Provape - A New Respect

[Phone Guy]

This is beginning to feel like ProVape fanboys jumping on what I posted. I never said it was a bad product in anyway.

My point EXACTLY!
This thread has become an if you don't agree that provape is better and safer than sliced bread, you're the enemy. We are all vapers here, but in this thread the only opinions your allowed to voice are positive ones or you get accused of trolling

Which by the way, I don't recall ANYONE saying anything ProVape put's out is not safe, or in fact not a good product... I think the points that were brought to the Provarinati (aka FAN BOYS) attention was simply that the product is dated, showing its age, and Vlad voiced his opinion it was not in everyone's budget.

But, now those who have voiced opinions not in complete alignment with the Provarinati, they are the enemy of said cult ** cough ** I mean group of fans.

The one thing I never mentioned before, in the video the only thing that shocked me (beside's ProVape NOT milling/manufacturing their own tubes), was that they (provape) does COMPONENT LEVEL REPAIR.... That is truly a lost art of electronics repair, I think the vast majority of electronics companies would simply switch the entire board in a few seconds rather than track down the individual component for replacement. I guess you could look at that a couple of different ways, but I'll say that was the only thing that truly surprised me in the video. I was not expecting that.

 

[Baditude]

The one thing I never mentioned before, in the video the only thing that shocked me (beside's ProVape NOT milling/manufacturing their own tubes)....

Provape indeed DOES mill/manufacture their own tubes. It's just done in their original manufacturing site in Monroe, Washington. PBusardo didn't include it in his tour because he only visited the newer facility which Provape recently moved into. No need to move all that heavy machinery, right?

"Several have asked if the ProVari is just “assembled” in the US or “made” in the US, so to address this questions here are some details:

The ProVape-1 and ProVari are actually MADE and ASSEMBLED in the USA.

Parts - Machined right here in Monroe, WA. We use US-made stainless steel bar stock to produce the tubes, top caps, bottom caps, contact pins, etc. Everything is done on our machines locally. No outsourcing."

--- http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/289525-provari-made-usa.html



Provari owners get criticised for correcting false information, like above.

Its a matter of opinion if one believes the Provari is dated and showing its age. For Provape's target demographic customer base (simple vapers who aren't doing sub-ohm or high wattage vaping, which fits the majority of regulated mod users), it still meets their needs well. That's MY opinion. If you need higher watts, then purchase a DNA mod or mechanical mod.

The point that if you were able to afford a cigarette habit, you can afford a Provari, seems to be a valid one to me. If you can't afford a Provari, you probably couldn't afford cigarettes either. That's ALSO my opinion.

 

[DPLongo22]

The point that if you were able to afford a cigarette habit, you can afford a Provari, seems to be a valid one to me. If you can't afford a Provari, you probably couldn't afford cigarettes either. That's ALSO my opinion.

Supported by every abacus in The Republic.

 

[AnsonJames]

My point EXACTLY!
This thread has become an if you don't agree that provape is better and safer than sliced bread, you're the enemy. We are all vapers here, but in this thread the only opinions your allowed to voice are positive ones or you get accused of trolling

Which by the way, I don't recall ANYONE saying anything ProVape put's out is not safe, or in fact not a good product... I think the points that were brought to the Provarinati (aka FAN BOYS) attention was simply that the product is dated, showing its age, and Vlad voiced his opinion it was not in everyone's budget.

But, now those who have voiced opinions not in complete alignment with the Provarinati, they are the enemy of said cult ** cough ** I mean group of fans.

The one thing I never mentioned before, in the video the only thing that shocked me (beside's ProVape NOT milling/manufacturing their own tubes), was that they (provape) does COMPONENT LEVEL REPAIR.... That is truly a lost art of electronics repair, I think the vast majority of electronics companies would simply switch the entire board in a few seconds rather than track down the individual component for replacement. I guess you could look at that a couple of different ways, but I'll say that was the only thing that truly surprised me in the video. I was not expecting that.

Can I ask if you've ever used a Provari?

 

[Vlad1]

Google "smok groove recall" and "e-cig explosion". These are issues of public record. Discussing it here is not going to bring further FDA attention.

A recall does not indicate a product is less safe than any other. What it does indicate is a company found a problem in its product and they are stepping up to the plate to resolve that problem. All major manufacturers have recalls from time to time that doesn't make them worse than others or more unsafe. As for "e-cig explosion" try looking up RC Battery, flashlight, cell phone or any other battery operated device. You will find they have explosions. YOU HAVE NOT PROVIDED ANY OBJECTIVE DATA TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIMS.

And I do believe the more we propagate stories & rumors whether it be here on the forum or in a conversation at the bar or restaurant the more fear we strike in the uninformed and uneducated in the e-cig.

I'm also tiring of the "poor smoker" argument. Once we start vaping NOW we worry about cost. Pbusardo really spells it out here.

Taste Your Juice | “BROKE VAPERS” AND PLAYING WITH NUMBERS

I really don't know how else to explain this. I've said it several times in this thread already, Provided an analogy, don't know what else I can say to get my point across. Try looking up "justify the expense" or maybe just "Justify"
The fact is if I could justify the expense, I do in fact have the resources to purchase as many of them as I could every possibly need. There is more to justifying a purchase than how much money is currently in savings. Not how poor or rich one may be

Basically if you were a smoker you can not only afford one Provari but multiple Provari. The numbers don't lie.

Well I don't know where your numbers are but I can look at my spreadsheet and tell you in fact at this point I'm about $300.00 in the red than if I were still smoking. I do believe over time I will be back in the black but that is really not the point of my original post or this thread.


That being said I've stated my take of the tour and ProVape to the best of my ability. Some can understand while others will continue to try to convince that my opinion is wrong.

 

[DPLongo22]

It took me almost six months to go from red to black. I'm now at 52% spend (48% savings) vs. tobacco. Time heals all wounds, even vaping ones.

 

[DeepSix]

I am simply dumbfounded....truly I am. I started a thread to highlight a video and maybe have some "valuable and insightful" conversation about the video and what "could be on the horizon" for Provape. Instead this thread turned into a bashfest. I knew this would happen, it happens with all threads that have the word "Provari" either in the title or the opening statement of a new thread. I thought maybe this thread would be different...silly me.

It truly amazes me the amount of hypocrisy shown by some. For "Those members" of the provarinati (always seem to be the same 5-6 members btw) that have to chime in and argue everything, trust me, we all get it. Everyone and anyone who has been on ECF for more than a month gets it. You truly do not have to spew how great the device is and how it does not need to change, then show pictures and trash everyone who does not think the way you do. NO ONE IS ARGUING THE QUALITY OF THE DEVICE OR THE PRICE FOR THAT MATTER. We get the marketing, the pricepoint, we GET IT. It is what it is. This thread was not about whats bad or great with the old models, its about what is coming out and how Provape manufactures the device.

END RANT.

Now I challenge "Those members" of the provarinati to keep on topic and add something insightful and more importantly ON TOPIC.

I can hardly wait to see the responses....

 

[slappy3139]

Well let's see, the improvements you mentioned in the first two pages of this thread that provape needed to make for you to consider buying the new provari
1. More buttons for menu and operation of device. There is a reason the provari has only one button, added interfaces with the chipset adds complexity which increases possible failure points. This affects possible durability of the device.

2. Up the amp limit. I am optimistically hopeful that this will be happening.

3. I think with the Provari's reputation of durability, any screen they do use, will be as durable and as resistant to moisture as the current model. I personally don't want anything on a new provari that would negatively affect the durability of the device.

4. Screen stealth mode. Hmm, every provari already has this feature, the only time the screen is active is when you are in the menus. There is also an option in the menus to turn the light on the switch off as well.

5. Micro USB port. My opinion on this is that this would also introduce another possible failure point. Hope it doesn't happen.

6. Top rings and extended caps. Provape is in business to make a profit, I'm sure whatever they decide to do as far as extensions and accessories will
be similar to what they do now.

My V2 provari, which has been my at work and out and about device for almost a year and a half now, has had numerous mishaps and has taken a lot of unintentional abuse, continues to work just as well today as it did the first day I received it. I have a full appreciation for the durability and reliability of this device and I am confident that whatever "improvements" Provape makes, it will be with the intention of making the new provari just as durable and reliable as the one that preceded it.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

 

[chrisz]

No logos, no banners, no official provarinati. 3 years this month smoke free, I've been through cig-a-likes, epower, &3, yes 3 lavatube clones. Really liked them lavatubes. Took just 1 vamo to sell me on the provari. Why did I wait so long? Hard headed, plain & simple. It works, & works better than any of the others I have mentioned. Hopefully I don't have to buy every 6 months now. I might however, buy another one in 18 months. Use whatever you like, I actually prefer my simple, 1 button, easily navigatable menu system. I've probably tried your brand. Have you tried mine?

 

[autobiogphnation]

The one thing I never mentioned before, in the video the only thing that shocked me (beside's ProVape NOT milling/manufacturing their own tubes), was that they (provape) does COMPONENT LEVEL REPAIR.... That is truly a lost art of electronics repair, I think the vast majority of electronics companies would simply switch the entire board in a few seconds rather than track down the individual component for replacement.

I work for a company and basically we're told to just swap PCBs instead of components because our customers lose so much money being down (manufacturing industry) so they'll pay the high price of our PCBs etc. But if we're not rushed we'll try to do component level repair, but its not as easy ad it used to be before.
But my industry vs the PV industry are two different animals; $ 60 for the PCB in a provari, $4000 for just a low end CPU at my company.

 

[p.opus]

Well I don't know where your numbers are but I can look at my spreadsheet and tell you in fact at this point I'm about $300.00 in the red than if I were still smoking. I do believe over time I will be back in the black but that is really not the point of my original post or this thread.

That being said I've stated my take of the tour and ProVape to the best of my ability. Some can understand while others will continue to try to convince that my opinion is wrong.

I am not trying to convince you your opinion is wrong. However, I do believe that you do the vaping community a disservice by equating all mods with the same level of safety and quality simply because you do not want to "scare" new vapers.

The smok recall ONLY occurred after a fire occurred from an end user. If you read the whole story, the failure was reported to smok and then the recall was pre-dated by the company so that it appears that the recall was issued before the incident occurred.

Feel free to read it here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/427656-please-read.html

As far as expense goes, you may be 300.00 in the red, and you can continue to be in the red, if you choose.

However, if you actually followed my link to pbusardos post, you would see where the numbers come from.

Yes, the upfront expense is greater initially, but if you buy quality goods that last and stop chasing the "next best vape" then you will catch up.

And to those of you who tire of the "ProVarinati" who keep saying the same thing, believe me, I tire having to type the same thing over and over again.

But there is always some guy who spreads half truths tells someone that a ProVari is "over $200.00". Says that a ProVari is no better than a Sigelei ZMax, or some other rubbish. I actually had a person on this board shocked that he could get a satin silver provari for $159.00 brand new shipped free from ProVape because the chorus of haters mentioned ad-nausium that a ProVari is over 200 bucks.

The funny thing is a majority of these people have never held a ProVari, much less used one, and there is a chorus of people who agree with such ignorance whole-heartedly.

Hey, if you have owned a ProVari and moved to something else, great... But if you have never owned or used one, you really have no point of reference to base your opinion. Just as I did when I also criticized the Provari.

I understand how some people get tired of hearing it, but If I had listened, I would have saved nearly $300.00 myself in inferior mods that have since failed.

 

[Phone Guy]

I work for a company and basically we're told to just swap PCBs instead of components because our customers lose so much money being down (manufacturing industry) so they'll pay the high price of our PCBs etc. But if we're not rushed we'll try to do component level repair, but its not as easy ad it used to be before.
But my industry vs the PV industry are two different animals; $ 60 for the PCB in a provari, $4000 for just a low end CPU at my company.

I'm in my 40's, and have been a tech junkie my whole life. I've done component level repairs, they're time consuming. And I think that's why companies swap out a $60 PCB instead of paying someone $xx/hr to isolate and repair a failed component. The reason I mention my age is I've been lucky enough to be involved with tech industries and observe the evolution of microelectronics. I *think* I understand why provape does the component level repair vs pcb swap, but I'd be assuming and guessing since I'm not involved with the company and their logistics.

Point being, as a guy from a time where component level repair was the only kind of "repair" there was, that impressed me.

 

[Drumonron]

I watched both parts and I give it and Provape 2 Giant thumbs up. These folks build one helluvah device that's lasted me 4 years...it just works and works and works and now I know why....water proof coating on the electronics...c'mon....it's rock solid and I cannot wait for their newest device! Buttery threads, solid in the hands...easily read LCD...safety safety safety...they will not sell an unsafe device.

Truth be told...if someone didn't want to be in the "Red" and stop the spending madness...get the provari and a kayfun lite plus, some kanther and cotton. What's your favorite juice?

Or...like my signature...get the provari, kayfun(or Russian) and a reo lp.

enjoy.

Me...well...I happen to like my devices and they love love love me right back.

 

[p.opus]

I watched both parts and I give it and Provape 2 Giant thumbs up. These folks build one helluvah device that's lasted me 4 years...it just works and works and works and now I know why....water proof coating on the electronics...c'mon....it's rock solid and I cannot wait for their newest device! Buttery threads, solid in the hands...easily read LCD...safety safety safety...they will not sell an unsafe device.

Truth be told...if someone didn't want to be in the "Red" and stop the spending madness...get the provari and a kayfun lite plus, some kanther and cotton. What's your favorite juice?

Or...like my signature...get the provari, kayfun(or Russian) and a reo lp.

enjoy.

Me...well...I happen to like my devices and they love love love me right back.

Since I got my ProVari's and Kayfuns it's been nothing but juice for me.

 

[Drumonron]

Since I got my ProVari's and Kayfuns it's been nothing but juice for me.

Amen...Vape on!

Though I do like new toys....my newest is the kick2 in a tube mod(it's called the dominus Fecit) and a 14500 batt with the kayfun lite plus on topper....with my bobas...I still have the provari v1 and she does not like my atty as it's around 1 ohm...too low for provari but I'm loving dis....I know I know....if I didn't hear that a new provape device was coming out within the year, the v2.5 would be mine, you know.

Vape ON!

 

[Driwash]

Phil, thanks for a in depth look at the provari. I am a rookie to vaping, just over a year. Smoked for 42 years and this new industry has change my life. When I started vaping, it was like dating for the first time, what to do, how do I get there. But as time goes by you get to the end result and bam. You find out that, the end result is always the same, we'll almost the same. It took me a year of testing the waters, to find out all the devices get you to the same place, vaping a liquid with nicotine to rid you of the cig habit. Opinions are like .... holes, we all have one, and how we get to the toilet is not issue,the end result is. Yes I did buy a provari two weeks ago, and NOW I GET IT.

 

[dimo]

I work in the industrial electronics repair industry. While it would be more cost effective for them to simply swap the boards, they will learn valuable information from the bad ones when they do component level repair. You can test your boards all your want and run all kinds of simulate tests and long term studies. But there is no replacement for real life long term tests, aka the end users.

If for example for every 100 bad boards they receive that they repair, they find 30% or 40% to have the exact same problem, they can use that knowledge to improve their design, perhaps do a small revision change, or identify or various manufacturing problems that can be correct for future builds.

If you want to offer what you believe to be the most reliable mod available, it's in your best interest to do component level repairs so that you can continually improve your product.

 

[Ibrahim Prophet]

I think the ProVari has been -and continues to be- competitive. I've only been vaping since July 2012 and can think of quite a few devices that have come and gone in terms of staying relevant. My ProVari does EVERYTHING I need it to do. I'm not a sub-ohmer so maybe that's why. Since I mentioned sub-ohming, let's be honest... Sub-ohmers are a subset of the vaping community. These are the advanced vapers and the people who are serious hobbyists. This group tends to own multiple devices and accessories (and have the disposable income to indulge in the hobby). The average person wants one device that will deliver their eliquid and deliver it well. The ProVari does exactly that. I'm pretty much that person. My ProVari is my only device besides my old eGo Twists.

Although I will have a new ZNA in my mailbox within 24 hours from this post, it's only because I wanted a DNA30 and like ProVape, HoH produce reliable products and in my opinion, can justify the price tag. That's saying a lot because when I first decided on a ProVari, I couldn't believe the cost. I was ...... at how much my ego's cost, so dropping $200 plus on one device back then was absurd, I thought.

At the end of the day, ProVape is still an industry leader for a reason. Whether some think they're behind the times or not, their business continues to grow. All of the bluetooth, puff-counting, $250assembledontheweekendinmygarageafterworking40hoursatmyregularjob devices, have and will continue to come and go, but my ProVari V2 has been with me since August 2012 and will probably out live me.

Lastly, the guys explained in the video that they build everything from the ground up. It's one thing to buy manufactured parts and assemble them in a basement somewhere, it's another to totally realize a product from idea to reality exclusively in-house. I don't consider where I live to be an overall sample of the vaping world, but when I come across vapers in vape shops or out in public, I see pretty much 3 types of devices: Mechs, eGo's, and ProVari's. The one VW device I've seen in person -a Hana DNA20- was some guy who worked at the vape shop and knew every ohm's law calculation form memory and could tell you how many wraps of any gauge wire to get any resistance you threw at him. Freaky.

Anyway, I quoted your post only because you made a couple of points I wanted to comment on, not to start a riff or anything. I do agree that it's time for ProVape to do more than a cosmetic change. I'm looking forward to the version 3 for sure.

Phone Guy, you hit the nail right on the head! That is exactly my thinking about provape. You have to innovate in order to keep competitive. I am hoping the new device will be more than an update, but be a game changer when it comes to PV's.

 

[stevegmu]

I think the ProVari has been -and continues to be- competitive. I've only been vaping since July 2012 and can think of quite a few devices that have come and gone in terms of staying relevant. My ProVari does EVERYTHING I need it to do. I'm not a sub-ohmer so maybe that's why. Since I mentioned sub-ohming, let's be honest... Sub-ohmers are a subset of the vaping community. These are the advanced vapers and the people who are serious hobbyists. This group tends to own multiple devices and accessories (and have the disposable income to indulge in the hobby). The average person wants one device that will deliver their eliquid and deliver it well. The ProVari does exactly that. I'm pretty much that person.

I don't know. I think those who know their juices, toppers and coils and who can get a great vape are the 'advanced' vapers. Sub ohming seems to be for kids who watch youtube videos of people blowing clouds. As far as expense, reading through the threads, most seem to have several $100 in FasatTech gear...

But, yes, for those who vape to not smoke, ProVari is the ideal mod...

 

[Ibrahim Prophet]

No doubt. I've seen some ProVari's chasing clouds. We forget sometimes that toppers and their setups are a huge factor in vape perfection as well.

In regards to the video: I remember during college, I worked for a small business that treated it's workers like .... Although some of us kids were only there to make some beer money, there were people who's livelihoods were in those paychecks. I'll tell you this, I stayed away from materials that came through that facility. Not that it was right, but the employees cared about as much about properly doing their jobs as the ownership cared about the workers. The stuff that I saw take place was not good. I can not imagine a bunch of disgruntled employees assembling ProVari's. Can you imagine the final QC guy at ProVape being ...... everyday because he's had the same 5 days vacation time for 15 years; no 401k whatsoever; one 15 minute break during a 10 hour shift; bounced paychecks; being paid regular pay for OT hours; having his hourly rate decreased whenever the owner felt like changing it? I could go on and on. It was family run so good luck going up the chain.

Anyways, it's great to get an inside look at ProVape. Pretty much what I expected but nice to see a grassroot company with standards, and rewarding the employees to execute those standards. I'm glad those employees like their jobs and the people who employ them; it's makes for me having a great end product.

I don't know. I think those who know their juices, toppers and coils and who can get a great vape are the 'advanced' vapers. Sub ohming seems to be for kids who watch youtube videos of people blowing clouds. As far as expense, reading through the threads, most seem to have several $100 in FasatTech gear...

But, yes, for those who vape to not smoke, ProVari is the ideal mod...