I'm not there yet with the filtering being as good as say MVJ, I'm going to try one of those SS syringes stuffed with 5 micron media felt. But MVJ must be using smaller filters and a pressurized feed. Hard to duplicate at home.
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I'm not there yet with the filtering being as good as say MVJ, I'm going to try one of those SS syringes stuffed with 5 micron media felt. But MVJ must be using smaller filters and a pressurized feed. Hard to duplicate at home.
I'm not looking to boil any part of this extraction. As BK said, I just want to aid (force) the PG into the tobacco being extrated. My thought was that this may expidite the extraction procoess and shorten the time required for a cold maceration. Same thought process of marinating meats for smoking/grilling. When I marinate meat in a standard container it will take X minutes/hours, but If I put the meat and marinade in a sealed bag/jar with the air removed, it will reduce the time required to marinate by Y minutes/hours. I don't use an exact timeframe, I just use an eyeball method to determine when it is ready. Usually when it darkens the meat enough. In this case I would be looking at the color of the PG. Don't know if it will work, but I figure it can't hurt to try a little and see what happens.
As for the filter process I will be using is still a thought process for me. I have to weigh the cost factor in, but I would prefer to have something as close to MVJ's extracts as possible. I tend to be on the run a lot and don't have as much time to spend with a dripper. I may go with something similar to what I seen BH is using (press).
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My single-pass, dual-stage (wire mesh, then 5-micron poly felt) French Press set-up doesn't produce extract that is as squeaky-clean as Diane's cigar NETs at MVJ. Mine are more much flavorful, however. My French Press-filtered extracts are about the same as Diane's MVJ pipe extracts in clean performance.
Where my system excels---at least for me---over other filtering methods (from coffee filters and cotton-stuffed syringes to lab-based vacuum pump systems and other high-end laboratory filters) is in:
- low expense---less than $40 to set up ($20 for more poly felt filter than you'll ever need, $10-20 for a small French Press pot) with no further expenses required ever
- convenience---single-pass filtering
- quickness/ease-of-use---takes about five minutes to filter a maceration, from start to finish, including clean-up)
- non-messiness---filtered extract pours right into the extract jars from the carafe, clean-up is a breeze
I'd say Bill has it down pat. I haven't tried it yet but I'm thinking of making the plunge.
I use vacuum filtration using various quantitative filter disks. Still haven't nailed that down 100% I did buy the poly filter media bill recommended and it works well. I am still considering buying a French press though. It just sounds so easy.
I do sometimes vacuum seal jars both in cold and heat extractions it does seem to speed things up a bit. It is not consistent so far in my experiences. If you use it during heat you need to vacuum seal while you are at heat extraction temps and depending on the water content of your tobacco you may sil off gas enough to over come the vacuum.
I am having fun though.
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I do sometimes vacuum seal jars both in cold and heat extractions it does seem to speed things up a bit. It is not consistent so far in my experiences. If you use it during heat you need to vacuum seal while you are at heat extraction temps and depending on the water content of your tobacco you may sil off gas enough to over come the vacuum.
I am having fun though.
I feel no need to sign my posts...
-B
In the mail (might be too much, but I don't have to macerate them all in one go)
Samuel Gawith Full Virginia Flake
Samuel Gawith St James Flake (like FVF plus Perique)
Samuel Gawith Best Brown Flake (straight Va)
Samuel Gawith Balkan Flake (Va/Lat)
Hearth & Home - Louisiana Red
Peter Stokkebye Luxury Bullseye Flake
Dunhill Nightcap
SPC Plum Pudding
Has anyone recently tried Kurt's method?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/95754-vg-pipe-tobacco-essence.html#post1433701
Or Dougiestyle's method here?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eone-say-honey-extraction-2.html#post10319408
Samuel Gawith Full Virginia Flake
Samuel Gawith St James Flake (like FVF plus Perique)
Samuel Gawith Best Brown Flake (straight Va)
Samuel Gawith Balkan Flake (Va/Lat)
Hearth & Home - Louisiana Red
Peter Stokkebye Luxury Bullseye Flake
Dunhill Nightcap
SPC Plum Pudding
Has anyone recently tried Kurt's method?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/95754-vg-pipe-tobacco-essence.html#post1433701
Or Dougiestyle's method here?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eone-say-honey-extraction-2.html#post10319408
I believe I was the first person on ECF to extract Hearth & Home Signature Louisiana Red, in March of this year. Nothing proprietary about that---H&H LA Red is a retail pipe blend, so anyone can buy some to extract. I was just the first person to plant a flag on that particular mountaintop. I'm not surprised, however, that others are buying it to extract, as blending Virginia and Perique makes a tasty NET. Similar to H&H Anniversary Kake, another VA/Perique blend, but that one uses a wider range of Virginias---lemon through brown---while LA Red uses two Red Virginias, at least according to blender Russ Ouellette's descriptions. (I don't know precisely what the various Virginia sub-titles lemon, brown, black, orange, and red designate, but the two NETs are sufficiently different to be distinct---LA Red is sharper, Anniversary Kake is creamier.)
Nope, I haven't. Kurt can call what he makes "essence" if he insists, but it looks to me like just another simple-soak maceration to produce extract, this one all-VG using extremely high initial heat, an overnight steep, and filtering through a cotton-stuffed syringe. He's just playing with variables, not re-inventing the wheel.
Haven't and won't.
I just finished a batch which has convced me that DIY can be superior to buying-juice online. One of my favorites is DEV's blue mountain. I ordered a sample of this Hearth & Home Signature Berry Nice - PipesandCigars.com. Don't know is this is considered a good brand or not but I'm a sucker for berry Cavendish anything.
I did the hot 110F water bath treatment for 3 days in PG. For filtering rather than a big French press I use a big SS turkey injector from, amazon. It builds tremendous pressure without and leakage around the filtering media. First a strain thru a metal mesh coffee strainer. Then pack 1/4 of the syring with rayon. Filter with the syringe twice with rayon then once with a cut off a 5 micron filter bag with the net on the outside. This came out as clean to my eyes as an MJV extract I've ordered.
Then I just used the calculator and I have an after dinner vape that is better than a DEV I was paying a lot more for. I also did a straight (no berry) blend of various Cavendish's from pipe's & cigars. With the calculators and the easy to obtain equipment this is just too easy not to do. And this is from a guy who's been failing at building a Kaylite for over a month. Only e-juice I'm ordering from now on is Vaperites VR4 as YR4's are an artform.
If anyone knows what are considered the best Cavendish's from pipe's and cigars.com let me know.
I did the hot 110F water bath treatment for 3 days in PG. For filtering rather than a big French press I use a big SS turkey injector from, amazon. It builds tremendous pressure without and leakage around the filtering media. First a strain thru a metal mesh coffee strainer. Then pack 1/4 of the syring with rayon. Filter with the syringe twice with rayon then once with a cut off a 5 micron filter bag with the net on the outside. This came out as clean to my eyes as an MJV extract I've ordered.
Then I just used the calculator and I have an after dinner vape that is better than a DEV I was paying a lot more for. I also did a straight (no berry) blend of various Cavendish's from pipe's & cigars. With the calculators and the easy to obtain equipment this is just too easy not to do. And this is from a guy who's been failing at building a Kaylite for over a month. Only e-juice I'm ordering from now on is Vaperites VR4 as YR4's are an artform.
If anyone knows what are considered the best Cavendish's from pipe's and cigars.com let me know.
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You could try adding Blackberry flavoring to your plain Cavendish. I do this and it's very tasty. You also have control over how much flavoring to use.
I do like this H&H 'cause the berry is subtle. If I were to experiment with extracts what % is a good starting point?
It really depends upon the brand. They go from 2% for the super concentrates like Vapingzone and Hangsen up to 5-8% for TFA and Flavor West
No "Cavendish" cigars that I know of, however, Drew Estates makes a lot of uniquely flavored cigars (such as the "Acid" line) that might fit your needs.... . I'm not a fan of "flavored" cigars, but I've tried a couple of his that are actually pretty good.....not overdone. Just do a Google search for "Drew Estates Cigar" and check out their lineup.
I did an extraction of the Luxury Bullseye Flake - pretty good one, IMO. It's a little sweet for my tastes, but the cavendish core plays nicely with the VA/Per...
Just filtered my SPC Plum Pudding extract last night. This one is really quite nice - even pre-steep, I'm getting the spiciness of the perique, the sweetness of the Virginias, and the smokiness of the Latakia. The turkish and orientals are there, but kind of muddled up with everything else. I look forward to seeing how this one turns out after a few weeks steep.
No cavendish that I know of. Drew Estate makes one called Kentucky Fire Cured that has fire cured burley and virginia (I think). There is also a latakia (Spectre) and perique (1881) cigar out there. Black and Mild by Littleton may have some cavendish in their small cigars.
Hi Rev, I found the same sweetness with the Luxury Bullseye Flake, and it makes a nice vape, but is not as appealing to my taste buds as some other extractions I've done. This could change with more steeping time too, currently its at 7 weeks.
The Nightcap and Plum Pudding extracts I did have also steeped 7 weeks and taste good, Nightcap is a bit more intense for the same flavor ratio than Plum Pudding, but both are strong (mixed at 12.5% extract). At first, there was the "muddling" of flavors but they have both come good, I'm glad I got them, as they are very full and nice to vape. I think they will improve further with more time, which will be interesting because they've already reached the "good" mark with smokey, deep, rich and dark flavor. I would say both of these extract very well, I can't say I like one any better than the other at this stage.
I just tried this with some McClelland vanilla that had been aging in my celler for about four years.
I put about half an ounce in a small tea cup and covered in VG (I don't have any PG other then 100 mg\ml). After a few 5 second runs in the microwave with cool downs in between and filtering with doubled up coffee filters I have only a small amount of extract, perhaps 2 or 3 ml. I'm going to let it filter overnight and see what I end up with.
The final product smells great, so I think I'll try this again after I get some PG. I've got 8 ounces of well aged Stonehaven that I may sacrifice a bit of once I get my technique down.
I put about half an ounce in a small tea cup and covered in VG (I don't have any PG other then 100 mg\ml). After a few 5 second runs in the microwave with cool downs in between and filtering with doubled up coffee filters I have only a small amount of extract, perhaps 2 or 3 ml. I'm going to let it filter overnight and see what I end up with.
The final product smells great, so I think I'll try this again after I get some PG. I've got 8 ounces of well aged Stonehaven that I may sacrifice a bit of once I get my technique down.
2 or 3ml? I would have thought you'd end up with around 50 or 60ml of extract from half an ounce. PG certainly filters a lot quicker. Glad to hear you've given it a go! I usually do 1/6 oz lots in a 30ml jar to do the experimenting. I only tried the microwave method once, and it worked fine, much to my surprise, but now use cold maceration or the hot cooker method.
Can you point me to a thread or post where you have details about your method and supply sheet?
Currently rolling Good Stuff Menthol pipe tobacco (wink) for the Wife, and have been for years. Thought she would take on vaping but she has shown no interest in the past few months (I on the other hand have gone all in after 12 years of quitting cigs). She has tried lots of flavored juice but still prefers that cigarette. I was hoping that by making something from her favorite tobacco she may come back to vaping. Any insight is appreciated.
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