Post 8-8-16 Stock Up

[sketchness]

So my post 8/8/16 plans

Continue to look for awesome RDA's

Cheap rda's to PIF

Find a great authentic mech

Some more clone nemesis from hcigar

A few more high wattage mods that do TC

A therion dna 75w

Some more nicotine and a freezer for the garage.

Plans may change but this is sort of my outline. I have 10+ mods, 10+ rda's, and 8.5 liters of Nic. Turns out I really dig the different devices. Gives me a chance to talk about vaping with smokers and the like.

 

[Haktuspit]

And I definitely expect that to happen in the not to distant future. I hope I am totally wrong but I am prepared just in case. I am so sad though that so many that have no idea as to what is happening won't have the opportunity to stock up like we have. Those new to this miracle and those that have not yet found it are the ones that will be hurt the worst.

I'm actually surprised nic base is still on the market. It was the one thing that I expected them to step outside of the law on and try to shut us down.

 

[Eskie]

So my post 8/8/16 plans.................
A few more high wattage mods that do TC

A therion DNA 75w...............

Oh, trust me. Once you get a DNA 75 Therion, there's no going back on TC. I have a DNA 200 Triade, and then had to get an Efusion Duo. I'm still planning on a couple of more DNA mods, but given the price point, I'm choosing carefully. Not a great impulse purchase. OK, yes it is, but I promised to be good for at least a month or so.

BTW, Evolv is coming out with new chips. A DNA 60, which will be the upgrade from the DNA 40 (still small but fuller featured) and a DNA 250, for when you need to heat the basement while vaping (looks like it throttles back to 167W with that DNA 250, sorta like the way they do a 133/200 with the same board).

 

[Vandal]

And I definitely expect that to happen in the not to distant future. I hope I am totally wrong but I am prepared just in case. I am so sad though that so many that have no idea as to what is happening won't have the opportunity to stock up like we have. Those new to this miracle and those that have not yet found it are the ones that will be hurt the worst.

And if you check the FDA's Facebook page, they made a post on 8/8 and made it look like the regulations are only about selling to underage. Vapers and non-vapers alike checking up on the regs, unless they dig for it, are likely to think that's the only thing these regulations are about. No doubt, that's why it's gotten so many Likes. People just aren't aware of what they are really about.

eta: that post has gotten 1.2K comments so far

 

[satchvai]

Several of the big vape / juice manufactures have submitted PMTA’s, That gives them 2 years more to stay in business, there are literally hundreds of new gear coming to market, all they had to do is show "a" sales receipt for the 8th, so they sold one or two of each and are holding the rest back as time goes on, they will release.
nic select being another one to submit
District Court August 16 or October 19 ?

I don't think any manufacturer has had the time to submit a PMTA yet. The amount of research time and costs it takes to put together just one is out of the reach of most vape manufacturers in the industry. Doing toxicology testing on every possible device an ejuice could be vaped on alone will take years and millions of dollars to do, not to mention the behavioral health research and showing how your product is good for public health. A lot of the big vendors talk a good game but the truth is none except BT have the financial resources available to actually submit a PMTA.

 

[Eskie]

I don't think any manufacturer has had the time to submit a PMTA yet. The amount of research time and costs it takes to put together just one is out of the reach of most vape manufacturers in the industry. Doing toxicology testing on every possible device an ejuice could be vaped on alone will take years and millions of dollars to do, not to mention the behavioral health research and showing how your product is good for public health. A lot of the big vendors talk a good game but the truth is none except BT have the financial resources available to actually submit a PMTA.

Not to mention the FDA hasn't even said what toxicology studies it wants (those tests are directed for specific chemicals or class of chemicals, not everything under the sun), what kind of behavioral studies should be conducted, or what standards it expects hardware manufacturers to meet. Makes filing a PMTA this early even less realisitc.

 

[Chris863]

Man I havent really been following vaping news or reading this forum in months but I been still vaping everyday and have been daily since January of 2014 to give up smoking. I have only maybe 50 ML of Nic Base from Vaperstek left and maybe another 50 ML or so of Nic Base from another place called Vices Electronic Cigarettes..... I was actually reading through some emails from last week and got a newsletter from Vice's saying they are closing for good as of August 8th. This is how I found out about the 8-8-16 regulations... Kind of scary considering Vices is the place I started with Vaping in terms of buying Nic Base to make my own juice. I've since moved on to VapersTek Premium EU sourced nicotine but really is a wake up call to see a good vendor close its doors due to these crackdowns on vaping sales or whatever, its all about taxing and money in the end, so I need to buy and stock up soon obviously on supplies.

How much of a window would you say we have to buy mixing supplies like Nic Base though? I have enough flavoring for well over a year but flavoring you could argue could be used for food so that might be safe indefinitely like getting your TFA, FA, or Capella Flavors from EcigExpress or Wizard Labs. The one place I buy premade juice still looks like business as usual.... prices are the same and no added requirements for age verification. Guess we all saw this coming eventually but seriously how long do we have to really stock up and put some Nic Base in the freezer etc. What about flavoring too whats the shelf life of that I have about 10 barely used bottles of Flavorah flavoring, 7-8 bottes of TFA, 5-6 bottles of Capella, 2-3 bottles of FA flavorings etc. They vary in age from about 6 months to a year in a half old.

 

[satchvai]

I'd start stocking nic as soon as you can afford to. VapersTek Throat Hit Nicotine is 40 bucks a liter and I can't tell a huge difference between that and their Premium one so I bought a few liters of it.
Regarding flavorings, your older ones you may have to adjust the percentages you used when they were fresh. They will grow weaker as time goes on. Some do go bad so best advice I have for you is do small batches before you do a final mix.

 

[Semiretired]

Not to mention the FDA hasn't even said what toxicology studies it wants (those tests are directed for specific chemicals or class of chemicals, not everything under the sun), what kind of behavioral studies should be conducted, or what standards it expects hardware manufacturers to meet. Makes filing a PMTA this early even less realisitc.

I am sure the need to know - know...

 

[ScandaLeX]

I placed a FT order on 7/31. It shipped 8/3 & is still out there in the universe somewhere. Not worried though cause nothing in that "electronic gadget" package is a must have. Anything I need ASAP I order from US vendors.

 

[Eskie]

I am sure the need to know - know...

To be honest, I don't think the FDA themselves have totally figured out what it is they want to see in those applications.

 

[HazyShades]

Actually it is not illegal to sell it but it has to be sold as animal feed not for human consumption. The reason I know this is because we make all our cheeses from scratch and there are a couple types that require raw milk. Every vendor we buy it from always wants to make sure we are buying it for animal feed.

Yea, correct. Pardon me for not specifying that. We make cheese also.
This for the doubters:
Amish farmer targeted by FDA raids shuts down raw milk business

SWAT Team Raids Rawesome Raw Milk | Must See Video!! - Whole New Mom



There are several instances of similar situations where one federal agency or another
overstepped their authority allegedly for our protection.
One which comes to mind is when a Department of Education SWAT Team raided
a guy's house because his ex wife had defaulted on her student loans...

Interestingly, to me at least, the Obamas owed on their student loans for years
and only paid up in 2004. The couple paid off their loans in the same year that he ran for and won the Senatorial race. By that point, he had been working as a state senator for seven years and Mrs. Obama was working as an executive at the University of Chicago hospitals.

But nobody raided them...like I said previously, different laws applied selectively for different people. Just look at Mrs Clinton and the FBI...
But this has nothing to do with vaping or making cakes. LOL
So I'm back to the music and making cheese.
The last time I bought cream cheese I found a nail clipping...
Kraft-Heinz claimed it was a clump of gum...as if I hadn't examined it under a microscope
and tried to break the clump...

Regards,
Hazy

 

[Opinionated]

To be honest, I don't think the FDA themselves have totally figured out what it is they want to see in those applications.

No.. in what I read this was the biggest complaint right now .. the FDA is implementing all this but not giving guidelines for the manufacturers - and without guidelines it's a crapshoot.

 

[kross8]

If the FDA required VG and PG to be tainted, then how would BT make their quaint little cigalikes? I know of no substitute they could use. BT might not be happy since they have invested in the vaping market.

I am sitting here reading all of this,, thinking to myself,,well... I suppose I could get 1 of those plastic cans of frosting and thin it down and burn through a lot of wicking............where there is a will there is a way.

 

[sparkky1]

No.. in what I read this was the biggest complaint right now .. the FDA is implementing all this but not giving guidelines for the manufacturers - and without guidelines it's a crapshoot.

bundling of applications for similar products
Commonly Asked Questions: About the Center for Tobacco Products

 

[HazyShades]

No.. in what I read this was the biggest complaint right now .. the FDA is implementing all this but not giving guidelines for the manufacturers - and without guidelines it's a crapshoot.

The FDA issued guidelines to manufacturers
before the first draft of the "deeming" came out. In fact that's how most
of us got hip about what to expect.

Here:
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/RulesRegulationsGuidance/UCM499354.pdf

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/TobaccoProducts/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/UCM501431.pdf

Extending Authorities to All Tobacco Products, Including E-Cigarettes, Cigars, and Hookah

However, many manufacturers and others in the vape industry apparently chose to assume this would all go away like it did last time.
http://www.fdli.org/docs/primers/tobacco-primer-website-preview.pdf?sfvrsn=8

Regards,
Hazy

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Also I'm just gonna stay out of this tainted PG/VG and try to change topics. If that happens, which is unlikely, we're toast anyways. Why waste energy on discussing it.

READ THIS

Did you see this? It was posted either on Twitter or ECF. I cannot recall where but it definitely applies to tainted pg/vg/nic. Read THIS.

 

[mackman]

Tried to place an order with a California vendor today, age verification didn't work, called the shop and was told it won't even work for the owner. This is a well known online vendor, how many $$ will they lose?

 

[Haktuspit]

READ THIS

Did you see this? It was posted either on Twitter or ECF. I cannot recall where but it definitely applies to tainted pg/vg/nic. Read THIS.

Haha I know my history, I Was aware this happened. I actually lean on the conspiracy realist side as well. Thing is if they want to kill most of us and suck us dry of our money there's a much easier way... Take away the nic and get most of us back on cigs. The few of us, and we are very few in the majority with nic don't matter.

 

[HazyShades]

This is interesting also:
Vaporizers, E-Cigarettes, and other Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems (ENDS)

This is unrelated to vaping but is an interesting read while you vape:
How the USDA Can Make or Break Public Health