Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2
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Yeah, just don't blow too hard. Power down and blow gently just to break it in, or not. Many times what flooded with cotton will no longer flood with rayon, so it could be a non issue.. Or you can just fire before assembled a few times juicing it.. That gets messy though cause juice splatters all over. Lol.
Its just a suggestion to you guys. Most don't do it, and thousands haven't, so it's up to you...
Some don't like the initial nutty taste, some don't even notice it.. So it's for those in the later category.
Ok, so you are FIRING the device when blowing in, that's a big difference. I assume the mod is being held in the normal down position. And this is all to avoid whatever funky taste one might get with rayon. I'm coming from cotton wicks, which just have a muted dull taste until the juice breaks it in. When I try my first rayon wick, I'm not going to do anything at first so I can see and taste what it's like. I have the Graham cellucotton brand coming. Thanks.
It's a muted taste, less offensive than cotton that's one main reason many people switch. . You typically get the muted nutty taste when the wick is too tight.. Which happens... If the density is just right there's no taste. If you get a lot of taste it's too tight. Start at about 20% more dense than cotton. That should get you close.
Rayon doesn't swell it will reduce in size as the fibers come together, align and expell all the air. It reduces about how much cotton swells, so the opposite of cotton. This happens over a few ml, so when beginning it's good to check at this time that it's still touching the coil. Or any problems you have the first day are usually related to density.
Your trying to determine the right amount of density that's not too much to cause muted breakin but enough to stay in contact with the coil
Rayon doesn't swell it will reduce in size as the fibers come together, align and expell all the air. It reduces about how much cotton swells, so the opposite of cotton. This happens over a few ml, so when beginning it's good to check at this time that it's still touching the coil. Or any problems you have the first day are usually related to density.
Your trying to determine the right amount of density that's not too much to cause muted breakin but enough to stay in contact with the coil
And if you somehow manage to get a dry hit with rayon it is much less harsh, I would say a 10x reduction.
And yes firing the coil!
One issue causing break in many times is contaminates from your hands. Skin oils are on the hands and quickly transfer to the rayon. Leaving a funky taste at break-in.. Anything else that may be on your skin.. Even washing with some soaps can leave a taste on the Rayon, Lotion soaps in particular. Anything oil based in particular. You usually want to wash twice and rinse well if you hands have been dirty. It all depends how sensitive your taste buds are, and what was on your hands, some won't notice regardless.
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Yeah dry hit is like nothing compared to cotton, and it doesn't even kill it, the Rayon doesn't burn. The coil only overheats, your coil burned the juice to it. It will Taste burnt for a few hits them it clears up and it's good to keep going for weeks more.
I have never got a dry hit and had to rewick.
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Like today I had an issue. Stupid weather here, it was 65 the other day now we're back in winter Temps in the 30s. Well my juice is 94%vg and set for 50 and above. Well 30° turned it to molasses. And I accidentally fired the mod carrying it. Yep had a burnt taste, vaped it about 10 hits and the burnt taste is gone, back to normal.. No damage to the rayon just some burnt juice on the coil... In this situation you can also take a folded napkin and wipe it over a wet coil to remove the burnt juice faster.
Yeah, after it's back acclimated in its warm environment. She's vaping just great, intense flavor from the juice.
Dry hits if you happen to get them on a proper wick are inconsequential. No rewick needed.
Dry hits if you happen to get them on a proper wick are inconsequential. No rewick needed.
Yep. For me, it depends on what juice I'm using. Some of my juices override the nutty taste (or it blends well enough with the flavor that I don't notice it much), for others, it just tastes 'off'. Those are the ones that I've been blowing through on. I'll take a pull and if it still tastes 'off', I'll blow through a few times... repeat as necessary. I especially like to do this when testing new flavors. Burn off a bit of juice and "season" the wick with the new flavor before finally tasting it. I definitely agree about the not doing it before assembly... hot sticky juice splatters are bad.
No problem. And yes, do this in the normal down position. Glad we could clear things up for ya.
I honestly can't wait for you to try the rayon... I have a feeling that you're going to love it and be a new convert! 
It is fun trying juices on rayon now after using cotton so long. It's like they are new and different. Never going back to cotton. Nope. No sirree.
I would suggest it's not a good idea to blow into an Aromamizer. I just tried it and had condensate spray out the air holes in all four directions! Messy!
I do blow through my Fogger V6s after refilling them to clear the chamber, below the deck, of any liquids that might accumulate down there, but that's not on a mod while firing and I keep a towel wrapped arounf it loosely to catch any spray. Lesson learned with the Aromamizer.
I do blow through my Fogger V6s after refilling them to clear the chamber, below the deck, of any liquids that might accumulate down there, but that's not on a mod while firing and I keep a towel wrapped arounf it loosely to catch any spray. Lesson learned with the Aromamizer.
I am still getting my head around the differences between rayon and other wicking materials.
So what is the troubleshooting rule of thumb with rayon. (For little coils as there is not much room or wick to adjust)
Over saturation needs more or less rayon?
Dryish vapour needs more or less rayon?
So what is the troubleshooting rule of thumb with rayon. (For little coils as there is not much room or wick to adjust)
Over saturation needs more or less rayon?
Dryish vapour needs more or less rayon?
Heya Krisma! Good to see ya wandering over here outside of da porches!
For me, over saturation needs more wattage. Could possibly be reconciled with more rayon, as well.
Dryish vapour... not exactly sure what you mean here, but I'm guessing that might be a symptom of under-wicking. Possibly thin out the tails a touch more and/or turn down the wattage a bit.
Krisma, small coils with thin wire do require some extra "finesse". When I was doing them I'd put enough rayon in, arrived at enough by experimentation at first, to slightly move the wraps of the coil. Heck, a lot of the time I ended up holding the feed end with a fingernail when pulling rayon through to avoid wrecking the coil. That telltale squeak that rayon makes is the give away. Hear or feel that and you're good to go.
I'll also echo Kazz and say normally rayon needs more power than the same build might use with silica or cotton because it does wick much better and more liquid is delivered to the coil. That extra liquid results in cooling the coil, more or faster, so more power is needed to maintain temperature.
I'll also echo Kazz and say normally rayon needs more power than the same build might use with silica or cotton because it does wick much better and more liquid is delivered to the coil. That extra liquid results in cooling the coil, more or faster, so more power is needed to maintain temperature.
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HA! I have to do that with anything smaller than 26ga...
Like I said... I have a habit of overstuffing my coils...
Heya Krisma! Good to see ya wandering over here outside of da porches!
For me, over saturation needs more wattage. Could possibly be reconciled with more rayon, as well.
Dryish vapour... not exactly sure what you mean here, but I'm guessing that might be a symptom of under-wicking. Possibly thin out the tails a touch more and/or turn down the wattage a bit.
LOL I still get lost out here in the big wide world but baby steps
It's getting better and I actually put a rebuilt BVC coil in one of my billet boxes. That is the ultimate test of faith because it's a PIA if you get it wrong. It vapes quite differently there than in a cerotank so I might need to tweak a bit more. (Using about a quarter of the roll) The flavour is quite strong but very clean. I put this up for the BB folks
LOL I still get lost out here in the big wide world but baby steps
It's getting better and I actually put a rebuilt BVC coil in one of my billet boxes. That is the ultimate test of faith because it's a PIA if you get it wrong. It vapes quite differently there than in a cerotank so I might need to tweak a bit more. (Using about a quarter of the roll) The flavour is quite strong but very clean. I put this up for the BB folks
Nicely done!! You've got way more patience than I for rebuilding those tiny little things... serious congrats to you on a job well done!
Nicely done!! You've got way more patience than I for rebuilding those tiny little things... serious congrats to you on a job well done!
I am quite specific with what I vape and they all use small coils. Billet boxes with bridge, carto tanks with Sophia's, Cubis tanks for my wood mods and an assortment of tanks that use CLR coils. Up until this ephiphany I was using braided silica which is as much trouble and you need to dry burn which can be an issue for the insulators. So I am quite practiced at the small stuff just not the rayon.
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