Pipe tobacco and Cigar extraction

[billherbst]

Can you point me to a thread or post where you have details about your method and supply sheet?

Currently rolling Good Stuff Menthol pipe tobacco (wink) for the Wife, and have been for years. Thought she would take on vaping but she has shown no interest in the past few months (I on the other hand have gone all in after 12 years of quitting cigs). She has tried lots of flavored juice but still prefers that cigarette. I was hoping that by making something from her favorite tobacco she may come back to vaping. Any insight is appreciated.

Nick,

Between me searching for the information you want and compiling it for you and you searching for it, I'd rather you do it.

There are three or four home extraction threads on ECF. I post in all of them. Just to let you know, I now use the 5-micron French Press method for a first-pass filtering, then I gravity filter through 2.5 micron Ahlstrom lab filters.

 

[Nick N]

Sure, I'll keep searching, I thought maybe you had a blog page or something like that. Tapatalk sucks for searching, I'll try on my desktop computer when I get a chance.

I hope I didn't come off as not wanting to do my homework. Some of these threads have hundreds of pages/posts and are filled with both new and old methods.

 

[billherbst]

I hope I didn't come off as not wanting to do my homework. Some of these threads have hundreds of pages/posts and are filled with both new and old methods.

I know, it can be a real pain to come into these long threads. Trust me, if I had an easy way to tell you what you want to know, I would. I simply don't. No harm, no foul, though. I hope you get what you need, because home extracting is definitely worth doing.

 

[Ian444]

The quickest most fruitful method of searching the info you want (IMO) is to go to the Cold Maceration thread and do 3 searches within that thread, each search would be for specific posts by a username, the usernames to do the searches of would be billherbst, johni and Boomerdude. Then go to the Slow Cooker Extraction thread and do the same again. Keep a notebook handy if you like writing notes as you go. It is not easy, there is enough info out there to confuse most highly intelligent people. But if you stick with those 3, you have a good chance of getting good info in a relatively short time. I left out the names of many other good extractors simply to help your sanity, I hope they forgive me. You will see their names as you search. May the force be with you

 

[Ian444]

Nick, before you do the research, grab a few pipe bowl size amounts of tobacco, put it in a small jar with an airtight lid, and put enough PG in it to just cover the tobacco and screw the lid on. Put the jar in a dark place and then at least you have a cold maceration started while you do the research. Should be enough to make around maybe 80ml of ejuice give or take a fair bit. Cold macerations work fine, they just take time, around a month at least. Then usually its a month or 2 steeping the juice, there's no way around that no matter what method you use. That's the real short story version, hope it helps.

 

[phager]

2 or 3ml? I would have thought you'd end up with around 50 or 60ml of extract from half an ounce. PG certainly filters a lot quicker. Glad to hear you've given it a go! I usually do 1/6 oz lots in a 30ml jar to do the experimenting. I only tried the microwave method once, and it worked fine, much to my surprise, but now use cold maceration or the hot cooker method.

OK, I think I figured out the issue. I browsed through this thread again (I read through the whole thing a week ago) and I think I used far too little VG.

I basically used just enough to cover the tobacco. I'm guessing that, due to the viscosity of VG, what I thought was covering was really just laying on top of the tobacco.

I've got the batch steeping now on a much larger quantity of VG, and the mix looks much more similar to the picture of the slurry shown earlier in the thread.

 

[Nick N]

So I just finished reading all 500+ posts in the "Cold" thread, and I think Bill's method is what I want to try first. It is so simple which is right down my alley. Sold off my Brazil in a yard sale years ago, so I'll have to get another.

 

[phager]

Just an update on my first extraction. I ended up getting around 35-40ml from the tobacco. That day I made up a 10ml sample using 2ml 100mg/ml nic (In PG), 2ml extract, and 6ml USP VG.

I'm dripping right now with my Itaste vv at 8 watts and it's incredibly tasty. The vanilla is not very strong, but the tobacco flavor is perfect. I've got some PG coming tomorrow, so I'm going to have to do some more extractions then.

This really scratches that tobacco itch that nothing has to this point.

 

[b.m.]

This really scratches that tobacco itch that nothing has to this point.

I know how you feel.My first 6 months of vaping,i did fine with just bakery and sweet type vapes,no urges at all.Then one day it hit me like a truck,i tried several artificial tobacco flavors and although some tasted good,they did not stop those urges.I just very recently started making a few extracts,and made up a few bottles of juice from them a few days ago,all i can say is wow,i wish i would have started doing this a long time ago.

 

[MikeNice81]

I know how you feel.My first 6 months of vaping,i did fine with just bakery and sweet type vapes,no urges at all.Then one day it hit me like a truck,i tried several artificial tobacco flavors and although some tasted good,they did not stop those urges.I just very recently started making a few extracts,and made up a few bottles of juice from them a few days ago,all i can say is wow,i wish i would have started doing this a long time ago.

Nets were the only thing that kept me from going back. Once my taste buds started returning I couldn't deal with the synthetics and bakery/sweet stuff just didn't do it. Then I tried a Garo Double Habano from MVJ and I was hooked. I'm on my second round of macerations now.

 

[b.m.]

That may be what changed for me,was the taste buds,just a guess though as i really don't know what made it start after almost 6 months.I still like alot of the bakery type stuff,but they just don't give that satisfied feeling anymore,and yeah i hear ya,i was very close to going back a few times.I haven't tried any vendor nets yet,just the few that i've made,but i'm hooked.I did a ryo tobacco,a black & mild cigar,and some captain black,then i just ordered some old favorites from my cigar days,a monte cristo,fuente,cohiba,avo,and another i've never heard of,but it was included in the deal so i'll try it too haha.Can't wait to get those and get them started.

 

[boomerdude]

Cigars make a tricky extraction. IMHO to get the most flavor from them you need to use the whole cigar. I slice them lengthwise and distribute the wrapper and tobacco in layers. By which I mean, start at the bottom of the container and add half the wrapper then all the filler tobacco, then top it off with the other half of the wrapper. Pour only enough solvent to just cover the tobacco and let it absorb. Add enough solvent to just cover the tobacco and then cover the container. I give Oscuro or Maduro's six weeks and all others eight weeks. The only exception is the Tatiana flavored cigars, which I really like, that you can get away with just four weeks. Good luck.

That may be what changed for me,was the taste buds,just a guess though as i really don't know what made it start after almost 6 months.I still like alot of the bakery type stuff,but they just don't give that satisfied feeling anymore,and yeah i hear ya,i was very close to going back a few times.I haven't tried any vendor nets yet,just the few that i've made,but i'm hooked.I did a ryo tobacco,a black & mild cigar,and some captain black,then i just ordered some old favorites from my cigar days,a monte cristo,fuente,cohiba,avo,and another i've never heard of,but it was included in the deal so i'll try it too haha.Can't wait to get those and get them started.

 

[b.m.]

Cool,thanks for the tips,i will give that method a try when i make the next order of cigars for the next batch.I already have these ones going.I didn't split it lenghtwise,but did sort of layer it,i took some wrapper and put it down first,then shredded up the filler and then last bit of wrapper,i figured i would keep it close to how it was wrapped so glad to hear i had a similar idea there.I have been experimenting with the different methods i have been reading on here for extraction.My ryo and black & mild,i followed the thread that mentioned 5 second cycles in the microwave,they came out ok,pretty decent flavor within a few days,and getting better as they steep.My second batch was the ryo again,and the captain black white pouch,started with the same method again in the microwave,but this time after that,instead of straing right after,i let them sit a few days,this was much better,but i then left half the captain black continue to soak for an additional week,and found that to be alot better than the half i strained a week proir.On this batch of the 5 cigars,i decided to try a few other methods i have read here.I have these in the crock pot on low,then once they come out,i will pull a bit,then let the remaining sit a few weeks.Probably not nessacary to let them sit after,i really dont know,but i figure that way they have heat and time.Next batch will be a full on cold marceation.I am very impatient,so this is why up to this point all i have done has used heat,but now that i will have 8 different extracts to hold me over,i figure letting the next one go on it's own shouldn't be an issue,i'll just have to put them deep in the back of the cabinet and try to forget about them for a while haha.

 

[Nick N]

How close was the Black & Mild on flavor? I haven't had one in 12 years (when I quit smoking).

I started my first cold soak last night. Bought a fresh one pound bag of Good Stuff Menthol RYO "Pipe" tobacco (Wife still smokes), weighed out 1/2 an ounce and covered it in 100ml PG. I used one of those 7oz jars with the locking lid and rubber seal. I am going to give it 4 weeks while I track down a press and some filters. I am pretty much getting burnt out on candy and soda flavors, hoping this stuff works out.

 

[b.m.]

The black & mild is coming along pretty good.When i first strained it,it was good,but not quite what i remember the cigar tasting like,but it has been steeping a few weeks now and continues to get closer and better.I am going to do another one just to compare though,as the first one i did was the quick microwave and strain method,so the next one i am going to do the cold method on and see if there is any difference.If you liked the taste of the b&m though,i would definitely try it.I have never tried that tobacco your using,but the ryo i used was the same way as the cigar,tasted a bit off at first,but it is starting to come around to a good flavor as well,and it's just some very cheap $8 a bag gambler haha.Since it came out good,i think i'm going to try some american spirit here soon as well,it seems to be pretty popular here in the different extraction threads.

 

[Smocian257]

I'm in the same boat as you pal, as soon as my stuff comes in wednesday I'm going to describe step by step exactly what I'm doing with each blend and I'm going to compare cold vs heat etc at different lengths of time, the whole 9 yards. I'm going to bring together all my notes from this grueling process of skimming forums and just make a point by point wordpress blog or something. Its insane making that we have vendors shipping gallons of this stuff and 3 different forums with dozens of NET diy'ers and all you get is "well, everyones tastes are different, some say 30 seconds microwaved in a shotglass some say 6 months sealed in jar thats been launched to the depths of space"

Not bashing anyone here, everyones incredibly helpful with reasonably worded and direct questions but this blog post shouldn't be the best we have to offer newcomers

 

[boomerdude]

I'll be looking forward for your Blog KPS257. The one problem you may run into is that no matter which method you say is best, it's still going to be subjective. Extracting a good vape is easy, it's not rocket science. There are sub-forums and threads for all the methods of extracting but I don't think anyone has tried to put them all in one Blog. So, good luck, I look forward to reading it.

I'm in the same boat as you pal, as soon as my stuff comes in wednesday I'm going to describe step by step exactly what I'm doing with each blend and I'm going to compare cold vs heat etc at different lengths of time, the whole 9 yards. I'm going to bring together all my notes from this grueling process of skimming forums and just make a point by point wordpress blog or something. Its insane making that we have vendors shipping gallons of this stuff and 3 different forums with dozens of NET diy'ers and all you get is "well, everyones tastes are different, some say 30 seconds microwaved in a shotglass some say 6 months sealed in jar thats been launched to the depths of space"

Not bashing anyone here, everyones incredibly helpful with reasonably worded and direct questions but this blog post shouldn't be the best we have to offer newcomers

 

[Smocian257]

Well, you're a great example of noting methods as you at least listed what it is you have so far extracted but I think even with subjective taste I should be able to nail some simple things down, for instance a "minimum" number of days for room temperature maceration and whether or not microwaving the mash instead of slow cooking it effects the flavor profile (perhaps it dulls quickly down the line?)

 

[boomerdude]

Hey, as long as you have fun doing it, I say go for it. The more info we have, the better.

 

[Smocian257]

So I have 2 sets going with Pipe blends.

the first is 100% vg , 150cc, Tucson Blend, Import Whiskey, Black Gold - one ounce of each, put in freezer and checked on after 2 hours

vegetable glycerin was gelatinous, removed from freezer and placed in drawer for time

maceration at room temperature.

Tyhe second bunch is 9 blends with heat maceration (slow cooker, 150cc per 1 oz tobacco for 24 hours , 50/50 pg/vg ), I have a pure grain alcohol set of 5 going and a set of 8 going at room temperature (initially 100%)

I'll let you know what comes of it