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Good morning shinies or IS it?

Waking up. Then "continuing education" awaits. I usually pick stuff that looks interesting and/or I know about. Sign 19 more not so bad.

Anna

I know how you feel Anna. As a Realtor, I have to take 8 hours of CE a year, and every other year, I also have to take an Ethics CE class. I can do 4 hours of an elective online, but for the 4 hours General update, I have to actually go to a class. It's a pita, but I live in one of the best real estate markets in the US....so I don't complain too much
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Hope you have a nice shiny day Anna
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I like to future proof my computers

There is no such thing as "future proofing" any computer. With the speed at which technology is developed your computer was already dated the day it left the factory. I spent my working life installing/maintaining/repairing very large scale systems. Tech was my thing.

As far as Pshop speed on a PC versus a Mac, with the proper spec'ed machine either will give you the desired result. How much do you want to spend??? That is the bottom line.
 

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"Oh you know computers, well my PC is doing...." Sorry, take it to Staples or Best Buy or find a local shop... :glare:
It's difficult enough being the family go-to for tech advice. You gotta draw the line somewhere.
 

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There is no such thing as "future proofing" any computer. With the speed at which technology is developed your computer was already dated the day it left the factory. I spent my working life installing/maintaining/repairing very large scale systems. Tech was my thing.

As far as Pshop speed on a PC versus a Mac, with the proper spec'ed machine either will give you the desired result. How much do you want to spend??? That is the bottom line.

I agree with you SMT. I guess what I meant by "future proof", is getting a tower that easy to switch out the ram, graphics card, HD, and getting the newest/best processor available. Not only does tech advance at the speed of light....it's expensive, so I like to "future proof" my purchase so it will last as long as possible.

Hope you have a great shiny day SMT
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Okay I am awake! It's not even 8 am but after these latest set of alerts, I'm off to like do my CEUs. I also really want to like, play with my Dragon (whoever came up WITH that software and the name of that software was a genius.) I got gifted the medical version thank GOD. No spelling of "sebaceous cyst" and whatnot. Srsly I am excited to see what is new and different.

I am also excited to never type again except by choice.

Walmart would be nice so CEUs it is.

Also, damnit my med box

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Good morning Charlie. I don't know what your needs are besides Photoshop, but I have a few suggestions for the configuration of your new desktop. Photoshop can be pretty system intensive depending on what you're doing with it. If you are just doing some light photo editing, you don't need the highest specs for the puter. If you are doing anything graphics intensive, that will change. I would get at least an i5 processor, with 8 gigs of ram, and an ssd to at least put the OS on. If it was me, I like to future proof my computers and put at least a quad core i7, with 16 gigs of ram, a dedicated graphics card(doesn't have to be a gaming card, but at least something like an Nvidia GTX 1060 or 1070), and a terabyte ssd so all programs can run on the ssd, and have plenty of fast storage. You can either put an extra hd in for extra storage , or just use an external hd if you need it. I would not order the puter with all the upgrades, because they charge way too much. Just get the lowest price/spec option they have available. With a desktop, it's easy to upgrade the ram on your own, as well as swapping out the HD for an SSD. I am a photographer as well as a Realtor, and do a lot of photo and video editing on my machine, and I want it to run fast, hard, and as smooth as butter for years to come. You probably know all this already, and it's just View attachment 832995 , and ymmv, but I hope this helps. Hope you have a wonderful shiny dayView attachment 832997
Thanks Rob but i'm up to speed with what I need and yes I do use photoshop for some pretty intensive processing so for me so even the max RAM wouldn't be a bad thing. I think i'm going to go with with an i8 processor, with the 1080 GC with 8gbts RAM and i'm still undecided as to whether to go with more RAM than 16 which is minimum. As you probably know photoshop will use just about as much RAM that you can throw at it. An SSD goes without saying... ;)

I'll let you know when I do the deed....

I'm a Realtor also and my hobby is photography so we will be doing similar stuff I expect. One of my favourite programs is PS but you soon learn that you pretty much need one of the best comps that you can get to run it efficiently :rolleyes:
 

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As we speak i'm trying to make up my mind on the best desktop to buy after years of using laptops. I finally settled on an XPS system by Dell as all the info seemed to be saying that windows was better for photoshop etc. Obviously with the right spec though.

I haven't actually done it yet because I keep prevaricating about my choice. Mac's, for a long time were the best for all those graphics applications but also i've always had windows so didn't want a huge op system learning curve and as i say they seem to be falling behind again...

It certainly seems though that the question to ask is will it run photoshop fast. If it will you've pretty much got yourself a good computer :)

I use a custom builder when I need a new desktop (laptops, well a good midrange machine is fine for the basics, even Photoshop). Every part is selected by me, and with installation it costs maybe $300 over what I'd spend myself for the same components, and the cabling is a lot neater than I'd ever do and it comes with a total warranty on top of the individual warranties of the components. I put together a liquid cooled gaming machine with SSD's and a top range video card for a little less than an XPS with specs below it (don't get me started on Alienware prices)

So when my daughter started architecture school she needed a real workhorse. Being in the "creative" field she did have a Macbook Pro with all the bells and whistles (yes, I know, but wait, the story changes).

She needed to run Creative Suite, primarily PS and Illustrator, and more important, Rhino and AutoCAD for all her designs and 3D renderings. A Mac Pro desktop to do that was $10K decked out. :shock:

So I went back to Maingear, my original builder, and got her a tower with 8 hot swappable hard drive bays, a server motherboard with a 6 core Xeon processor, 32 GB RAM, a 500 GB SSD (they were still really expensive back then) plus a 2 2 TB internal drives, and most important an Nvidia Quadro video card that was the single most expensive component of the whole thing. The case alone weighed about 40 pounds and all told close to 50 with the power supply ( I think it was an 800W if not more power supply). At the end of each semester she needed her boyfriend to help move it for her until the next semester's studio work began. Total cost was about $3,600.

While her classmates were sitting watching a single 3D rendering take 3-4 hours to complete, her's were done in under 45 minutes, so she actually could get more than 3 hours of sleep a night (architecture school is brutal).

She still has it, and just like my stuff, every single item can be easily replaced and upgraded. The case alone will last forever (just about every mounting configuration for a motherboard you can imagine), and as is it's still more than fast enough for her needs. Same as my gaming machine.

Not a knock against retail computers, most of them are more than enough for all but crazy demanding software (and PS isn't even all that demanding unless you're dealing with giant psd images with 64 layers and batch processing 100 RAW images). But if you need demanding stuff like high end video editing or 3D rendering (or Bitcoin mining), going with custom is in the end more cost effective. If you can do it yourself, great. If not, there are decent custom "boutique" assemblers out there for not all that much more when you figure out total costs and your individual needs.
 

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Well, I topped myself for a shinyitis run on everything. I have about 4 vape gear things coming in and today I bought a new gas range, washer/dryer. And tomorrow will probably be the new laptop. Lol, I never blew through so much in one day. FYI, it's tax free weekend here in MA when everyone is out buying big ticket items. Since my appliances are 30 years old I figured it was a good excuse before they start crapping out on me. Still can't believe I bought all that stuff....I'm so cheap! Teehee:laugh:
Good to see you treating yourself Muth!
 

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Pretty sure what needs to be said about PS and computers has.
Once upon a time I used PS, Illustrator, Quark on a daily basis. Seems like many moons ago.

With the onset of subscription pricing, I've quit photoshop. Never paid for it anyway but thats not a topic for here. Having not used in awhile I've set up GIMP and am going to see if I can adapt.

My new old Macbook seems to be running quite quickly. GIMP is heavy(ish) and loads quickly. The original HDD has been replaced with an SSD, I took out the optical and added another SDD (I had one, would recommend an HDD if not) and maxed RAM to 16gb. While not an impressive computer, it's working well for what it's needed for.
 
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I use a custom builder when I need a new desktop (laptops, well a good midrange machine is fine for the basics, even Photoshop). Every part is selected by me, and with installation it costs maybe $300 over what I'd spend myself for the same components, and the cabling is a lot neater than I'd ever do and it comes with a total warranty on top of the individual warranties of the components. I put together a liquid cooled gaming machine with SSD's and a top range video card for a little less than an XPS with specs below it (don't get me started on Alienware prices)

So when my daughter started architecture school she needed a real workhorse. Being in the "creative" field she did have a Macbook Pro with all the bells and whistles (yes, I know, but wait, the story changes).

She needed to run Creative Suite, primarily PS and Illustrator, and more important, Rhino and AutoCAD for all her designs and 3D renderings. A Mac Pro desktop to do that was $10K decked out. :shock:

So I went back to Maingear, my original builder, and got her a tower with 8 hot swappable hard drive bays, a server motherboard with a 6 core Xeon processor, 32 GB RAM, a 500 GB SSD (they were still really expensive back then) plus a 2 2 TB internal drives, and most important an Nvidia Quadro video card that was the single most expensive component of the whole thing. The case alone weighed about 40 pounds and all told close to 50 with the power supply ( I think it was an 800W if not more power supply). At the end of each semester she needed her boyfriend to help move it for her until the next semester's studio work began. Total cost was about $3,600.

While her classmates were sitting watching a single 3D rendering take 3-4 hours to complete, her's were done in under 45 minutes, so she actually could get more than 3 hours of sleep a night (architecture school is brutal).

She still has it, and just like my stuff, every single item can be easily replaced and upgraded. The case alone will last forever (just about every mounting configuration for a motherboard you can imagine), and as is it's still more than fast enough for her needs. Same as my gaming machine.

Not a knock against retail computers, most of them are more than enough for all but crazy demanding software (and PS isn't even all that demanding unless you're dealing with giant psd images with 64 layers and batch processing 100 RAW images). But if you need demanding stuff like high end video editing or 3D rendering (or Bitcoin mining), going with custom is in the end more cost effective. If you can do it yourself, great. If not, there are decent custom "boutique" assemblers out there for not all that much more when you figure out total costs and your individual needs.
That sounds like a mean machine....actually my son is a comp whizz and he did price up the things I needed to build it myself but in the end it wasn't that much of a saving so I decided that the lazy me would prevail :)

The XPS systems are good for expansion and depending what case you get they have masses of room with spare slots for the extras and upgrades you may need.

I'm the same with anything I buy really. I research it to death to learn as much about it as possible so as to have the info to make the right desicion. That's great until you end up with multiple, multiple options and then I sit there trying to come to a desicion about what configuration gives the best bang for buck..... :facepalm::facepalm:
 

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Of a the things that help speed up work on a computer, the SSD has been a giant leap for any level computer. Especially now that prices have dropped so much there's really not much reason for it to not be a standard component.

About 6 months ago I got a midrange Asus laptop. Nice laptop, 16 GB RAM, a good IPS 1080P screen (at 15 inches I don't need a 4K screen). The machine was $250 more with an SSD along with the 1 TB HD included. It has an m.2 connector for an SSD board. So I bought the stock unit, bought an SSD board for about $100 on sale and installed it in that m.2 slot myself. It's now a very snappy machine.
 
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Pretty sure what needs to be said about PS and computers has.
Once upon a time I used PS, Illustrator, Quark on a daily basis. Seems like many moons ago.

With the onset of subscription pricing, I've quit photoshop. Never paid for it anyway but thats not a topic for here. Having not used in awhile I've set up GIMP and am going to see if I can adapt.

My new old Macbook seems to be running quite quickly. GIMP is heavy(ish) and loads quickly. The original HDD has been replaced with an SSD, I took out the optical and added another SDD (I had one, would recommend an HDD if not) and maxed RAM to 16gb. While not an impressive computer, it's working well for what it's needed for.

I hate that subscription model they went to. I hate the whole model of "leasing software" instead of owning it, even if the costs do come out close if you were a frequent uograder, which I sometimes was.

GIMP is actually pretty powerful, but it's a big adjustment from PS. Nothing feels natural to me. It'll do just about everything you want (and there are all sorts of plug-ins for it out there) but I'm not sure I'll ever feel all comfy with it after all that PS time. But I'm also not doing anything close to the kind and volume of photography that I used to so it's not that big a deal for me.
 
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Pretty sure what needs to be said about PS and computers has.
Once upon a time I used PS, Illustrator, Quark on a daily basis. Seems like many moons ago.

With the onset of subscription pricing, I've quit photoshop. Never paid for it anyway but thats not a topic for here. Having not used in awhile I've set up GIMP and am going to see if I can adapt.

My new old Macbook seems to be running quite quickly. GIMP is heavy(ish) and loads quickly. The original HDD has been replaced with an SSD, I took out the optical and added another SDD (I had one, would recommend an HDD if not) and maxed RAM to 16gb. While not an impressive computer, it's working well for what it's needed for.

I've been using Gimp and Blender for a while. Just for messing around with computer games and playing with images so it runs fine on my low end Dell hardware. For me Gimp is so much fun that I rarely play the games any more. It's like any visual software, it would take years to learn everything. Coming from PS makes it even harder early on. The easy stuff is easy. Until last month I had a 5 year old staying here. She learned how to select a brush and a color and draw pictures. I'll put one of her masterpieces below.

I would love to build a serious PC but I don't need it and I need my spare money for vaping gear. The only things I replace are the power supply and video card. That actually saves money because boxes with good video cards and power supplies also tend to have lots of other fancy stuff that I don't need.

Gimp art by the GGD.

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Agree that many folks will not be prepared for the vaping apocalypse.

Even as popular as they were at the time (and still are to some folks), the going price for Provari 2.5's in classifieds has only been a pittance for quite some time. Less than $100 years back down to way less than $100. It's been a quite a while since I visited a classifieds, but IIRC I saw some standard models in the $20-$40 range that probably sold for $165-$185 new. One valid reason for the low prices is that there are no spare parts for them anywhere, so buyers are taking a big chance buying them used.
Given they included the prototypes, but the first 5 Provari's that I bought in 2013 cost me just under $1200. Why would I go to the trouble of dealing with classified people, reselling, packaging and shipping them for a pittance? It's an easy answer for me... I had stopped doing classifieds, PIF's, selling, packaging or shipping anything years before I took up vaping for several valid personal reasons.
Jeepers, where are you seeing 2.5s for $20-$40??
 

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