I'd suggest against going in reverse with the drill trigger, what I do for minor mistakes is turn the chuck backwards by hand while gently pulling the bad wraps off. It helps keep the shape better & the wrap doesn't go straight or haywire on you
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When i say reverse the wire off Tom what i mean is that if the wires dont comply and stay para for even the first 5mm i just reverse drill and slide it all down off the end, cut that useless bit of decored off if needs be, dam im getting tired mate and having a hard job explaining
ive just been having a go at .1(38g) alien on 26g, i can do it but its a lot of work, seems pointless when 36 & 32g work really well
But have you ever tried them? They have a pretty nice vape to them. Before the 3 core alien came to light there was really only the 1 core alien stovetop: which was essentially that design with 1 core but straightened out. The wire naturally curved up like that.
Lol now you know how I feel slip, people ask me about alien coils & advice on other things all the time and it is tiring
I dont mind to much Tom, yeah a little tiring but its all worth it if we can get a few more vaping them, if anything it has made me better at making them, ive learnt a couple of things that i didnt know before like the splaying of the 3 wires was kind of an accident as i was in a rush and thought i wonder if it would still work, and as you know once you get a couple of aliens layed the rest follow, splaying the 3 wires as i did stopped the wires going triangle on me as often at the beginning of the wrap process if atall.
Another thing i was doing with this build was that as i was laying the alien i didnt want to overlay which can happen easy so i spaced the wraps down onto the core wire's a little and as i got so far along i would stop whilst keeping tension on the clapton wire i would hold the ends of the core wire with pliers whilst still in the drill and push/pull all the aliens together before continuing, so i was able to stop a few times through the laying to get them nice and tight.
I also think wrapping the clapton perfect the whole length helps with the laying of the alien as you will get less imperfections, what you think Tom?
Another thing i was doing with this build was that as i was laying the alien i didnt want to overlay which can happen easy so i spaced the wraps down onto the core wire's a little and as i got so far along i would stop whilst keeping tension on the clapton wire i would hold the ends of the core wire with pliers whilst still in the drill and push/pull all the aliens together before continuing, so i was able to stop a few times through the laying to get them nice and tight.
I also think wrapping the clapton perfect the whole length helps with the laying of the alien as you will get less imperfections, what you think Tom?
Have one in a Vector right now and vapes great. A single 5 wrapper.
Ya man, the funky looking aliens vape pretty well. I just finished up a 3 core 28g/38g alien. My eyes hurt lol. I originally claptoned about 9", got 6&1/2" of usable alien. I'm waiting on another wire shipment, I had to re-up on 28,30,34,36g & ribbon.
And yeah slip, when you wrap the original Clapton perfectly it makes even spacing between the decored and stretched wire to wrap up an alien. Practice does make perfect, I went so slow with the 38g, and didn't stretch it out too much. For the first 1/8" I spun the chuck by hand to feel out how much tension was needed with the 38g, and after that I just went super slow and I think the speed and how tightly you hold the wrap contributes to the 3 cores twisting up when you use a swivel clip like I do. I don't hold the wrap as close to the cores to the point where I could touch them, I hold it a few inches away and guide it along the cores that way. Granted I got a couple kinks in the wrap but only because the original Clapton wasn't perfect and it changed the alien spacing when I stretched it out. As to spacing out the aliens, sometimes I do that to prevent them from overlapping or to stop the cores from twisting. If I see the cores start to twist in the slightest, I'll take my pliers and clamp down right on the spot where they overlap and it pops them back into place. When I work with super thin gauge you can't really push them back together if they're spaced, you run the risk of ruining the wire if you press too hard with pliers. I'll run my fingers down and try to push them together that way.
I usually don't get spacing until the middle of the wire because I always shoot for an amount to make duals with. And when you get about 4-5" in on a 10" total length, the cores will want to start to twist. But at that point it doesn't really matter because that section of the wire is going to end up as a lead going into a post hole usually for me.
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Your a better man than me Tom, i dont have the patience to mess with the .1(38g) that much, it feels like it takes for ever to wrap.
Do you find that using the swivel method that it can be easy to squeeze one of the 3 wires out, basically making it a triangle, is that what you were saying? that was a sort of con that i found of doing it that way but thought it may have just been my technique!?
Do you find that using the swivel method that it can be easy to squeeze one of the 3 wires out, basically making it a triangle, is that what you were saying? that was a sort of con that i found of doing it that way but thought it may have just been my technique!?
the wrap only starts to triangle when the wires twist up or aren't aligned flush with eachother. I can see with your method that the 3 cores start out in a triangle shape due to the chuck. What about if you just started out the first inch with the wires in the separate sides of the chuck and then clipped them & moved it into the center? It would straighten out the wires and keep them flush with eachother.
If you think 38g is hard I'm about to attempt a 30/40g..I want to see if I can do it successfully
Update on 30/40g, really really hard, the cores kept twisting up, I got some good segments going but every inch to inch and a half the cores wouldn't want to listen to me and stay parallel to each other. It is possible, but I'd rather stick to 28g as the smallest core gauge. 40g just kinda slides on to the 3 wires perfectly, you don't need to hold much tension at all because it's so thin that it'll just correct itself over the cores as long as you don't over stretch it.
nah Tom if you look closely at the pics i insert mine parallel also but its not a case of just plonking the wires in and having perfect parallel wires as the chucks tighten a little dif to each other or the wires might be on a slight angle or maybe other variables. I suppose cus i also dont tape the opposite ends together this can lead to them falling out of sync but even where in the pic that you see i have opened the core wires up ready for working on they are still parallel, when i start to alien the core wire's close together and its easy to gauge how much pressure is needed to keep them from going into the dreaded triangle.
ive been making some stapled staggered fused claptons today Tom But i went 2x 24g A1, 6x .05 ribbon with 32g n80, i didnt realise how big the wire was gonna end up, just about fits in the twistedmesses rda but i could only get 3wraps on 2.5id so had to go single coil for 0.09ohm, a little bit of a ramp up
i say ramp up, its prob normal or fast for most But its a really nice flavour build so...i'll post a piccie tomor
i also need to try a dual of that mesh braid build i did a while ago, need more time!!
Haha yeah SSFC's get pretty big pretty quick. Ever try a half staple suture? It's essentially like a staggered fused Clapton but instead of 2 Claptons, use one and suture the ribbon to it. They look awesome when they're paralleled zipper style. I don't tape anything together when I do my aliens, the only time I use tape is for staples because those are my kryptonite. For some reason I find ribbon wire the biggest pain in the *** and hate working with it, but hey, if I get paid to make a staple for a customer I'll do it.nah Tom if you look closely at the pics i insert mine parallel also but its not a case of just plonking the wires in and having perfect parallel wires as the chucks tighten a little dif to each other or the wires might be on a slight angle or maybe other variables. I suppose cus i also dont tape the opposite ends together this can lead to them falling out of sync but even where in the pic that you see i have opened the core wires up ready for working on they are still parallel, when i start to alien the core wire's close together and its easy to gauge how much pressure is needed to keep them from going into the dreaded triangle.
ive been making some stapled staggered fused claptons today Tom But i went 2x 24g A1, 6x .05 ribbon with 32g n80, i didnt realise how big the wire was gonna end up, just about fits in the twistedmesses rda but i could only get 3wraps on 2.5id so had to go single coil for 0.09ohm, a little bit of a ramp up
i'll post a piccie tomor
i also need to try a dual of that mesh braid build i did a while ago, need more time!!
26g n80 Claptoned with 36g n80 twisted with 28g n80 then fused with 36g 80.
Finally got the fused clapton done right. 24n80/32n80 parallel to 24n80
Took one coil off and landed at 0.12
I'll try it with a 28n80 core next
Took one coil off and landed at 0.12
I'll try it with a 28n80 core next
@IonMan let your fused Claptons twist up while they're in the drill and you're still wrapping them. I don't care how much mine twist because you can always take the twists out with pliers when you're wrapping the coils. They look great! And btw - fused 24g N80 always comes to a super low resistance. I made 2x 7 or 8 wrap 24gN80/32gN60 Claptons for a customer and each coil ohm'd out to .15Ω. Needless to say the dual coil set up was a super low build and I told him not to use it unless he uses it on a parallel box with decent batteries.
Im gonna make a half Staple Stagger today. Probably 2x 26g sutured to either .6x.07mm ribbon or .5x.2mm ribbon because those are the only kinds I have at the moment. Gah how I hate ribbon. And Slip - where did you get that wire vice?
Build in my Dark Horse: 6 wrap 2.5mm 3 loop 30g N80 vertebraid. Easy to build and great to vape on.
Edit: size comparison between 30/40g & 28/38g aliens:
the 30/40g 3 core alien (one of the inch segments I got down lol is super thin, it's almost like .5x.25mm ribbon wire. So tiny. I'm not gonna attempt another 30g alien, I think I'm gonna stick to 28g highest, but the 28/38 looks great, it's uneven in certain parts but you can't really tell unless it's under a lens macro & digital macro.
Im gonna make a half Staple Stagger today. Probably 2x 26g sutured to either .6x.07mm ribbon or .5x.2mm ribbon because those are the only kinds I have at the moment. Gah how I hate ribbon. And Slip - where did you get that wire vice?
Build in my Dark Horse: 6 wrap 2.5mm 3 loop 30g N80 vertebraid. Easy to build and great to vape on.
Edit: size comparison between 30/40g & 28/38g aliens:
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When you make your fused claptons you can leave it in the drill then grab the end of it with your pliers and take out most of the twist by using the drill
i got it from the following link but since giving Mac the link it looks like they have sold out Items in Tools N Tools UK shop on eBay.
Maybe Mac can let me know if he ordered any? i'm sure there were a good few when i gave the link out lol
Maybe Mac can let me know if he ordered any? i'm sure there were a good few when i gave the link out lol
I just received my ss wire order!
parallel 22g 316ss coil @ .14ohms a little low for me but the flavor as well as ramp up time is amazing on a mech
parallel 22g 316ss coil @ .14ohms a little low for me but the flavor as well as ramp up time is amazing on a mech
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