebay are PG and VG
but no nic e-liquids - so I am guessing that because of the nature of the nicotine, they won't permit that
but are permitting sales and payments for equipment. I have seen some kits on Ebay as well and some
that have prefilled cartridges.
I also found another thread here about the matter with a link to an answer that had been in PayPal but
appears to be no longer there:
NOTE: This link is no longer available. Redirect Page Error: "This Answer is No Longer Available"
https://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/ma...115&isSrch=Yes
While at that page in the PayPal Help Center, I began typing in various combinations of words regarding
e-cigs (e.g., E Cig, E-Cig, E Cigarette, Electronic Cigarette, etc.) and nothing came up at all... not even
for the word nicotine or even tobacco.
I will continue to look and will inform if I find anything else.
necessary.
I was just looking on Ebay and I see that there are a great number of US based sellers that accept PayPal
for e-cig equipment but none for the already mixed liquids. The only liquids I see on Ebay are PG and VG
but no nic e-liquids - so I am guessing that because of the nature of the nicotine, they won't permit that
but are permitting sales and payments for equipment. I have seen some kits on Ebay as well and some
that have prefilled cartridges.
I also found another thread here about the matter with a link to an answer that had been in PayPal but
appears to be no longer there:
NOTE: This link is no longer available. Redirect Page Error: "This Answer is No Longer Available"
https://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/ma...115&isSrch=Yes
While at that page in the PayPal Help Center, I began typing in various combinations of words regarding
e-cigs (e.g., E Cig, E-Cig, E Cigarette, Electronic Cigarette, etc.) and nothing came up at all... not even
for the word nicotine or even tobacco.
I will continue to look and will inform if I find anything else.
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I have never really had much of a problem with PayPal, but I really don't use them much unless absolutely
necessary.
I was just looking on Ebay and I see that there are a great number of US based sellers that accept PayPal
for e-cig equipment but none for the already mixed liquids. The only liquids I see on Ebay are PG and VG
but no nic e-liquids - so I am guessing that because of the nature of the nicotine, they won't permit that
but are permitting sales and payments for equipment. I have seen some kits on Ebay as well and some
that have prefilled cartridges.
I also found another thread here about the matter with a link to an answer that had been in PayPal but
appears to be no longer there:
NOTE: This link is no longer available. Redirect Page Error: "This Answer is No Longer Available"
https://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/ma...115&isSrch=Yes
While at that page in the PayPal Help Center, I began typing in various combinations of words regarding
e-cigs (e.g., E Cig, E-Cig, E Cigarette, Electronic Cigarette, etc.) and nothing came up at all... not even
for the word nicotine or even tobacco.
I will continue to look and will inform if I find anything else.
Here is the list of RESTRICTED items that you are not allowed to sell on eBay and/or buy or sell using PayPal;
(While there appears to be many people selling eCigs & eCig related items on eBay using PayPal as a primary funding source, trust me, they'll be busted, just as I was, in due time)
Not allowed
Any item containing tobacco and intended for consumption
Here's the link; Tobacco policy
Blunts or cigar wraps
Chewing tobacco
Cigarettes (including flavored cigarettes)
Cigars
Cuban cigars (see our embargoed goods and prohibited countries policy)
Dipping tobacco
Electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) or accessories
Herbal cigarettes or herbal tobacco (sometimes called nicotine-free cigarettes or tobacco-free cigarettes)
Hookah or Shisha molasses that contains tobacco
Including photos of cigarettes, cigars, and other tobacco items when selling cigar bands, collectible packaging, or other accessories
Loose leaf tobacco
Nicotine inhalers or nasal sprays (see our medical drugs and devices policy)
Pipe tobacco
Smokeless tobacco
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Paypal SUCKS. They charge for stuff that should be free. Just dont use them.
Any half decent vendor will at least allow direct account transfers for payments. Most should allow, cheques etc, and have multiple options for payment. If they dont, ask them to.
Whenever I see some business has paypal, I think, jeezz, right now I am going to have to do a direct to account transfer, or send them a cheque , or whatever.
I never use it these days. I completely refuse.
Back when I did once or twice, I noticed all these damn service fees popping out of nowhere. I thought ....Yeah right, like I am going to use a totally pointless service that charges me for breathing....
There are much better options.
Just use something with a standard, simple, no frills, user fee free, secure credit card processing, or do a direct to account transfer using your online bank (or send a cheque....whatever)
Theres no need for some complex handler, to act as some kinda secondary banking system, just to make an online payment, or receive money.
Especially when they charge folks through the nose to use it. Even severe laziness could not inspire me to support such utter nonsense.
The one vendor I use ATM that uses paypal....I just do a bank transfer. Why be charged fees for something I can do myself for free?
Good advice actually
I wish I had a choice, but IF you sell on eBay (and I do... have to as it's my main source of income as a Seller), you have to have PayPal as a primary source of funding or you'll be dead in the water. There are 'protections' that PayPal offers such as 'chargeback protection' and what have you, but anybody that wants to make a 'real' living selling, then eBay & PayPal still appears to be the only venues available to make any sort of viable income. I know, I've tried them all... eBay keeps my head above water. Sad, but true.
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I understand all the arguments against using Paypal here, but what about security?
I too would prefer not to use them for the reasons you all have listed, but I value my credit card security too much to give the details out to every vendor I purchase from. Most vendors could have their databases hacked by a hack savvy teen in minutes. Believe me, I have acquaintances who could compromise their systems in a heartbeat. I bet most haven't spent much on IT security. Every time you give out your card details you are increasing your risk. You have no idea who has access to each vendors DB. Staff, IT techs, family members, who knows?
Personally, I prefer to give the details to one party only who spend millions on protecting their databases and hope that that one doesn't get hacked. I have not given my credit card details to a single vendor and will not. If I can't use a third-party payment system then I will not buy from them. It means I miss out on some good stuff but it's just not worth the risk to me.
Paypal p1ss me off, but I won't cut off my nose to spite my face.
I too would prefer not to use them for the reasons you all have listed, but I value my credit card security too much to give the details out to every vendor I purchase from. Most vendors could have their databases hacked by a hack savvy teen in minutes. Believe me, I have acquaintances who could compromise their systems in a heartbeat. I bet most haven't spent much on IT security. Every time you give out your card details you are increasing your risk. You have no idea who has access to each vendors DB. Staff, IT techs, family members, who knows?
Personally, I prefer to give the details to one party only who spend millions on protecting their databases and hope that that one doesn't get hacked. I have not given my credit card details to a single vendor and will not. If I can't use a third-party payment system then I will not buy from them. It means I miss out on some good stuff but it's just not worth the risk to me.
Paypal p1ss me off, but I won't cut off my nose to spite my face.
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I understand all the arguments against using Paypal here, but what about security?
I too woulod prefer not to use them for the reasons you all have listed, but I value my credit card security too much to give the details out to every vendor I purchase from. Most vendors could have their databases hacked by a hack savvy teen in minutes. Believe me, I have acquaintances who could compromise their systems in a heartbeat. I bet most haven't spent much on IT security. Every time you give out your card details you are increasing your risk. You have no idea who has access to each vendors DB. Staff, IT techs, family members, who knows?
Personally, I prefer to give the details to one party only who spend millions on protecting their databases and hope that that one doesn't get hacked. I have not given my credit card details to a single vendor and will not. If I can't use a third-party payment system then I will not buy from them. It means I miss out on some good stuff but it's just not worth the risk to me.
Paypal p1ss me off, but I won't cut off my nose to spite my face.
Can't argue with this logic either.
I use a Walmart prepaid credit card for my online purchases, since there seems to be one everywhere lol. I only add the amount I am going to use and then use it right away. limits my other cards exposure to fraud yet allows my the same recourse if sent faulty equipment or no shipment is received.
I use the PayPal debit card quite often for vaping purposes. The card is handled by a third-party company and has never been declined for vaping goods. It's worth getting if you have a lot of money in your PayPal account and don't want to waste time with bank transfers.
I understand all the arguments against using Paypal here, but what about security?
I too would prefer not to use them for the reasons you all have listed, but I value my credit card security too much to give the details out to every vendor I purchase from. Most vendors could have their databases hacked by a hack savvy teen in minutes. Believe me, I have acquaintances who could compromise their systems in a heartbeat. I bet most haven't spent much on IT security. Every time you give out your card details you are increasing your risk. You have no idea who has access to each vendors DB. Staff, IT techs, family members, who knows?
Personally, I prefer to give the details to one party only who spend millions on protecting their databases and hope that that one doesn't get hacked. I have not given my credit card details to a single vendor and will not. If I can't use a third-party payment system then I will not buy from them. It means I miss out on some good stuff but it's just not worth the risk to me.
Paypal p1ss me off, but I won't cut off my nose to spite my face.
I'm not concerned with using my credit card at all with vendors. Using my debit card linked to my checking account--never. I track all of my credit card accounts via the internet on a daily basis, and if any fraudulent charges would appear I would contact my lender and have the account closed and the fraudulent purchases charged back. Not really a big deal, and cross my fingers, I haven't had to. The bigger issue is having someone get ahold of your personal information, i.e., SS# etc.
In reference to paypal and e-cigs, I only use them for coops and when I'm selling something here. Otherwise, it would be one big headache to make transactions like this. I have no problem with them and I think they provide a good service for a nominal fee.
I use PayPal to buy from overseas wholesale suppliers . After reading many posts, I would never use Paypal on US retail e-cig site after hearing about PayPal freezing others accounts. Other forms of payment are easily accessible.
Thank you for the info regarding PayPal debit cards. That is an option I hadn't considered.
Thank you for the info regarding PayPal debit cards. That is an option I hadn't considered.
Um, does anyone else see "tobacco lobbyists" having anything to do with this? Oh, no, couldn't possibly be!
GotVapes and one other vendor at least (I forget who) takes Dwolla, which is a kind of pre-loaded PayPal. Much cheaper, INCLUDING for the vendor, since they make their money on the interest they get while your pre-loaded money is in their bank. I keep about $75 in my account since that's about high-end of any normal ecig-related puchase I'd make.
I also put "Have you considered accepting Dwolla" into the Comments now when I buy something.
I also put "Have you considered accepting Dwolla" into the Comments now when I buy something.
wow PayPal really...
its all a scare tactic and they apparently bought it hook line and sinker.
how much $ does a company need to have before they will not back down to these FDA clowns and be so scared about 'suits'
its all a scare tactic and they apparently bought it hook line and sinker.
how much $ does a company need to have before they will not back down to these FDA clowns and be so scared about 'suits'
http://www.dwolla.com -- it's a bank of sorts run by a real bank, and gets coverage in financial magazines.
Maybe the vaping community should set up their own bank?
Here is where the possibility of learning the ropes with "BitCoins" comes into play, the darknet currency at the moment, but it's a huge hassle and not very stable.
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