Get a giant box of Tidi balls (large, not medium) instead. Trust me on this.
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Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2
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I just learned of Tidi rayon and was researching it. Does anyone use these cylinders for nose bleeds and what not. They seem perfect for our uses and the perfect length to wick a coil. Here’s a link TIDI® rayon cylinders for sale - Google Search:
just to clarify I’m wondering if anyone uses these nose bleed cylinders for wicking purposes. After reading my post it seemed like I was asking if you’ve used these for nosebleeds which I’m not. Just wanted to be as clear as possible.
just to clarify I’m wondering if anyone uses these nose bleed cylinders for wicking purposes. After reading my post it seemed like I was asking if you’ve used these for nosebleeds which I’m not. Just wanted to be as clear as possible.
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Hi guys! A young Rayonati need your help!
It's already several months i use Rayon (and Rayon only), but this is the 1st time i get this kind of "msg" from Rayon (ye i find that Rayon speaks to me telling me where is the mistake..i see things..i hear things..fear me!): i got a darkening (is kinda Orangish goin towards brown) only in the upper side of the wick, but only inside the Coil.
This is happened after 8/9ml of use (and a couple of days), after wich i got a decrease of flavour (and goin proggressively down) and then BurnTaste (growing from barely perceptible to very high).
The 2 tails are completely white. The "shoulders" show only little signs of orangish.
The 1st thing i thought it's too few Rayon inside the coil, so after settlement (after about 9/10ml only) it loses the perfect adrerence with Coil --> so the Upper side of Coil is not enough Wet and it burns.
After opening and removiing the wick i see it came out kinda easily so i think this might be the case ('ve read one of the JeremyR posts sayng this).
But Looking at the coil i kinda see it pretty aderent everywhere.
Maybe slightly loose at one Shoulder, but not enough to give this result (i think). In the past i ve done this mistake (one shoulder only too loose) and got a sign of coloration only there (on the shoulder itself). The rest of the wick was super-clean and i got the BurnT very soon (after few puffs, not several ml of fantastic vaping).
My 1st question is : it's possibile it is not aderent (somehere) even if by looking at it i see wick pretty aderent to the Coil?
2nd question is: This phenomen might be caused by smth else?
some pics here..i ve more if not enough.
Ty in advance!
It's already several months i use Rayon (and Rayon only), but this is the 1st time i get this kind of "msg" from Rayon (ye i find that Rayon speaks to me telling me where is the mistake..i see things..i hear things..fear me!): i got a darkening (is kinda Orangish goin towards brown) only in the upper side of the wick, but only inside the Coil.
This is happened after 8/9ml of use (and a couple of days), after wich i got a decrease of flavour (and goin proggressively down) and then BurnTaste (growing from barely perceptible to very high).
The 2 tails are completely white. The "shoulders" show only little signs of orangish.
The 1st thing i thought it's too few Rayon inside the coil, so after settlement (after about 9/10ml only) it loses the perfect adrerence with Coil --> so the Upper side of Coil is not enough Wet and it burns.
After opening and removiing the wick i see it came out kinda easily so i think this might be the case ('ve read one of the JeremyR posts sayng this).
But Looking at the coil i kinda see it pretty aderent everywhere.
Maybe slightly loose at one Shoulder, but not enough to give this result (i think). In the past i ve done this mistake (one shoulder only too loose) and got a sign of coloration only there (on the shoulder itself). The rest of the wick was super-clean and i got the BurnT very soon (after few puffs, not several ml of fantastic vaping).
My 1st question is : it's possibile it is not aderent (somehere) even if by looking at it i see wick pretty aderent to the Coil?
2nd question is: This phenomen might be caused by smth else?
some pics here..i ve more if not enough.
Ty in advance!
If you are getting a burnt taste very early and your tails are saturated, the Rayon is way too loose in the coil IMHO.
Also, if you can easily pull the old wick out in one piece, it's too loose. I have to remove my old wick by pulling some of the top of it out first, this loosens the wick up enough to pull the rest of it out.
Also, if you can easily pull the old wick out in one piece, it's too loose. I have to remove my old wick by pulling some of the top of it out first, this loosens the wick up enough to pull the rest of it out.
Yea I think you may have it too loose also and it may be a sweet juice and the sweetener is gunking up the coil. So basically what the two reply’s above me have said it’s a combination of the two. Are you dripping or squonking?
I am so glad some of you guys appear to understand that post and have answers. I was completely (actually I remain) completely confused but hey it's rayon so you are GONNA figure out.
Good luck, is all I can firmly say.
Anna
Good luck, is all I can firmly say.
Anna
thx guys..i was kinda sure it was not enough rayon inside the coil.
@madstabber no squonk/dripping .. this is the Juggerknot Mini RTA (wich is fabulous btw imo).
Gotta say the wicking speed seemed to work perfectly (even during chain vape) till i reached that BurnTaste point.
I dont know if there are sweeteners coz i was using ready e-liquids. But the flavour are sweet (Caramel, Milk and smth else) so it might be. But after only 9ml it can gunks up this way?
I never use organic Tobacco (i.e.) btw.
@TrollDragon
you are talking about a WET wick right? (right after you un-mount the atomizer)
@madstabber no squonk/dripping .. this is the Juggerknot Mini RTA (wich is fabulous btw imo).
Gotta say the wicking speed seemed to work perfectly (even during chain vape) till i reached that BurnTaste point.
I dont know if there are sweeteners coz i was using ready e-liquids. But the flavour are sweet (Caramel, Milk and smth else) so it might be. But after only 9ml it can gunks up this way?
I never use organic Tobacco (i.e.) btw.
@TrollDragon
you are talking about a WET wick right? (right after you un-mount the atomizer)
So after like a year and a bit of not visiting because i gave up vaping nic i was in another thread and saw mention of something apparently better than Grahams CelluCotton, so i came here to the home of rayon, via a search (because i couldnt remember where it was lol), to see what this Tidi thing was all about...first reference i saw was @Katdarling 's here.....i only read to the end to see if anyone sent the great lady a sample
For shame, it appears no one answered the great ladies needs
Its hard to get even Cellucotton in Oz, one of the local rayon freaks will occasionally manage to find a box that doesnt cost the earth to get here. I was lucky to get box for less than a millionty AUD$ a couple of years ago. Imagine how pleased theyre going to be to read my new post today referencing this thread and this new unobtainium variety
When i gave up vaping nic, gave my lifetimes supply of Cellucotton to a friend.....less several metres sent out to other curious vapers as samples (hint hint )
For shame, it appears no one answered the great ladies needs
Its hard to get even Cellucotton in Oz, one of the local rayon freaks will occasionally manage to find a box that doesnt cost the earth to get here. I was lucky to get box for less than a millionty AUD$ a couple of years ago. Imagine how pleased theyre going to be to read my new post today referencing this thread and this new unobtainium variety
When i gave up vaping nic, gave my lifetimes supply of Cellucotton to a friend.....less several metres sent out to other curious vapers as samples (hint hint
)
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Yes, if the wick is wet and you are getting a dry/burnt hit then I'd go for more density in the coil.
I roll the Rayon up tight (without twisting it) and pull it through by putting a thumbnail on the edge of the coil to keep it from moving as I pull the wick through.
Hi!
Since a week Im also using rayon. It is a must in my squid peacemaker rta. Cotton is a fat no go.
I find it a little strange that my vapor is a lot hotter then with cotton.
To hot actually..
What can I do about it? My wicking in the coil is ofcourse thight, very thight. And has the angled cut on the tails.
Also the peacemaker rta has ridiculous small juice wells, do I snip not only like this: /===\ but also the left en right side of the tails is no problem?
Since a week Im also using rayon. It is a must in my squid peacemaker rta. Cotton is a fat no go.
I find it a little strange that my vapor is a lot hotter then with cotton.
To hot actually..
What can I do about it? My wicking in the coil is ofcourse thight, very thight. And has the angled cut on the tails.
Also the peacemaker rta has ridiculous small juice wells, do I snip not only like this: /===\ but also the left en right side of the tails is no problem?
If it's too hot, lower the power a little at a time. Rayon is different than cotton in many ways. Make sure you have enough in the coil. It needs to be a tight fit when pulling the wick through. If you don't hear/feel a squeak you don't have enough in the coil. Trim the tails down by at least 50% right up to the coil, preferably on the bottom side of the wick but the top is OK too. Another hint, after you make your first trim of the wick, wet the wick, thoroughly,with your choice of liquids, then form and trim some more as needed. A little messy but it works to get the wick just right.
@TrollDragon
thx. I kinda do the same, but recently i m using Complex (Fused Clapton mostly) so it's generally more stable (mechanical resistance) than round wire, wich is good and bad at the same time (coz it's harder imo to understand/Find the right amount inside the coil).
I've another question tho..is there anything (apart from the Wick not enough Dense inside the Coil) that can cause this phenomenon?
I mean the Darkening/Orangish of the wick only inside the Coil.
As far as i've read (here) usually the Tails become orangish/dark if they are too dense. This has happened to me several times and i fixed each time rly easily by Cutting/Thining more.
@awsum140
Great Hints (i guess were directed to Rotje tho)! I find that is rly important for Rayon that you wet and activate/break the wick (pulsing several "fire" while blowing on the coil) before the last Cuts/Trims!
The 1st times i used Rayon i did (like cotton) the whole regeneration with the Wick completely Dry, but it dosnt work at all with Rayon --> i got a lot of over-saturation (Leaks, Spitback, ecc) issues coz the Wick was a lot smaller than b4.
I feel that the Wick loses at least 20/30% of its volume after wetting and (even more) after activating it (usually i consume at least 0.5ml in this phase).
@rotje
Make sure the Wick dosnt cover the Air Holes, as it can reduce AirFlow and maybe some part of the coil is not cooled down correctly and so the vapor becomes hot (and you got a stronger hit as well).
maybe u have to power down your coil as well. Rayon needs to be used at higher wattage (than cotton), so you may have a warmer vapor. I like "cold" vapor as well, so i'm changing the coil in several atomizers, using a coil that requires less wattage (i.e. a Fused Clapton instead of Quad-Core CLapton). You can also decrease ID if possibile.
Using a long DripTip helps a lot too. Expecially on the short tanks with short 810 DT. Using a longer one gives less spitback issues and less warm vapor as well.
thx. I kinda do the same, but recently i m using Complex (Fused Clapton mostly) so it's generally more stable (mechanical resistance) than round wire, wich is good and bad at the same time (coz it's harder imo to understand/Find the right amount inside the coil).
I've another question tho..is there anything (apart from the Wick not enough Dense inside the Coil) that can cause this phenomenon?
I mean the Darkening/Orangish of the wick only inside the Coil.
As far as i've read (here) usually the Tails become orangish/dark if they are too dense. This has happened to me several times and i fixed each time rly easily by Cutting/Thining more.
@awsum140
Great Hints (i guess were directed to Rotje tho
)! I find that is rly important for Rayon that you wet and activate/break the wick (pulsing several "fire" while blowing on the coil) before the last Cuts/Trims!The 1st times i used Rayon i did (like cotton) the whole regeneration with the Wick completely Dry, but it dosnt work at all with Rayon --> i got a lot of over-saturation (Leaks, Spitback, ecc) issues coz the Wick was a lot smaller than b4.
I feel that the Wick loses at least 20/30% of its volume after wetting and (even more) after activating it (usually i consume at least 0.5ml in this phase).
@rotje
Make sure the Wick dosnt cover the Air Holes, as it can reduce AirFlow and maybe some part of the coil is not cooled down correctly and so the vapor becomes hot (and you got a stronger hit as well).
maybe u have to power down your coil as well. Rayon needs to be used at higher wattage (than cotton), so you may have a warmer vapor. I like "cold" vapor as well, so i'm changing the coil in several atomizers, using a coil that requires less wattage (i.e. a Fused Clapton instead of Quad-Core CLapton). You can also decrease ID if possibile.
Using a long DripTip helps a lot too. Expecially on the short tanks with short 810 DT. Using a longer one gives less spitback issues and less warm vapor as well.
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My first guess would be that the coil has more mass than the power you are using on it, possibly staying hotter and causing the center to darken from heat retention after your vape. What are the coil specs and what do you run them at?
Do you mean i use lower wattage than it's needed (under-powered)?
I'm using Clapton (28*2 + 36ga) (5 wraps @3mm) Spaced, 0.51 Ohm. I tested from 10w to 22w, but i'm using it mostly at 14/17w (varying AirFlow with AFC Ring)
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It sounds like I might have done well when I used a Ziploc of cellucotton as the padding for a pif to Aus.
Welp, ain't chu sweet, stylemessy! I appreciate that desire and thoughtfulness on your part. I'm fine tho! I have more wicking than a kandle kompany at this point, and wouldn't ya know it, but one of our own VERY special Rayonatti DID, in fact, send me a "sample" ("sample" = huge bag) of the Tidi Tidy Tidies!
The great (great = inept) lady's needs are MORE than met!
PS. I had little luck trying to unroll the buggers, but a day may kome that I give it another go.
Welp, ain't chu sweet, stylemessy! I appreciate that desire and thoughtfulness on your part. I'm fine tho! I have more wicking than a kandle kompany at this point, and wouldn't ya know it, but one of our own VERY special Rayonatti DID, in fact, send me a "sample" ("sample" = huge bag) of the Tidi Tidy Tidies!
The great (great = inept) lady's needs are MORE than met!
PS. I had little luck trying to unroll the buggers, but a day may kome that I give it another go.
I'll admit i just man-squee'd (and its no small thing when youre 48, and you thought your squee days were not only behind you, but highly improbable) when i saw your reply, one always feels spesh when one gets a reply or mention from The Lady
Im glad one of the very kind Rayonatti did send you some (tonnes) to try!
Im sure you'll master the unrolling...ive unrolled weirder things to vape...we once had a 15 page long thread about tampon rayon at our old home forum....you can imagine mostly middle aged blokes talking about and unrolling tampons....and then pros and cons, and err um taste, of different brands
At this point it would be remiss of me to not send a pre-emptive wave from our own forum kween, the Goddess Of Gloop...my name for she who plays with resin and maketh panels for Fairy Boxes, whom you know
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I run that same coil (AVS SS316L) in one of my B2Ks on the Inbox at 40W under TC, but I make contact coils since spaced ones pop too much for me.
If the build isn't giving you burnt hits then I wouldn't worry about a little discoloration in the coil, juice can contribute to that.
If it is giving you burnt hits, then trying to get a very tight density on a spaced fine gauge coil without deformation is a task. You can use the double insertion method by feeding 1/2 thickness of the wick into each end and pulling them through so they tighten in the middle. Also you could pull the wick through and fix the loop spacing afterwards with a knife or pick.
I run a lot of dual 8 wrap 22ga 3.5mm coils in my RTAs these days and that wire gauge is great. You can pull the Rayon through with the Leatherman and not worry about the coil even moving.
But that's a totally different vape, for low wattage builds like I have on my BSKR V1.5 MTL I use a simple 26ga coil at 20W, I gave up on 28ga when I stopped using Kayfuns.
I'll admit i just man-squee'd (and its no small thing when youre 48, and you thought your squee days were not only behind you, but highly improbable) when i saw your reply, one always feels spesh when one gets a reply or mention from The Lady
Im glad one of the very kind Rayonatti did send you some (tonnes) to try!
Im sure you'll master the unrolling...ive unrolled weirder things to vape...we once had a 15 page long thread about tampon rayon at our old home forum....you can imagine mostly middle aged blokes talking about and unrolling tampons....and then pros and cons, and err um taste, of different brands
At this point it would be remiss of me to not send a pre-emptive wave from our own forum kween, the Goddess Of Gloop...my name for she who plays with resin and maketh panels for Fairy Boxes, whom you know
Mr. Squee, please do wish the Goddess of Gloop a big hello from Bling in America, and a hug, too. Just for good measure!
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