Shinyitis Support Group

[TrollDragon]

Pardon the TC noob question in advance. Got SS, made fused clapton for Zeus, ohms at .27 Have it set up on my Drag 157. The watts are at 50 and the temp is set to 470. Does that sound right? Not sure how the watts are affecting the temp. Sorry for asking here but I don't know that I'm up to trying to wade into another thread and having to be social with a new set of people.

Test it out in power mode and see how well it vapes at 50W. In TC mode your wattage setting controls how fast the coil comes up to your set temperature. I run mine anywhere between 450F and 480F with the wattage a little higher than I would run in power mode.

This is all within reason setting the power to 20W would probably never hit your preset temperature and setting the power to 80W might possibly be too much for the coil. It all depends on the build...

Anyone who tells you they are getting an excellent vape below 400F does NOT have TC set up correctly and it is not functioning properly. Also I had an idiot on the iJoy FB group tell me that TC worked perfectly on his Captain with his tank using N80 wire. Tried to explain to the ..... that the TC doesn't work on the Captain and he could not use N80 wire for TC anyway. He says that he hits the fire button and it vapes, so it must be working...

Most people have their first TC experience with junk from smok or iJoy, it never works properly and they never try it again.

 

[Walter_Sobchak]

Test it out in power mode and see how well it vapes at 50W. In TC mode your wattage setting controls how fast the coil comes up to your set temperature. I run mine anywhere between 450F and 480F with the wattage a little higher than I would run in power mode.

This is all within reason setting the power to 20W would probably never hit your preset temperature and setting the power to 80W might possibly be too much for the coil. It all depends on the build...

Anyone who tells you they are getting an excellent vape below 400F does NOT have TC set up correctly and it is not functioning properly. Also I had an idiot on the iJoy FB group tell me that TC worked perfectly on his Captain with his tank using N80 wire. Tried to explain to the ..... that the TC doesn't work on the Captain and he could not use N80 wire for TC anyway. He says that he hits the fire button and it vapes, so it must be working...

Most people have their first TC experience with junk from Smok or iJoy, it never works properly and they never try it again.

Really appreciate the detailed explanation. You rock

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Here's one for you people

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What has been seen...

 

[PJReid]

Toying with this....View attachment 715713

Doesn't Trinity Glass Tanks have those glass caps?

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Was just waiting on that.
Not too concerned so it can ride the slow boat.

Ordered.

Amazing. You lasted a long time this time.

 

[jfcooley]

They do, just thought $3 2as better than $20-$25.
They carry none for the rdas I have already.

 

[TrollDragon]

Really appreciate the detailed explanation. You rock

You will probably need to play with the power, temp and wire TCR value until you get it dialed in. The Drag is a little odd with it's TCR value and I think Anthony had to turn it up to 500F in his review.

Using a dripper is the easiest way to learn. Build a simple single coil, saturate the wick, vape till dry and the Drag should cut the power before the wick starts to burn. If the TC is not working properly you will get a dry hit, if the temp is too low it will cut power before the wick is dry.

If you are not getting a decent vape at all with a temp of 450F or higher it could be that the TCR value is too low and will need to be increased.

Also make sure the build vapes perfectly in power mode. It wouldn't be the first time trying to figure out why TC is hitting protection too soon, just to find out that there is a wicking problem and the coil isn't getting enough juice.

 

[Walter_Sobchak]

You will probably need to play with the power, temp and wire TCR value until you get it dialed in. The Drag is a little odd with it's TCR value and I think Anthony had to turn it up to 500F in his review.

Using a dripper is the easiest way to learn. Build a simple single coil, saturate the wick, vape till dry and the Drag should cut the power before the wick starts to burn. If the TC is not working properly you will get a dry hit, if the temp is too low it will cut power before the wick is dry.

If you are not getting a decent vape at all with a temp of 450F or higher it could be that the TCR value is too low and will need to be increased.

Also make sure the build vapes perfectly in power mode. It wouldn't be the first time trying to figure out why TC is hitting protection too soon, just to find out that there is a wicking problem and the coil isn't getting enough juice.

You sir, are a wealth of information!
I will play around with it using a dripper tomorrow. Your explanation makes it very easy to understand.
With the Zeus at about .2 ohms I couldn't take more than three or four long hits without fear of it drying out at 40-50 watts. In TC I've got it set at 50 watts and with a .28 coil I noticed the vapor production getting reduced at the beginning of my 5th vape at 480 watts.
Once again, I really appreciate your advice/help.

 

[Letitia]

So Crazy Chef educated me on how to adjust my pot and was kind enough to not point out that I'm an idiot.

 

[Walter_Sobchak]

So Crazy Chef educated me on how to adjust my pot and was kind enough to not point out that I'm an idiot.

Nice to see that people still respect their elders

 

[Letitia]

Nice to see that people still respect their elders

Where's that damn middle finger rating! I'm usually not rude enough to use it, willing to make an exception tho.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

The temperature control algorithm in your chip is just a model of a real world relationship between a dependent variable (temperature) and and independent variable (resistance). You have to calibrate your model in order to make it behave like the real world relationship it simulates.

There are two ways of calibrating a simple model with one dependent variable. One way is to change the intercept with the Y axis. The other is to change the slope of the curve.

For our purposes, the Y intercept point is the cold resistance of the build and the slope is determined by the coefficient--i.e., temperature coefficient of resistance.

If you're confident that you're using the correct TCR for the material in your build, and that the material will perform as predicted, then you should calibrate the model by changing the intercept--change the cold resistance.

Why? Because the slope of the curve isn't going to change. It doesn't matter if you start at 50 or start at 100 if the rate of change between 1 and 500 is the same from start to finish.

If your vape is too cool at what your mod thinks is 500-ish F or too cool at 400-ish F and you're sure you have the correct starting point, the slope of the curve is wrong. If it's too hot, you need to lower the TCR because the relationship is positive--resistance increases as temperature increases. If it's too cool, increase the TCR.

Edit: and now I see @TrollDragon already handled the coefficient thing. What a beautiful mind he has... (hurr)

 

[Walter_Sobchak]

The temperature control algorithm in your chip is just a model of a real world relationship between a dependent variable (temperature) and and independent variable (resistance). You have to calibrate your model in order to make it behave like the real world relationship it simulates.

There are two ways of calibrating a simple model with one dependent variable. One way is to change the intercept with the Y axis. The other is to change the slope of the curve.

For our purposes, the Y intercept point is the cold resistance of the build and the slope is determined by the coefficient--i.e., temperature coefficient of resistance.

If you're confident that you're using the correct TCR for the material in your build, and that the material will perform as predicted, then you should calibrate the model by changing the intercept--change the cold resistance.

Why? Because the slope of the curve isn't going to change. It doesn't matter if you start at 50 or start at 100 if the rate of change between 1 and 500 is the same from start to finish.

If your vape is too cool at what your mod thinks is 500-ish F or too cool at 400-ish F and you're sure you have the correct starting point, the slope of the curve is wrong. If it's too hot, you need to lower the TCR because the relationship is positive--resistance increases as temperature increases. If it's too cool, increase the TCR.

Wow. There's a lot more that goes into TC than I ever imagined

 

[smacuser]

Hey @smacuser!

Sup devil?

 

[Letitia]

Sup devil?

Playing with new gear. How about you sweetie?

 

[Letitia]

Randy don't believe for one minute that heart lets you off the hook.

 

[Walter_Sobchak]

Randy don't believe for one minute that heart lets you off the hook.

 

[smacuser]

Randy don't believe for one minute that heart lets you off the hook.

Stuck in China PreShip. lol.

 

[Letitia]

Stuck in China PreShip. lol.

That was wicked good. I'll keep him on the hook until China delivers.

 

[Joru'us C'baoth]

Well, I suppose eating our vape gear will make room for some new purchases.

Just don't use your batteries in the fireplace and I have no idea whether lithium ions are safe for consumption, but if they are, I'm adding my old ones to the vacopalypse bunker.... Don't want to run out of lithium, you know. Vaping is probably not as fun while psychotically depressed, in fact I'm fairly certain I'd want to return to smoking at this point.

AND THE HUSBAND went out and returned with TWO tins of American Spirit tobacco. One tin equals ONE carton. I'm torn between doing nothing, and flushing it down the toilet. I guess we'll see how his mood is as the night progresses..... TWO though. That is just so unnecessary. When commented he said, "I'm still quitting."
"That's not even PLANNING to quit, that's planning to not quit."
"You aren't helping my quitting attempt!"

LOL. He better be in a good mood. Although I suppose if he's gonna do what he's gonna do? Well, I suppose it's better than him buying more.

I still maintain that is NOT QUITTING. LOL. Kinda makes me want to buy a high end mod like the Minnikin V2. Just saying.


Anna

Those truly ready don't buy more temptation.