Cool build---How did you wick it? One piece through each coil tucked into the channels on top of one another?...lol
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Cool build---How did you wick it? One piece through each coil tucked into the channels on top of one another?...lol
one piece through each coil with tails on top of juice channels....top wick is spread on top of bottom wick
Here's one for the record book: I managed to vape 8 days (about 40ml) of Boba's on the same wicks! The coils were really nasty, and I should have changed/cleaned a day earlier, but I wanted to see just how long I could go before it started burning and tasting nasty...It never burned, and it really didn't taste that bad! (it just took a long time for the coils to heat up and start producing) The most I ever got out of cotton was maybe 3 days under similar conditions.
Fogger V4.2, dual 2.2mm/28ga(.67ohms) at 20watts regulated
Fogger V4.2, dual 2.2mm/28ga(.67ohms) at 20watts regulated
Wharfrat, I didn't boil the cc - it was just a fresh cc wick - taste was/is excellent.
bsoplinger, I installed the coil onto the - / + posts using the 5/64 bit as a guide to keep it straight over the tank hole. Once everything was tightened down and tested on the multimiter, I then pulled about 2-3 inches of cc and then separated out what I estimated I would need for that size coil - twisted a point onto one end and threaded it through the coil towards the tank hole. Using something pointy (I used needle nose tweezers and then just a very small jewelers screwdriver) I then started pushing the wick into the tank - all the while thinking to myself: "this outta take a few hours... " - But to my surprise, and due to the cc's long stranded quality, the wick just nicely kept sliding into the tank. I was surprised how easily it all got setup... much easier then using SS mesh, and NO shorts !!
EDIT: By pushing the wick into the tank, I meant to say that I do this from the end of the coil just over the tank hole.. so very tight quarters, but definitely doable.. I am not known for my patience
bsoplinger, I installed the coil onto the - / + posts using the 5/64 bit as a guide to keep it straight over the tank hole. Once everything was tightened down and tested on the multimiter, I then pulled about 2-3 inches of cc and then separated out what I estimated I would need for that size coil - twisted a point onto one end and threaded it through the coil towards the tank hole. Using something pointy (I used needle nose tweezers and then just a very small jewelers screwdriver) I then started pushing the wick into the tank - all the while thinking to myself: "this outta take a few hours... " - But to my surprise, and due to the cc's long stranded quality, the wick just nicely kept sliding into the tank. I was surprised how easily it all got setup... much easier then using SS mesh, and NO shorts !!
EDIT: By pushing the wick into the tank, I meant to say that I do this from the end of the coil just over the tank hole.. so very tight quarters, but definitely doable.. I am not known for my patience
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posted by treehead:
sure why this isn't catching on faster guys! I've heard claims that CC is only better for flavor only, but I'm personally getting:
~noticeably better flavor/nuances
~noticeably bigger vapor (best part to me
~noticeably less dry hits
~much, much faster wicking (don't have to wait after I re-drip)
~easier building (it doesn't compact/cut off juice flow hardly as easy as cotton, it wicks well even when dense, stays fluffy always)
~wicks super efficiently (this and fast wicking speed are my two favorite parts, it transports fluid like no other. Everytime I check my coils when I feel it getting dry, the deck and CC are nearly bone dry. You can tell that the outer edges of the wick have moved all it's juice toward the heat of the coils, which is amazing, it moves it where it's needed until the last drop!)
Treehead, thorough post and excellent feed back brother!
your right it excells in all categories, it's the bomb.
It's been around for over a hundred years yet there's nothing about it being harmful in any way. Quite to the contrary; its pure cellulose more pure than can be found in nature.
I've done a lot of research and wouldn't have thrown this out there if I thought it was harmful in any way. As you are, I'm very in tune with my body and have noticed a LOT of positive benifits. Like you, I'm well versed in chemicals and the human body.
It has caught on pretty good so far. What's holding it down is the rayon boogie man that people uneducated on the subject are afraid of. As well as people thinking its like cotton because of the cellucotton brand name. The name for one adds some acceptance to it because they see a familiar name, but can also backfire in it being thought of as cotton. It's a completely new wick and takes some learning in how to use it.
Thanks again for your support.
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Wharfrat, I didn't boil the cc - it was just a fresh cc wick - taste was/is excellent.
bsoplinger, I installed the coil onto the - / + posts using the 5/64 bit as a guide to keep it straight over the tank hole. Once everything was tightened down and tested on the multimiter, I then pulled about 2-3 inches of cc and then separated out what I estimated I would need for that size coil - twisted a point onto one end and threaded it through the coil towards the tank hole. Using something pointy (I used needle nose tweezers and then just a very small jewelers screwdriver) I then started pushing the wick into the tank - all the while thinking to myself: "this outta take a few hours... " - But to my surprise, and due to the cc's long stranded quality, the wick just nicely kept sliding into the tank. I was surprised how easily it all got setup... much easier then using SS mesh, and NO shorts !!
EDIT: By pushing the wick into the tank, I meant to say that I do this from the end of the coil just over the tank hole.. so very tight quarters, but definitely doable.. I am not known for my patience
Nicely done...I usually use a piece of kanthal and push the wick down into the tank. I either put it directly into the hole and work the wick in that way or from the top of the coil and gently work it downward that way. I pull up on the wick than push it back down with the kanthal to make sure it is not bunched in the thickness of the top of the tank...
Just got a Magma and put dual chimney coils on wicked with rayon. It is working great so far. I kept the tails as short as possible, just so that it would reach the bottom of the well. It is pulling juice like a champ.
Well, Ive got another strange discovery about my vaping experience and rayon. Ive been searching for a nice "berry" flavor, and have quite a few good ones collected in my ejuice box. I thought my rayon wicking skillz have been questionable, but it seems every berry flavor i have brings out this taste that i don't like.
Its strange, but after a little while i start tasting this cotton/rayon/nasty flavor. This just happened to me, and I slowly finished my drops of extreme berry and dripped in a known good tasting juice, and instantly i'm blowin decent clouds with huge flavor. Same wick, No hint of nasty flavor, so im surmising that my couple few berry ejuices dont mix will with rayon. Sounds ridiculous, but seems to be what i'm experiencing. ive gone for over a week dripping with dfw "ja makin me crazie", and never had gross flavor, but i cant get thru four drops before tasting something bad with this berry flavor. weird...
Its strange, but after a little while i start tasting this cotton/rayon/nasty flavor. This just happened to me, and I slowly finished my drops of extreme berry and dripped in a known good tasting juice, and instantly i'm blowin decent clouds with huge flavor. Same wick, No hint of nasty flavor, so im surmising that my couple few berry ejuices dont mix will with rayon. Sounds ridiculous, but seems to be what i'm experiencing. ive gone for over a week dripping with dfw "ja makin me crazie", and never had gross flavor, but i cant get thru four drops before tasting something bad with this berry flavor. weird...
I've been using Kanger T3S's re-coiled with the CC and the air holes opened up. I have one juice that I don't like using the rayon, I also tried the rayon from the WalMart melatonin bottles, the rest of the juices are improved with the CC/rayon. It's the Uncle Junk's Jon Wayne that I have a problem with, I've gone back to cotton only for that. I have tried different ohm coils, bumping the voltage and varying how much rayon I use but none of them seem to work with the Jon Wayne. I don't know what to think but within the next week or two I'll be getting a dripper and maybe a Kraken clone then I'll see how the JW is with rayon, looking forward to moving up.
I'm so glad I missed the blue foam tea bag days...
Well no, not really, cause I was still smoking a pall and a half a day
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Okay great success for the most part pushing Sally's rayon around town to various vapers and shop people in the B&M's ... people give a funny look when you start pulling out 10 feet or more to stuff in a bag for them. Plus they ask: "Whats in that big box you have there ..."
Late last week ordered some Medline rayon balls ... Let us just say I now have many, many life times worth of rayon.
The balls are incredibly easy to unroll in comparison to cotton. The "medium" or what I'm initially calling really f'in small, are a little more whisped together, but the "Large" is pretty good to work with. Advantage of the medium is that they are almost the right size to start wicking with with less fuss ...
Keep in mind these shipped in white paper bags labeled very clearly NON-STERILE.
Its an insane amount, but I intend on giving out a lot of it.
Some pics with reference part numbers and scale included:
Overall scale buying in bulk::
Large:
Medium:
Ball size on scale:
Unrolled large:
Unrolled medium:
Just in case people are buying this or smaller amounts so you know what you're getting.
Enjoy all.
Late last week ordered some Medline rayon balls ... Let us just say I now have many, many life times worth of rayon.
The balls are incredibly easy to unroll in comparison to cotton. The "medium" or what I'm initially calling really f'in small, are a little more whisped together, but the "Large" is pretty good to work with. Advantage of the medium is that they are almost the right size to start wicking with with less fuss ...
Keep in mind these shipped in white paper bags labeled very clearly NON-STERILE.
Its an insane amount, but I intend on giving out a lot of it.
Some pics with reference part numbers and scale included:
Overall scale buying in bulk::
Large:
Medium:
Ball size on scale:
Unrolled large:
Unrolled medium:
Just in case people are buying this or smaller amounts so you know what you're getting.
Enjoy all.
Ok so I finally got my agi back from a friend. I wicked it up with cc as soon as I got of work with 8 wraps of 26awg.
My question though is am I wicking this right? I did get a dry hit pretty quick and did not have the fill hole open. I just opened it up and dropped a few drops on the wick to re saturate the top but I put her down to type this. Is the fill hole open the trick to creating a good vacuum? I'm not very experienced with genesis atomizers and my former attempts were fails. Luckily the agi can be a dripper
Anyways help would be appreciated! I think she's beautiful!
Also glad to read that post treehead! Great to hear how much you're enjoying the cc
My question though is am I wicking this right? I did get a dry hit pretty quick and did not have the fill hole open. I just opened it up and dropped a few drops on the wick to re saturate the top but I put her down to type this. Is the fill hole open the trick to creating a good vacuum? I'm not very experienced with genesis atomizers and my former attempts were fails. Luckily the agi can be a dripper
Anyways help would be appreciated! I think she's beautiful!
Also glad to read that post treehead! Great to hear how much you're enjoying the cc
Have been working my way though this mahoosive thread.
Thing is that I am not exactly a cotton wool fan at all but can see the convenience of it. Anyways curiosity has got the best of me so let eBay be my friend and have a box on the way.
Looking forward to trying it in one of my Roses and bottom feeder. I'll be back once I have had a play.
Thing is that I am not exactly a cotton wool fan at all but can see the convenience of it. Anyways curiosity has got the best of me so let eBay be my friend and have a box on the way.
Looking forward to trying it in one of my Roses and bottom feeder. I'll be back once I have had a play.
So I have been following this thread with great skepticism for about 2+ weeks. Mainly because of the unknown effects of vaping rayon long term.
Finally caved in today and bought the 44060 cellucotton box from sallys.
Loaded up my origin v2 with it and I will try to put into words the noise I made my first hit:
"GOD DAYUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM"
This stuff is so clean, its obscene.
Some of the juice i hated before on cotton now suddenly taste phenomenal.
To me vapor production is about the same, but the boost in flavor for me is about 40% increase. I can really taste the subtleties in my juices now.
Still though, the thought in the back of my head that it might be unsafe is making a bit hesitant to switch.
But, in my mind i mean if were vaping cotton, im sure there is alot of unsafe qualities about it as well. I guess im just trying to convince myself to ditch cotton haha.
Finally caved in today and bought the 44060 cellucotton box from sallys.
Loaded up my origin v2 with it and I will try to put into words the noise I made my first hit:
"GOD DAYUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM"
This stuff is so clean, its obscene.
Some of the juice i hated before on cotton now suddenly taste phenomenal.
To me vapor production is about the same, but the boost in flavor for me is about 40% increase. I can really taste the subtleties in my juices now.
Still though, the thought in the back of my head that it might be unsafe is making a bit hesitant to switch.
But, in my mind i mean if were vaping cotton, im sure there is alot of unsafe qualities about it as well. I guess im just trying to convince myself to ditch cotton haha.
NahkriinKrosis,
I would definitely leave the fill plug out if the is the only air hole into the tank.
The rayon tends to get like a blob of jelly and doesn't let the tank breath. You don't want any vacuum to build up in the tank.
Now it depends on how you use your mod in a horizontal or .... down position. With the fill plug out if you experience any leaking from the tank to the coil deck there is a trick I use (actually I stole the idea from my ZAP). I trim off the top of a long pointy drip tip from one of my empty juice bottles and insert (or screw in) to the fill port. The net result will be a very small hole to allow air to enter the tank preventing any vacuum build up and prevent any impediment to the wicking action.
I would definitely leave the fill plug out if the is the only air hole into the tank.
The rayon tends to get like a blob of jelly and doesn't let the tank breath. You don't want any vacuum to build up in the tank.
Now it depends on how you use your mod in a horizontal or .... down position. With the fill plug out if you experience any leaking from the tank to the coil deck there is a trick I use (actually I stole the idea from my ZAP). I trim off the top of a long pointy drip tip from one of my empty juice bottles and insert (or screw in) to the fill port. The net result will be a very small hole to allow air to enter the tank preventing any vacuum build up and prevent any impediment to the wicking action.
Ok so I finally got my agi back from a friend. I wicked it up with cc as soon as I got of work with 8 wraps of 26awg.
My question though is am I wicking this right? I did get a dry hit pretty quick and did not have the fill hole open. I just opened it up and dropped a few drops on the wick to re saturate the top but I put her down to type this. Is the fill hole open the trick to creating a good vacuum? I'm not very experienced with genesis atomizers and my former attempts were fails. Luckily the agi can be a dripper
Anyways help would be appreciated! I think she's beautiful!
Also glad to read that post treehead! Great to hear how much you're enjoying the cc
Looks like too much. See the bulge at the bottom of your coil? I put the fill plugs in on my gennies. But I can tell when I get an airlock from a fat wick in a small hole. I have actually reverse tilted to dry a CC wick enough to break the lock.
Getting just the right amount of wick in the coil and the right amount in the wick hole is tricky. I am still trying to perfect it. I would make sure you have the right amount in the coil, then play around with how much is in the wick hole. I have not been able to get mine to wick fast enough without tipping it upside down for a few seconds in-between puffs (IDK maybe that is a std practice). The best I have achieved was by having the coil filled but reducing the amount of wick in the hole so the hole is not filled w/ wick but rather has space around it. This allows the liquid to more readily seep onto the wick thru the extra space in the wick hole then continue on to the coil.
Sorry, but I also have a question on this as well. I know that you don't want the wick hole to be filled/plugged with the wick so do you make a coil smaller than the wick hole (so u use the same diameter of wick from the coil thru the hole) or do you wick a larger diameter coil and reduce the width of the coil as is goes thru the wick hole into the tank. Also, in relation to the wick hole, say a 2mm wick hole, what diameter coil would be optimal for wicking?
If anyone has any better tips then please chime in, I would love to know as well.
Sorry, but I also have a question on this as well. I know that you don't want the wick hole to be filled/plugged with the wick so do you make a coil smaller than the wick hole (so u use the same diameter of wick from the coil thru the hole) or do you wick a larger diameter coil and reduce the width of the coil as is goes thru the wick hole into the tank. Also, in relation to the wick hole, say a 2mm wick hole, what diameter coil would be optimal for wicking?If anyone has any better tips then please chime in, I would love to know as well.
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Cotton is cellulose grown in a field. Rayon is cellulose created in chemistry set. They break down wood, bamboo, sawdust... whatever refine out the cellulose molecules and bond them back together.
From a Google search:
"Cellulose is an organic compound with the formula n, a polysaccharide consisting of a linear chain of several hundred to over ten thousand β(1→4) linked -glucose units. Cellulose is an important structural component of the primary cell wall of green plants, many forms of algae and the oomycetes. Some species of bacteria secrete it to form biofilms. Cellulose is the most abundant organic polymer on Earth. The cellulose content of cotton fiber is 90%, that of wood is 40–50% and that of dried hemp is approximately 45%."
Rayon to the best of my knowledge is pure cellulose... but please look that up don't take my for it. This also the reason that Rayon is more absorbent than cotton.
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