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EvilZoe

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I research too, but most people don't have the inclination. And buying an $8 eJoy or $25 on a "cig-alike" starter or even spending $100 on a decent battery/vaporizer is disposable income to many people, and basically a "wash" to someone changing from cigarettes and willing to stick with it for a week or so (patches or Chatix cost even more). So it is different. And the jargon presents a barrier to entry - there's a reason eJoys and Blus are in every gas station, and <pick your favorite> isn't. They make it easy.

There's no barrier to people who really want to know. Chances are they'll run a search in Google about a certain question they have and it will take them exactly to the answer because someone else asked it first and someone more knowledgeable - and understanding of the new person's lack of education on the topic - answered it for them in terms they could understand and/or pointed them to more information on the subject.
 

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There are smokers who will not quit smoking regardless of what options they have. There are smokers who will quit only if it's convenient and costs less. There are smokers who, for health reasons, have to quit ASAP, and look for alternate methods, and find forums and information on a search. There are smokers who try the gas station cigalikes and will switch over and hear of other gear you can buy and also search. Then there are those who truly want to learn as much as they can. You can lead a horse to water to make it easier, but that doesn't mean they will quit. Some just won't. The barriers of jargon and abundant info like on this forum can be overwhelming to someone new, I get that. I was overwhelmed too, even had someone guiding me, and I went with the easiest place to buy from where I could just click and know it was going to work when I bought it. It took weeks to weed through information on forums and general searches, watching youtube videos, etc. I get that some don't have the time to devote to research and learning the lingo. But, this is a forum, for people who are vapers, who do use the lingo. I don't go out of this circle and talk with people using lingo/jargon. I explain things to them. I think you are losing perspective that this is forum.
 

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I'm sorry, but I think you guys are giving this dude way too much credit. He's obviously an intelligent enough person, he knows perfectly well that the jargon is primarily used by Vaping Hobbyists (or Vobbits, and yes, I'm gonna keep using that one till it sticks :blush:) on sites like this, and is just trying to rile up some entertainment (successfully, I might add) by throwing up inflammatory rants and comments and sitting back to giggle as we all blow up. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but I've seen this kind of behavior far too often not to recognize it when I see it.
 

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I'm sorry, but I think you guys are giving this dude way too much credit. He's obviously an intelligent enough person, he knows perfectly well that the jargon is primarily used by Vaping Hobbyists (or Vobbits, and yes, I'm gonna keep using that one till it sticks :blush:) on sites like this, and is just trying to rile up some entertainment (successfully, I might add) by throwing up inflammatory rants and comments and sitting back to giggle as we all blow up. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but I've seen this kind of behavior far too often not to recognize it when I see it.

I'm sure you're right. He did the same thing on another thread this week, so yeah, it's a pattern.
 

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I'm sorry, but I think you guys are giving this dude way too much credit. He's obviously an intelligent enough person, he knows perfectly well that the jargon is primarily used by Vaping Hobbyists (or Vobbits, and yes, I'm gonna keep using that one till it sticks :blush:) on sites like this, and is just trying to rile up some entertainment (successfully, I might add) by throwing up inflammatory rants and comments and sitting back to giggle as we all blow up. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but I've seen this kind of behavior far too often not to recognize it when I see it.

Vobbits is okay, but I'm a batman fan. I will be, the Vapeman! The VG Knight! The Dark Liquid Avenger! (or vape wing duck)
 

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I research too, but most people don't have the inclination. And buying an $8 eJoy or $25 on a "cig-alike" starter or even spending $100 on a decent battery/vaporizer is disposable income to many people, and basically a "wash" to someone changing from cigarettes and willing to stick with it for a week or so (patches or Chatix cost even more). So it is different. And the jargon presents a barrier to entry - there's a reason eJoys and Blus are in every gas station, and <pick your favorite> isn't. They make it easy.

Most people who aren't committed to wanting to quit smoking generally don't do the research. If the latter were the case ECF & similar forums wouldn't have so many members. People who don't have a huge amount of cash to spend in my opinion...are more prone to do their research. And yes Blu & njoy are everywhere but most people I know who attempted to quit with just those are still smokers or have found places similar to ECF to gain more knowledge so that they can continue their smoke free journey using something other than gas station ecigs.

The lingo is not a barrier. Not asking questions to better understand the lingo & vaping in general is the barrier, and that doesn't only apply to vaping. Unfortunately we are a country of instant gratification. If it doesn't work right away or doesn't give you the steps listed out in great detail most people don't want it. But anyone who's ever wanted to make a change of any kind in life knows that that change requires some work. So yes, vaping does require that you put in some work but if it's important to you and you're serious about wanting to make the change its worth it. But if you're not willing to do the work & read a little because you really don't want the change then it's easier to attack the topic at hand.

And yes chantix costs more than the gas station brands do but it's not just the battery that makes the difference. It's the battery, the consistency of the output of said battery, the level of nicotine in whatever juice or pre filled cartomizer etc... And as easy as the gas station brands seem to make it...as you say...if you read the threads here on the forum, even those who used them consider them to be an introduction to vaping and not a long term vape to sustain them staying off of the analogs.
 
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Most people who aren't committed to wanting to quit smoking generally don't do the research. If the latter were the case ECF & similar forums wouldn't have so many members. People who don't have a huge amount of cash to spend in my opinion...are more prone to do their research. And yes Blu & njoy are everywhere but most people I know who attempted to quit with just those are still smokers or have found places similar to ECF to gain more knowledge so that they can continue their smoke free journey using something other than gas station ecigs.

The lingo is not a barrier. Not asking questions to better understand the lingo & vaping in general is the barrier, and that doesn't only apply to vaping. Unfortunately we are a country of instant gratification. If it doesn't work right away or doesn't give you the steps listed out in great detail most people don't want it. But anyone who's ever wanted to make a change of any kind in life knows that that change requires some work. So yes, vaping does require that you put in some work but if it's important to you and you're serious about wanting to make the change its worth it. But if you're not willing to do the work & read a little because you really don't want the change then it's easier to attack the topic at hand.

And yes chantix costs more than the gas station brands do but it's not just the battery that makes the difference. It's the battery, the consistency of the output of said battery, the level of nicotine in whatever juice or pre filled cartomizer etc... And as easy as the gas station brands seem to make it...as you say...if you read the threads here on the forum, even those who used them consider them to be an introduction to vaping and not a long term vape to sustain them staying off of the analogs.

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I would like to thank Mike.S for starting this thread, I laughed till I cried at some of the posts. The wit and humor were superb. There seems to be a thread of this sort at least once a week. Laughter is good medicine, I only hope Mike.S was able to laugh a bit as well.

I'm tellin' ya!!!! :lol:

I've laughed until I cried reading this thread.. tried to leave three times, only to return....

InTheClouds is right Mike.... there are some sharp tacks in this bunch. Many are ultra-intelligent in spite of all of the Tom Foolery.

To know them is to :wub: them.
 

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I'm sorry, but I think you guys are giving this dude way too much credit. He's obviously an intelligent enough person, he knows perfectly well that the jargon is primarily used by Vaping Hobbyists (or Vobbits, and yes, I'm gonna keep using that one till it sticks :blush:) on sites like this, and is just trying to rile up some entertainment (successfully, I might add) by throwing up inflammatory rants and comments and sitting back to giggle as we all blow up. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but I've seen this kind of behavior far too often not to recognize it when I see it.

I know what you mean CrimsonJack, but I see it more as giving the benefit of the doubt. I haven't seen anyone riled up yet either and I've found it rather entertaining actually. Not going to speak for anyone else, but I doubt I'm the only one.

And if it gets out of hand, well the last person that went there is still suspended. Been a while too :thumb:
 

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The world of vaping can seem daunting to new converts expecting a simple one step solution to people who just want to give up cigs. Mike raised some valid points, the terminology can be confusing at first. Unfortunately, he also managed to come across as a condescending, patronising .......

Further proof, if it were needed, that very often it's not what you say that counts, but how you say it.
 

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OK, I'm a newbie. Picked this up as about a month ago as what I believe to be a better alternative to smoking tobacco. I've spent much more time than necessary understanding what's what. All I read/hear in the "vaping" world reminds me of all the BS in the audiophile world of subjectivity over objectivity, form over function, obscure terminology for obfuscation instead of understanding.

The terminology just seems to be part of an exclusive, private club. You're either in or out, and it's a bar to entry.

Peeves:

"Vaping." OK, I understand the desire to differentiate from smoking tobacco, I really do. But please understand that "vaping" is likely to convey (illegal) drug connotations to the general public, right or wrong. I can't pretend to have come up with something better, but "smoking alternative" or "vapor smoking" is probably better received, whether it looks like a cigarette or not.

"Analogs." Just call them cigarettes, which is what everyone else does. If you want to make people think they're not part of the club, calling them analogs is a good start.

"Cartos." "Attos." "Clearos." "Glassos." etc. They're all atomizers/vaporizers (pick a term). I get the whole custom/differentiation thing, but lose the cuteness and use one all encompassing term to refer to this part. Groucho, Harpo, Chico, and Zeppo are OK.

"e-juice," "e-liquid." It's not the juice of anything. It's not electronic ("e") in any way. It's a liquid, just call it that. Or maybe "e-cigarette liquid."

... does "mod' mean? Perhaps it at one time meant modified. But, if you can buy a "mod" off the shelf, it's not modified, is it? Just call it a battery. Maybe it's fancy. It doesn't matter, it's a battery (holder).

VV/VW. VV is really CV - sure, you control (vary) it, but you're telling it to deliver a Constant Voltage. VW is the same only different, it's actually Constant Wattage. Plain batteries with no electronics provide VV/VW - the Voltage/Wattage varies as you drain the battery. And that terminology come from a long history of professional, lab grade, voltage sources/power supplies, don't try to change it. But it is, first and foremost, a battery.

Having said all that (and I'm sure I could think of more), I don't expect to change the industry. But many here seem to want to encourage this to go mainstream faster than it already is. The whole terminology thing makes that hard, and presents a barrier to entry - fundamentally there are only three things involved - a power source (call it a battery), a liquid, and a vaporizer. Don't make it harder than it is, that comes later. If you try to get someone into it, tell them to get a battery (and charger), a vaporizer which fits it, and a liquid which tastes good to them - the detail comes later.

Or, don't. But expect that big tobacco will make it easy to understand/buy/use, and that's where the market will go. This industry is its own worst enemy.

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MikeS., you make a lot of good points. People that are really into this as a hobby should not take offense because there are many of us who don't want it as a hobby, and would like to cut to the quick of things. Find what we want and like quickly and economically. That is why the cigarette look alike starter kits do well, even though we eventually find the bigger batteries and tanks work better. Then we find we can fine tune the liquid as well with nicotine level and vegetable glycerin vs. pg amounts. One of my 'pet peeves' is the connections. Do I have a 510, 808? etc. I hope standardization is coming. Nothing is more frustrating being new at this than spending money and getting a piece that does not fit. Yet many of the hobbyists realize this, and really go out of their way (like this forum) to help, even breaking things down into new member forums and newbie guides. I am keeping a positive attitude and hoping for the best :)
 

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MikeS., you make a lot of good points. People that are really into this as a hobby should not take offense because there are many of us who don't want it as a hobby, and would like to cut to the quick of things. Find what we want and like quickly and economically. That is why the cigarette look alike starter kits do well, even though we eventually find the bigger batteries and tanks work better. Then we find we can fine tune the liquid as well with nicotine level and vegetable glycerin vs. pg amounts. One of my 'pet peeves' is the connections. Do I have a 510, 808? etc. I hope standardization is coming. Nothing is more frustrating being new at this than spending money and getting a piece that does not fit. Yet many of the hobbyists realize this, and really go out of their way (like this forum) to help, even breaking things down into new member forums and newbie guides. I am keeping a positive attitude and hoping for the best :)

Great points DSullivan and if someone wants to keep it simple, they can say so and we do help the best we can. The Model Specific Discussion sub-forum also has sub-forums devoted to the simpler/smaller devices.

This thread is not about that though.

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