Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2

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Hiramkunz

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Ok, so pulling the billow v2 out beat me up on this, I wicked it so tight it moved my coils, I used Sally's because I cannot get a hang of dm. And I want to try tidi. I am getting great flavor, but slightly muted., it hisses after my pull, I am wondering if it is too tight. How do you upload images.
 
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Yeah I stop over from time to time but it's not the same you know.

I thought I sent you some DM with that Arabic sample.. I'll send some over, it's my go to... My preferences are posted in the op, I cherish it cause it's from Bulgaria..:) I was gonna send you some last week, sorry had family in town. My sister in law is on her 3rd round of treatments in under 4 years for a very rare cancer. It really sucks, she's only 34 and my nephew is 4.
Oh no worries, I know life comes at us everyday. I just had a scare with my mom, she beat cancer and has ongoing issues with radiation damage. They ordered a PET scan on her before the upcoming surgery, they suspected cancer was back but thankfully it isn't. I will add your brothers family to my prayers.

You may have sent some Jeremy, I wasn't the one who opened the package (I was out of town at the time). She may have thought it was packing material and it went with the package in the trash.

I don't find the Japanese cotton to be horrible, just nowhere near as good as rayon. And that's Sally's I'm comparing it to, compared to DM I may find it horrible.

I just had to add a bit PG to my NET since cotton can't keep up with wicking, never had to do that with rayon. If the cotton isn't thick enough where I have to do primer puffs it eventually starts leaking. Cotton is just not comparable to rayon, it's minor league in a major league game.
 
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Ok, so pulling the billow v2 out beat me up on this, I wicked it so tight it moved my coils, I used Sally's because I cannot get a hang of dm. And I want to try tidi. I am getting great flavor, but slightly muted., it hisses after my pull, I am wondering if it is too tight. How do you upload images.
It's too tight, you usually get a nuttiness along with flavor muting.

I only use Tapatalk so I can't give you image upload instructions for Web interface.
 

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f1vefour

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Personally I cut my wicks at an angle like this /O\

With the O being the coil, and I wouldn't go so far into the juice channels so the liquid is a bit more free flowing.

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Zoomed the image, the wick in the channels looks okay.
 

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Oh no worries, I know life comes at us everyday. I just had a scare with my mom, she beat cancer and has ongoing issues with radiation damage. They ordered a PET scan on her before the upcoming surgery, they suspected cancer was back but thankfully it isn't. I will add your brothers family to my prayers.

You may have sent some Jeremy, I wasn't the one who opened the package (I was out of town at the time). She may have thought it was packing material and it went with the package in the trash.

Thanks.. Same to you.

Ha ha she probably did cause I used it as such. Dang, those are valuable little balls too. Lol
 

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It is working fairly well, made the coils too big so had to finagle them in a bit. And these are the dm balls it is great.

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Hey Brother!

I would trim the wick like 54 suggested. With any Orchid style deck I trim the wick flush with the chimney ring threads and the just bring a little down into the juice channels. If the wick gets compressed in the juice channels from being too thick, the juice will not flow.

Not a Billow but my Silverplay V1 has a similar style deck and this is how I wick it.

Notice the cutout shelf at the top of the juice channels, this is where I want the end of my wick to rest in and not come down into the channel itself.
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Hard to tell from the pic below but the ends of the wick tail are just sitting in the cutout and don't get compressed very much when the chimney is screwed on.
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Here is a Ti build, excuse the janky looking coil, this time I used @Kaezziel's wicking method of coming out the juice channel, BUT those pieces that run down are very, very thin.
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Rayon is all about the density in the coil and trimmed tails. :thumbs:
 

Hiramkunz

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Hey Brother!

I would trim the wick like 54 suggested. With any Orchid style deck I trim the wick flush with the chimney ring threads and the just bring a little down into the juice channels. If the wick gets compressed in the juice channels from being too thick, the juice will not flow.

Not a Billow but my Silverplay V1 has a similar style deck and this is how I wick it.

Notice the cutout shelf at the top of the juice channels, this is where I want the end of my wick to rest in and not come down into the channel itself.
24g-coils-jpg.472413

Hard to tell from the pic below but the ends of the wick tail are just sitting in the cutout and don't get compressed very much when the chimney is screwed on.
ready-for-juice-jpg.472415


Here is a Ti build, excuse the janky looking coil, this time I used @Kaezziel's wicking method of coming out the juice channel, BUT those pieces that run down are very, very thin.
imHcZEwl.jpg


Rayon is all about the density in the coil and trimmed tails. :thumbs:
When I rewick I will try that just make it easier, I was just going for a few strands In the channels, it is vaping amazing right now

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When I rewick I will try that just make it easier, I was just going for a few strands In the channels, it is vaping amazing right now

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If it's vaping good keep going and don't mess with it till you have to. I think you've got it well enough. At first with a fresh wick there will be a little muting till it breaks in. It also let's you know that the wick is tight enough, better than too loose.

I think you'll get a good long run with this one. Shoot for 4 times longer than you were getting before, or more. Dont rewick unless it's needed.
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Ok, so pulling the billow v2 out beat me up on this, I wicked it so tight it moved my coils, I used Sally's because I cannot get a hang of dm. And I want to try tidi. I am getting great flavor, but slightly muted., it hisses after my pull, I am wondering if it is too tight. How do you upload images.

Hissing /sizzling after the hit means it's still trying to vaporize juice. The coils are still that hot. They are retaining enough heat to vaporize the juice after your vape.

Let off the fire button before you finish your draw to use that heat and vaporization potential. This cools the coils to below the cooking point and prevents the juice from baking onto your coils from just sitting there being too hot. That creates gunk too..
 
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Forgive me if this has been discussed recently, been too busy to keep up with the thread, and also haven't needed to because rayon never gives me any troubles now that I've got it worked out, heh.

But anyway, what's the consensus on the GeekVape Avocado? With cotton people keep saying it's best to cut it short and wave the tank around to keep it wet and bla bla bla, I've got no interest in that. As far as I can see that design is right up rayon's alley, isn't it? You should be able to just thin the rayon out far enough that it's just a few threads hanging down to the bottom of the tank, where it'll happily wick to the last drop right? And that way the juice holes are barely filled up, leaving plenty of room for pressure equalization and sticking a fine-tip juice bottle in there to fill. Or is that not the case?

tl;dr What's the technique folks are using when wicking the Avocado with rayon?
 
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Yes, your theory is correct and is what I would attempt.. Never did a Genesis. I would also try a long, long angled cut. say the wick from above the top of the hole to laid on the bottom is 3". Cut from the bottom all the way up past the hole at a sharp angle. |/| It may take a few tries to figure out what works best. A few members use gennys and I'm sure will let you know.

To be honest I wouldn't buy a Genesis. It's backasswards if you ask me. Bottom coils wick so much better. Liquid always flows downward better than it flows up, never seen a reverse water fall. If you don't vape at very high power it could be OK. If I can't wick the deck before it's assembled it makes it a real pain in the ... to try to shove the wick down into the holes. :2c:

I think there are much easier tanks to wick and vape. If you like the coil closer to your mouth get some tank with a nano kit. The bachelor tank is available in a nano now, probably the easiest tank to wick, works great.. There are others as well if you want dual coils.
 
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tedigram

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It's a combination of the novelty and airflow arrangement for me, really. When it comes to what I actually need to enjoy vaping on a daily basis, my three main tanks currently are already everything I need. But I keep reading that the single coil mode is a flavor beast, and I also want to try a deck that lets me direct air from two different directions, so there's no part of the coil that's in a dead zone to start crudding up. With rayon as clean as it is, the bane of my existence is the gradual spread of the crud from the airflow dead zones, so I figure it's worth trying.

Anyhow, I think I'll try it with a nice sharp angled cut the first time, then get thinner and thinner if necessary. I don't generally vape warm, and plan on running it in single coil mode anyway. I was just bummed to start seeing a consensus about short wicks and manual wetting with cotton, then realized/hoped all that fuss probably isn't applicable to rayon.
 
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