Shinyitis Support Group

[OnTheFidele]

Evening Shiny Folk

kayfun X Journey Continues

Re-wicked the Kayfun X. Split the wick in half and did a 50% vertical cut this time. Then I did part of a Kayfun Prime move and made two diagonal cuts halfway from the center of each wick toward the end that doesn't face the juice flow ports. I would say that this ended up at about a total 60-65% cut of rayon total.

Great news: Filling the tank, I'm getting similar levels of post-fill gurgling (minimal but it exists) as the mere 30-35% cut I made last time, but with very little Cellucotton taste and better flavor. Despite the pull-up juice flow stop, looks like the juice wells are just as forgiving as the Prime. At this point, I feel as though I have the wicking 80% figured out.

Now I'm paying very close attention to how it vapes at lower wattage. This will be the next step to dialing in wicking the Kayfun X. With my current 0.8ohm preference, my hope is for minimum gurgling down to 11 watts after initial fill. Ideally it wouldn't gurgle down to 9 watts to make it an ideal mech vape. So far so good at 11 watts

I still dream of a 24-25mm Prime-style "Kayfun Ultimate" (lol) with Aerokon and proper JFC, but I'm resigned after realizing that my stealth restricted-MTL rayon ways are very, very niche now. If I ever win the lottery, I'll just commission my own custom design

 

[OnTheFidele]

Also, CDV is having a 10% flash sale until May 26, in case anyone's looking. In case someone doesn't know, make an account with them to see the "real" pricing. The 10% discount will be on top of that price. I won't stop fighting back against you enablers

 

[Tor R]

Also, CDV is having a 10% flash sale until May 26, in case anyone's looking. In case someone doesn't know, make an account with them to see the "real" pricing. The 10% discount will be on top of that price. I won't stop fighting back against you enablers

I saw, but we have a miserable currency, around 20% weaker.
Will not change until Norwegian banks stop selling NOK.

That said, I will have the sbs 18350 when it arrives, as well as the 18500 and 18650 cap.
But they don't come while Keith holds the Flash10 offer.

CdV has offers every now and then, can you remember approximately when?
Anniversary offers are available in the autumn.

 

[Tor R]

The 3.1 has adjustable airflow via a screw on the side of the build deck. The juice fill port is also on the side of the deck. I don't recall if the 3.1 and 3.1 ES used a standard 510 drip tip. I seem to recall a screw-in drip tip, pretty sure there was an adapter for using a standard 510 DT.

The KFL deck is shorter in height versus the 3.1 making the RTA shorter in height versus the 3.1. No adjustable airflow. The juice fill port was moved to the bottom of the deck. Uses a standard 510 connection for the drip tip.

The KFL+ an adjustable airflow screw was added to the bottom of the deck. Standard 510 connection for the drip tip. Juice fill port still on the bottom of the deck.

KFL+V2 has the same fill port and adjustable airflow as the KFL+. The changes are as follows: An o-ring was added to the fill port screw to prevent juice leaks. The inside of the top cap is recessed allowing for about 1/2 ml more juice capacity. The clear tank section is taller height-wise without making the RTA taller. The drip tip has a slightly larger bore. The juice channels on the deck are slightly deeper versus the KFL+.

The one I have looks similar to the v3.1 in AF, but the v3.1 has a two-piece bottom, so it's not that one.
Lite does not have adjustable AF, other than that it is exactly the same.
lite [plus] has adjustable AF, but the AF screw is on the bottom, which it does not on mine.
I believe in clones, but the person who had it and gave it to me had paid a lot for it.

I need to get hold of the center tank part, thought the SS should fit well now that it is polished.

Nice job Tor!!!

Thanks a lot mate, I think it's fun dabbling with this kind of work.

Considering putting out a wanted ad to see if anyone would be willing to part with their Super-T ELA. I have tons of spare parts for mine, so I won't post it until I'm sure I'll pull the trigger at a fair price.

Also looking to test Tripod 2 and Cabeo clones, perhaps throw a Kayfun X clone to compare to the real thing. Why do I hang out with you guys...?

I don't think the Cabeo clones have the same mtl system as the original. The original has adjustable jets against the coil.
I think you will like Tripod 2 so much that a clone who tries it is throwing away the money, buys basic kit + mtl pin kit.

I don't remember seeing an adapter like that before - wonder if one came in an eleaf product? I can see how screwing in the 510 of the atty and gripping the large knurling with the drill chuck would make the job easier. If I can't find something like that I'll go ahead with your suggestion of rubber and tape to protect the 510 thread.

Eleaf 20, 30, 40w had it, the adapter has 510 threads on both sides.
The 510 threads are M7 x 0.5 pitch.
A raiser block that many have bought is very similar, 510 threads on both sides
I'm looking forward to when you start the Kumo, it's going to be a classy RDTA.

 

[Tor R]

Good morning ladies & gentlemen,

not much to do today, fill the tractor with diesel, maybe get some spruce in the ground.
Keep an eye on whether the fools at the customs office can release the German package.
Think carefully about whether I should buy from CdV on offer or not... One Dicodes FL 80 Chipset could be fine, but since the customs authorities are ready it could be good to bake a mod in as well.
It's mainly mods I'll buy again, or mod gear.
With attys I've ordered it's getting full, the lists are starting to look slim.

 

[Tor R]

Finally:

All Shipment Updates​

• FridayMay, 19 2023 08:55 Local time
  
  The customs clearance process for import into the destination country/region has been completed. Please find more information here.
  Norway

• TuesdayMay, 16 2023 16:03 Local time
  
  The shipment is in the process of customs clearance for import into the destination country/region. Please find more information here.
  Norway
• 10:23 Local time
  
  The shipment is in the process of customs clearance for import into the destination country/region. Please find more information here.
  Norway
• 07:34 Local time
  
  The customs clearance process for import into the destination country/region has started. Please find more information here.
  Norway
• 
  
  The shipment has arrived in the destination country/destination area. (Homepage / online shipment tracking: Posten.no/en)
  Norway

• WednesdayMay, 10 2023 23:57 Local time
  
  The shipment will be transported to the destination country/destination area and, from there, handed over to the delivery organization.
  Germany
• 23:55 Local time
  
  The international shipment has been processed in the export parcel center
  Germany

• TuesdayMay, 09 2023 19:07 Local time
  
  The international shipment has been processed in the parcel center of origin
  Germany

• MondayMay, 08 2023 17:49 Local time
  
  The shipment has been posted by the sender at the retail outlet
  Germany
• 11:11 Local time
  
  The instruction data for this shipment have been provided by the sender to DHL electronically

 

[Javichu]

Hi there folks.

Was wondering something,is there a thread only about coils?
Thing is my friend the owner of the vape shop let me in his little VIP circle and now i have access to this Spanish dude who makes coils,normally he just sells them in Stores under the name ''Tobal Coils'' but he also takes private orders.

Friend from the vape shop told me that him and his other friend order the coils from him according to their specs,these 2 guys exclusively use RDAs with these cute little mech bf mods:

I think these are made in Spain,not sure thou since i don't do mech mods i never really took an interest in getting more info.

Anyway about the coils,i want to get some done so that is why i was wondering if there was a ''coil'' specific thread where i could post a couple of questions,tried looking for it but nada.

Apart from that not much new going on,got 2 more review company/suppliers that i will be reviewing for: Healthcabin and Innokin which is a good thing,means more content for my youtube channel.
For now i have a little pod thingy to review,the Kumiho model V (from Healthcabin),the diet i am on for the colonoscopy and the anemia i got is really taking a toll on me,i am soooo tired but i will try to do the video review today.

Well anyway talk to you later folks,got some dishes to clean and to prep what my pop is having for lunch,a nice Gilt-head bream (had to look up the name with google,had no idea what it was called in English) with my special lemon,garlic and cracked chilli pepper marinade on top

Talk to you later

 

[Daniel Forsyth]

Hi there folks.

Was wondering something,is there a thread only about coils?
Thing is my friend the owner of the vape shop let me in his little VIP circle and now i have access to this Spanish dude who makes coils,normally he just sells them in Stores under the name ''Tobal Coils'' but he also takes private orders.

Friend from the vape shop told me that him and his other friend order the coils from him according to their specs,these 2 guys exclusively use RDAs with these cute little mech bf mods:

View attachment 995676

I think these are made in Spain,not sure thou since i don't do mech mods i never really took an interest in getting more info.

Anyway about the coils,i want to get some done so that is why i was wondering if there was a ''coil'' specific thread where i could post a couple of questions,tried looking for it but nada.

Apart from that not much new going on,got 2 more review company/suppliers that i will be reviewing for: Healthcabin and Innokin which is a good thing,means more content for my youtube channel.
For now i have a little pod thingy to review,the Kumiho model V (from Healthcabin),the diet i am on for the colonoscopy and the anemia i got is really taking a toll on me,i am soooo tired but i will try to do the video review today.

Well anyway talk to you later folks,got some dishes to clean and to prep what my pop is having for lunch,a nice Gilt-head bream (had to look up the name with google,had no idea what it was called in English) with my special lemon,garlic and cracked chilli pepper marinade on top

Talk to you later

G'day Buddy
There's a whole section dedicated to coil building with a heap of different threads in there, you could either post up your own thread or find an appropriate one to post in. Coil Builds

 

[Javichu]

G'day Buddy
There's a whole section dedicated to coil building with a heap of different threads in there, you could either post up your own thread or find an appropriate one to post in. Coil Builds

Thanks bud,much appreciated

 

[chanelvaps]

Yep!
My 20 watt iStick came with one.
It looks like the 30 and 40 watt versions did as well. I skipped those - my next step up was the MVP 3.0 Pro.
(which came with one of those adapters too!)

flashbacks to 2012? 2013?

 

[ShowMeTwice]

enjoy . . .

sbsmodlist.com | Side by Side Mod List

www.sbsmodlist.com

 

[ShowMeTwice]

I think you will like Tripod 2 so much that a clone who tries it is throwing away the money, buys basic kit + mtl pin kit.

Totally agree.

We can purchase a single Universal Air Flow Pin for 3.22€. The kit with 5 AF pins is 13.64€.

The Universal Air Flow Pins will work in the Tripod 1, Tripod 2 and Aer RTA's as well as the VapeSnail and SteamShell RBA's.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

I don't remember seeing an adapter like that before - wonder if one came in an eleaf product? I can see how screwing in the 510 of the atty and gripping the large knurling with the drill chuck would make the job easier. If I can't find something like that I'll go ahead with your suggestion of rubber and tape to protect the 510 thread.

If only you lived nearby ( ) . . . I would give you a couple. I have several.

I could always pop one in the mail??? Lemme know.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

Evening Shiny Folk

Kayfun X Journey Continues

Re-wicked the Kayfun X. Split the wick in half and did a 50% vertical cut this time. Then I did part of a Kayfun Prime move and made two diagonal cuts halfway from the center of each wick toward the end that doesn't face the juice flow ports. I would say that this ended up at about a total 60-65% cut of rayon total.

Great news: Filling the tank, I'm getting similar levels of post-fill gurgling (minimal but it exists) as the mere 30-35% cut I made last time, but with very little Cellucotton taste and better flavor. Despite the pull-up juice flow stop, looks like the juice wells are just as forgiving as the Prime. At this point, I feel as though I have the wicking 80% figured out.

Now I'm paying very close attention to how it vapes at lower wattage. This will be the next step to dialing in wicking the Kayfun X. With my current 0.8ohm preference, my hope is for minimum gurgling down to 11 watts after initial fill. Ideally it wouldn't gurgle down to 9 watts to make it an ideal mech vape. So far so good at 11 watts

I still dream of a 24-25mm Prime-style "Kayfun Ultimate" (lol) with Aerokon and proper JFC, but I'm resigned after realizing that my stealth restricted-MTL rayon ways are very, very niche now. If I ever win the lottery, I'll just commission my own custom design

Normally gurgling in an RTA is due to not enough wicking. IMHO cutting anywhere near 60-65% off the tails is too much. With trimming 60-65% off the tails there is probably a good amount of e-liquid in both juice wells and likely the reason for the gurgling. The tails and coil can't keep up with the juice being delivered to the juice wells.

"Gurgling usually arises when the coil is oversaturated with e-liquid, resulting in an excess amount of liquid within the coil. In such a situation, the amount of e-liquid is overwhelming to the coil, and the heat is incapable of vaporising all of the liquid that is present at that time."

I would trim no more than 50%. If the X still gurgles then back off to 40% (or even 30%). If it still gurgles then there isn't enough rayon density in the coil.

With my Kayfun Prime's and KFL19's I can trim as much as 40-50% without any gurgling whatsoever. Trimming 30% still delivers excellent flavor - I do not notice any difference in flavor with trimming 30% (or up to 50%). I've never found a reason to trim more than 50%.

The Kayfun X build deck is the same as the Prime, KFL19 and KFL21.

Kayfun rayon wicking tips:

SvoëMesto Kayfun [lite] 2019 RTA - Rayon Wicking Tutorial

As the title states, this is a Rayon Wicking Tutorial for the SvoëMesto Kayfun [lite] 2019 RTA. Please note: This tutorial is applicable to every RTA I've ever used with rayon. I'm using Tidi Rayon Balls Large (969162). It does not matter what...

www.e-cigarette-forum.com

FWIW, I've never experienced gurgling in my Prime's or KFL19's with cotton or rayon.


On another note, if you are still getting a drop or two of juice appearing where the top cap meets the main body of the tank, it's because you are overfilling the X. Overfilling causes juice to pool where you fill it, when you close the top cap it squeezes juice out.

Found that tidbit here:

Svoemesto Kayfun X RTA Review - Fun For All? - Ecigclick

The Svoemesto Kayfun X RTA is the latest in the range of this popular brand of MTL rebuildables - now with top fill!

www.ecigclick.co.uk

 

[Javichu]

If only you lived nearby ( ) . . . I would give you a couple.

No need you will be able to give it to him in person.
I feel good karma coming my way and you folks remember my promise right?
I win the lotto and i will rent us one of these for a whole week:

All included,plane tickets,transportation to the island in a luxurious Yacht,food,drinks etc etc.
And the pièce de résistance will be that we all get our private vaping butler,no no i do not mean a butler who vapes,nah.
I mean a butler who will do DIY,place coils,wick,clean tanks,charge batteries etc etc,all our vaping needs will be met with just a snap of our fingers.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

I feel good karma coming my way and you folks remember my promise right?

I do remember.

Spoiler: I also remember . . .

The trip you and I are going on in one of these.

https://www.tommycampervans.com/mercedes-sprinter-camper-van-custom-layout-75/

One of Sportsmobile's Most Popular Product Lines - Mercedes Sprinter 4x4

One of Sportsmobile’s most popular product lines is the Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 4x4. The 4x4 option offers the expedition and adventure traveler a great platform. The Sprinter 4x4 opens up a new realm of possibilities for the weekend warrior looking to get a little further off the beaten path.

sportsmobile.com

Did you forget?

If I win the big lotto, both trips are on me.

 

[Fidola13]

Hi everyone! I wanted to pop in to say hi! And to anyone who’s DMed me will hear from me this week. I just haven’t felt that great with all these meds I’m on. So you’ll be hearing from me soon! Hope everyone is well!

 

[Pigs]

If only you lived nearby ( ) . . . I would give you a couple. I have several.

I could always pop one in the mail??? Lemme know.

Thanks mate. And thanks to all you others who pointed out the istick series came with that adapter. My only eleaf products have been various picos which didn't include it.

I did find one similar in a bunch of boro atty/510 converters that'll do the job with some tweaking.
So I should be good to go.

eidt: and a special thanks to @Tor R for his expert guidance!

 

[OnTheFidele]

Normally gurgling in an RTA is due to not enough wicking. IMHO cutting anywhere near 60-65% off the tails is too much. With trimming 60-65% off the tails there is probably a good amount of e-liquid in both juice wells and likely the reason for the gurgling. The tails and coil can't keep up with the juice being delivered to the juice wells.

"Gurgling usually arises when the coil is oversaturated with e-liquid, resulting in an excess amount of liquid within the coil. In such a situation, the amount of e-liquid is overwhelming to the coil, and the heat is incapable of vaporising all of the liquid that is present at that time."

I would trim no more than 50%. If the X still gurgles then back off to 40% (or even 30%). If it still gurgles then there isn't enough rayon density in the coil.

With my Kayfun Prime's and KFL19's I can trim as much as 40-50% without any gurgling whatsoever. Trimming 30% still delivers excellent flavor - I do not notice any difference in flavor with trimming 30% (or up to 50%). I've never found a reason to trim more than 50%.

The Kayfun X build deck is the same as the Prime, KFL19 and KFL21.

Kayfun rayon wicking tips:

SvoëMesto Kayfun [lite] 2019 RTA - Rayon Wicking Tutorial

As the title states, this is a Rayon Wicking Tutorial for the SvoëMesto Kayfun [lite] 2019 RTA. Please note: This tutorial is applicable to every RTA I've ever used with rayon. I'm using Tidi Rayon Balls Large (969162). It does not matter what...

www.e-cigarette-forum.com

FWIW, I've never experienced gurgling in my Prime's or KFL19's with cotton or rayon.


On another note, if you are still getting a drop or two of juice appearing where the top cap meets the main body of the tank, it's because you are overfilling the X. Overfilling causes juice to pool where you fill it, when you close the top cap it squeezes juice out.

Found that tidbit here:

Svoemesto Kayfun X RTA Review - Fun For All? - Ecigclick

The Svoemesto Kayfun X RTA is the latest in the range of this popular brand of MTL rebuildables - now with top fill!

www.ecigclick.co.uk

Thanks for the info I'll share my experiences in further detail:


I don't think it's underwicking in the juice wells causing the gurgling. I'll note 4 reasons for this.

First Reason: I'm very well acquainted with the Prime and have done quite a bit of wick testing on it, though I failed to document my journey. I'm able to do upwards of a 80%-90% trim with zero gurgling whatsoever on my Prime. With the Prime, the screwing down of the JCF upside down makes it such that no juice whatsoever is pushed into the juice wells. So I suspect that the gurgling is coming from differences between the Prime and the X.

Second Reason: In contrast, unless you turn it upside down or considerably underfill the tank, the X's JFS ("juice flow stopper") will push juice into the wells when activated (pulled out) or pull juice into the wells when deactivated (pushed back in). I've experimented with various juice flow levels and found that it is indeed the JFS pushing and pulling the juice into the wells, even with a mere 30% cut, which I think would yield similar tails as a cotton wick because you need to fit so much more rayon into the coil (I could be wrong). This is kind of frustrating because the optimal way of filling the X becomes having to make sure the entire tank is finished, then considerably underfilling the tank.

Third Reason: Another factor to the gurgling is that the JFS doesn't stop the flow of juice as completely as the Prime's JFC. Closed, the Prime's JFC stops the juice cold. This is great for flights and driving up mountains and such. But with the X, I've seen multiple times that even with the JFS closed, juice continues to be fed into the wells. This is very evident as I can see bubbles indicating that juice is entering. I've confirmed this many times so there can even be a gurgling if I underfill the X, turn it back upside down, and disengage the JFS.

Fourth Reason: I did a 30% trim to try and to see if that was the issue and still got gurgling unless I underfill the tank and leave it upside down for 30 seconds. I tell no difference in gurgling between a 30% trim and my current ~60%-65% trim. I suspect this is because ends of the wicks are pressed against the juice flow openings, which is what I've found to be true in the Prime.

Regarding the flavor, I do notice a considerable difference between a 30% and a 50% cut on my Cellucotton, and diminishing returns from 70% onward. I push the Prime to 90% because I can, and it runs really well on a half turn opening of its JFC. I like 90% on the theory that it will maximally saturate the coil, though my human senses detect no change beyond 70%.

Regarding the top cap, the leaking still happens with considerable underfilling. I think the leaking isn't from overfilling exactly, but a product of the tolerances pushing out juice that gets on the top cap during filling. I don't have a needle point juice bottle to test this, however.

I don't think the Cabeo clones have the same mtl system as the original. The original has adjustable jets against the coil.
I think you will like Tripod 2 so much that a clone who tries it is throwing away the money, buys basic kit + mtl pin kit.

Thanks, I'm going to empty my carts and wait until the time is right to get an Aer, then. I'm also going to hold off on the Cabeo and study some reviews

CdV has offers every now and then, can you remember approximately when?
Anniversary offers are available in the autumn.

I wish I knew. To add to your observation, I made my last purchase during an Easter sale

 

[Tor R]

Most have a juice control that is roughly on/off.
Doubtful if any of them are 100% tight.
The ultimate rta does not exist, but some have a very good balance between juice channels, their design, and the vacuum we create when we give them a vape which is again a factor in soaking the wick.

If you have problems with flooding the deck, or a lot of gurgling, it is almost always the coil height, and the amount of wick, or how you choose to shape the transition from the juice channel to the coil.

To take one example, I was not at all impressed with the AER, I could have taken the 10 rta asap which I would argue was much better, on everything.
But I set the coil far too low in the desire for the best possible mtl vape. When I put the coil where the guide is, voila, now it's on my top three list. Alot more smooth vape, no gurgling, wick like a champ.