Sneak Peak: The Hybrid 306/510 Atomizer

[MagnusEunson]

OK, I've got about four hours with a fresh 2.8ohm bottom-feeder Hybrid w/ o-ring installed... 4.4v. Vermillion's beta/unreleased Buttered Rum vape. I chose the one with the worst looking coils just in case it died I wouldn't lose it. ;-) Again though, all these coils looked better than the first four hybrids I got. This is still first run so none of those above noted improvements have hit yet.

Quite good, almost excellent vape... it's still not quite the production monster the standard is but it's really good. I'm really happy with this. Now it'll take a few days to see if this out-lives the others but I've got to remain hopeful. The performance right now is exactly where I had the impression it would be from AG's advocacy.

Haven't tried it w/ a tobacco compared the the HH yet (which just is awesome w/ tobacco bases IMO). So I'll give that a spin in the next few days.

Thanks Vapage for sorting this out and checking them before sending them. Cheers, -Magnus

 

[chet]

I too just received the replacements from Vapage today. There were TWO atties(one DOA & one short lived) that I originally reported to Brian, and he sent me FOUR. So I'd like to publicly thank him for the generousity and superb customer service.

At first I thought these were new version because they all had that extra rubber ring, but looking inside the atties I see some inconsistent coil wrappings so these are definately their first version. They all seem fine on ohm test though. But anyways, unless three of these four go short lived, which is quite unlikely despite the fact that these are still their first version, I'm not going to even bother writing about it here. Simply because I got two for basically free, and it's also pointless at this point as their improved new version will be out anytime this week.

Thank you again Brian. Definately earns my trust.

 

[misterD]

I also got 2 atties a few days ago after writing him about my first one dying after a few hours of use.
so THANK YOU, BRIAN!! (and AG)

 

[MiMoSeTH]

I hope i can say the same, because i got 4 duds and only 1 working that died in little more than 1 week. An awesome week though...

 

[Angler]

I'm still using my "original" that I ordered when COV first offered them. I really don't know what to expect from the new version when they finally hits the market. My "original" has not missed a beat. I think it was July 18th when I got my first order. I have been using the same Hybrid for the entire time, minus three or four days, and I've never even cleaned it. Maybe the new version will vape a little better but as far as longevity goes I am very pleased with the "original".
Al

 

[Katdarling]

Just curious, Angler, but are you against cleaning them thinking that they will live longer if they are not cleaned?

 

[AlmightyGod]

I don't clean attys either, for the most part. I use them the 3-4 weeks they were designed to last & pitch them when they go out. The one caveat is when I try a juice I don't like...then they go for a PGA soak.

 

[chet]

Speaking of cleaning I bought this this called 'Isopropyl Alcohol 99% USP (topical antiseptic).'

Would this work fine? Just soak it for an hour or so and rinse with water and dry?
I've never cleaned atty before.

 

[Angler]

Just curious, Angler, but are you against cleaning them thinking that they will live longer if they are not cleaned?

I use to clean attys. I have been vaping since March 5, 2011 when I recieved my first e-cig which was a Janty JETS and threw away the analogs. BTW, I smoked 2 to 3 packs of Marlboro Reds a day for about 40 years. Anyway, I used the Janty tank system for a couple weeks or until I got my REO Woodvil on March 24, 2011. With the tank attys I notice a much better draw after I cleaned them but that lasted for a few minutes and it was back to a stiffer draw again. When I got my Woodvil I started using Cisco LR 510 and 306 attys. I cleaned them regularly with Isoprophyl Alcohol and it did help with the draw on the 306 but again it didn't last very long. The Cisco 510 LR 1.5 attys never really give me problems and I still have some from my first couple of orders, some of which I have never cleaned. I have found that after cleaning an atty I never get back to the good flavor production that I had before the cleaning and the atty always retains a metalic taste after cleaning. I have always liked both, the 510 and 306, but I could never find a 306 that would last very long. I don't mean they burnt up I just mean that the draw would get so stiff that I didn't enjoy using them. I'm not going to get into the drilling and all of that crap because I've tried it all and, for me, nothing has brought a 306 back to the shape it was in when new and even if it did I don't like the idea of having to do all of that stuff to try and reguvinate an atty. It's just too much hassle.
Now, hear comes the Hybrid! Exactly what I was looking for! I now have my trusted Cisco 510 LR 1.5 and the Hybrid, my trusted 306 LR 1.5. With the Hybrid I haven't even had to consider cleaning it. I haven't seen any change in the way the atty has been performing ever since the time when I considered it broke in. I would say that it takes a good day to break in although I have only broke in two of them. Break in is very important, imho! The second one that I broke in was put in my atty box for later use when the first one goes and where and when that first one goes I don't know yet because, like I said, it's still going strong. I haven't had the missfortune of blowing one of these Hybrids so I have no idea why some people are having problems with them. Maybe I'm just lucky but I doubt that. I haven't had any problems with my Cisco's either other than the first ones that I ordered and that was because I ran them TOO DRY! I have not blown one since or any other atty that I've tried. I run those Hybrids even wetter than I run the 510 Cisco's BECAUSE I CAN! The Cisco can only be run so wet and then it floods to the point where it becomes unvappable but the Hybrid is much harder to flood to that point. I think the Hybrid is a much easier atty to use than the Cisco because it's easier to keep wet. I still like switching to the 510 Cisco but I'm much more careful with it. Don't be fooled though, I have flooded the Hybrid to the point of drinking the juice so they are NOT unfloodable. That's the way I do it though. I keep attys as flooded as possible and still be vappable. When using a 1.5 ohm atty it has to be kept wet. At least that's been my experience. There is no reason for me to clean an atty unless I can't draw on it and the only atty that was giving me that type of problem was the 306. Now that I have the Hybrid I don't have the problem with the draw. If an atty gets that burnt taste I don't even try to get it out anymore and that just means that I burnt it! I have found that once the atty is burned like that I might as well throw it away but I haven't had that problem in quite some time.
When AG said he didn't clean them it had been awhile since I cleaned one and I made up my mind at that point I wasn't going to clean anymore. You know, for nine bucks, I couldn't complain if I went threw an atty a week. I like the fact that I'm getting very good life out of this first Hybrid but I never thought it would still be vaping the way it is. If the new ones are better I can't wait to get one.
There are a million posts on this forum about cleaning attys but for the life of me I can't figure out why.

 

[Angler]

Speaking of cleaning I bought this this called 'Isopropyl Alcohol 99% USP (topical antiseptic).'

Would this work fine? Just soak it for an hour or so and rinse with water and dry?
I've never cleaned atty before.

Yeah, that will clean anything but if you have one of those black attys it will also take the paint off.
Al

 

[Tripster]

I treat attys as disposable, once they don't perform so swell...off to the waste dump they go. I have never cleaned an atty, just blew out the gunk when needed.

 

[Katdarling]

Angler, what a fabulous reply! Thanks so much for taking that kind of time to write (type) that out. I think it's very helpful information.

I DO clean my attys. In fact, I'm cleaning them more often than I did when I initially started vaping (welp, to be fair, I didn't know an atty had to be cleaned in the early stages of my vape life). I have working attys that I've been using for 7 months now. No, not every single atty I bought, LOL, but several. I've tried every form of cleaning from vodka soaks to Polident/water in an ultra sonic cleaner, hot water turkey baster flushes to dry burns. To this day, I have no clue what really works well!

The attys work, or they don't. (The dead ones are in a special casket in the drawer being saved for some yet unknown modder who will need them someday.)

Perhaps with my new order of Hybrid BF attys, I will refrain from the cleaning and see how it goes. It's a good time to experiment with them.

I understand quite well the disposable aspect of the equipment we use, but for me, if it ain't dead, don't toss it.

And Trip, I agree that the little blowing out of old juice is the best method (and maybe the most under-rated) of cleaning. IMO if one does nothing else, that needs to be done on some sort of regular basis. I know atty makers who do that several times a day.

 

[Tripster]

I am just way to impatient for the oh so complicated cleaning methods plus they are just attys in the end and cost roughly the same amount or less than a pack of analogs, its like going ashtray diving and collecting half butts to complete a full analog.

It's just so simple to simply blow the gunk out everyday and maybe a couple times per day if you are a chain vaper and use thicker/darker juice but if you simply use almost clear/thin but not to thin juice...simply blowing the gunk out at the end of the day will work just fine and you don't need to wait x amount of minutes-days just to use the atty.

I have never had one atty that never leaked, they all will leak no matter what unless someone revolutionizes the build of an atty to the point where there is no need for air holes but than they will have to create an atty for bottom-feeders so that's where leakage will happen.

Honestly, a leaky atty is better than a clogged atty.

 

[Angler]

Oh' yeah, I do blow them out but I've found that I don't have to blow out the Hybrids very much. Sometimes I just take it off and blow it out for something to do. The Cisco's usually get blown out everyday but I've left this Hybrid on for three or four days without blowing it out and even then it didn't really need it. I was very surprised at this strange phenomenon.

 

[Tripster]

Oh' yeah, I do blow them out but I've found that I don't have to blow out the Hybrids very much. Sometimes I just take it off and blow it out for something to do. The Cisco's usually get blown out everyday but I've left this Hybrid on for three or four days without blowing it out and even then it didn't really need it. I was very surprised at this strange phenomenon.

I have noticed that the steel mesh in the AMG Universal holds a minimal trap of juice and to simply moisten the atty for overnight, I just simply with the drip tip on...slightly inhale (no power/atty removed from pv), drip 2 drops of ya juice and utilize 2 condoms (one on the threaded end/one on the sleeve)....it simply stays moist.

 

[chet]

I haven't been doing any of blow-outs, overnight condom on's, or any cleaning so far...
maybe because it's only been 1 week on this bf hybrid, or I'm just too newbie yet to tell much difference in performance.

I haven't done anything with the Joye atty I've been using past week and half on my passthrough either, and it was acting weird this morning... I get throat hit but no vapor. I kept vaping it and it came back. Maybe I'll do something if it does that again.

 

[fsroq]

After following this thread from the beginning, I really got interested in this atty, and a bottom feeder. I never had or thought in a bottom feeder, so dont now anything of this kind of mod and have some questions.

Can I use any bottom feeder for this atty, or must it be a specific one?

Then can any attys be used on a bottom feeder, I still have five or six Ego XL attys from my dripping time, I loved dripping for the taste, and I loved the XL, but it was too much fiddling around at the end. Could they be used also with a bottom feeder?

Last and most important question. Does an atty with a bottom feeder give you the same flavor as dripping?

Thxs.

 

[emonty]

Hi fsroq, I use them on different BF's, no problemos. On the ego XL atties: dunno, but if they have an open centerpost I don't see why not.
Concerning flavor: same flavor, just a different method and it all depends how much liquid goes to the attie

After following this thread from the beginning, I really got interested in this atty, and a bottom feeder. I never had or thought in a bottom feeder, so dont now anything of this kind of mod and have some questions.

Can I use any bottom feeder for this atty, or must it be a specific one?

Then can any attys be used on a bottom feeder, I still have five or six Ego XL attys from my dripping time, I loved dripping for the taste, and I loved the XL, but it was too much fiddling around at the end. Could they be used also with a bottom feeder?

Last and most important question. Does an atty with a bottom feeder give you the same flavor as dripping?

Thxs.

 

[AlmightyGod]

The only bottom feeders you wouldn't want to use it on would be feeders without catch cups...could be messy.

 

[emonty]

right AG, forgot about that one