Yeah, but according to Bones, Infernal and now even Pav, I'm the problematic element. Guess that cartel finally broke up.
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Yeah, but according to Bones, Infernal and now even Pav, I'm the problematic element. Guess that cartel finally broke up.
The exception that proves the rule? Societal norms don't always follow the scientific evidence of what the substances do. But more often than not do.
Ok, now I'm done with this.
Am I piling on? Like I said. Chill out man. Go give the X10 a workout or something.
It isn't the exception. It's the glaring contradiction that puts a hole in your comment. Not only is it treated like candy by the majority, it's the most high profile drug out there. If we really categorized these things by physical and psychological impact alcohol wouldn't be the mainstream drug if choice. It would be the most controlled substance of the whole lot.
You kind of are, actually.
Ok all...just a quick blurb...
We do have a dedicated Clean & Sober Vapers group now at ECF as linked by Spence above. I am working with ECF admins so hopefully soon a dedicated sub forum thread will go up in the Social Group -> Health & Wellness forum.
There are some very interesting topics running through this thread and one of the reasons we set the C&S Vapers Group up was to sub forum these topics and invite sober vapers or those seeking sobriety to participate, but in a way where they have some control over the content they get. For instance, part of my standard pitch when speaking is the difference between "clean" and "sober"...another favorite is outlining the difference between "program" (a written outline, i.e. the 12 steps in the Big Book) and "fellowship" (meetings, commitments, etc). However some users may not be interested in that stuff...and for newcomers it is not appropriate or even helpful when they are a heartbeat away from the next drink or drug. Anyways, my point is the Clean & Sober Vapers ideally will subforum out the 72 EXCELLENT topics being discussed here...and do so in the appropriate area here on beloved ECF. Also, while I was brought up by book bangers with roots back to the Oxford Group, while also an active Wharf Rat, I recognize the fact that there are many paths to sobriety (and that many of us are vehement about our own path) but I wanted this to be an all inclusive group as much as possible. That said, I will soon be laying out program specific threads at the group so we can pull no punches on program-specific banter in a dedicated thread, therefore not push others away or start unneeded curfuffle. The goal is to provide a safe haven for sober vapers and those seeking sobriety regardless of the path they take to get there...and yes, certainly to help, but when asked for...for the user to have control over their ECF Sobriety Group experience.
OK...so it wasn't "quick"
Anyways, more to come. I will post updates here as soon as the threads in Social Groups sub forum are up. Hopefully at that time we can move some of this discussion over there and transition to the Group for any of you that are into it. In the meantime please visit and consider joining the CLEAN & SOBER VAPERS.
"Uncle BJ"
8/11/98
We do have a dedicated Clean & Sober Vapers group now at ECF as linked by Spence above. I am working with ECF admins so hopefully soon a dedicated sub forum thread will go up in the Social Group -> Health & Wellness forum.
There are some very interesting topics running through this thread and one of the reasons we set the C&S Vapers Group up was to sub forum these topics and invite sober vapers or those seeking sobriety to participate, but in a way where they have some control over the content they get. For instance, part of my standard pitch when speaking is the difference between "clean" and "sober"...another favorite is outlining the difference between "program" (a written outline, i.e. the 12 steps in the Big Book) and "fellowship" (meetings, commitments, etc). However some users may not be interested in that stuff...and for newcomers it is not appropriate or even helpful when they are a heartbeat away from the next drink or drug. Anyways, my point is the Clean & Sober Vapers ideally will subforum out the 72 EXCELLENT topics being discussed here...and do so in the appropriate area here on beloved ECF. Also, while I was brought up by book bangers with roots back to the Oxford Group, while also an active Wharf Rat, I recognize the fact that there are many paths to sobriety (and that many of us are vehement about our own path) but I wanted this to be an all inclusive group as much as possible. That said, I will soon be laying out program specific threads at the group so we can pull no punches on program-specific banter in a dedicated thread, therefore not push others away or start unneeded curfuffle. The goal is to provide a safe haven for sober vapers and those seeking sobriety regardless of the path they take to get there...and yes, certainly to help, but when asked for...for the user to have control over their ECF Sobriety Group experience.
OK...so it wasn't "quick"
Anyways, more to come. I will post updates here as soon as the threads in Social Groups sub forum are up. Hopefully at that time we can move some of this discussion over there and transition to the Group for any of you that are into it. In the meantime please visit and consider joining the CLEAN & SOBER VAPERS.
"Uncle BJ"
8/11/98
Si, carfuffle. I know how this stuff gets. This thread is already one post away from spinning off into the stratosphere of bizarroness, which is one step away from someone freaking out. At the Clean & Sober Vapers Group we are setting up threads for specific groups and topics to avoid that as much as is possible with a bunch of juicers and addicts.
Please join up y'all!
Please join up y'all!
Sorry you feel that way. Not trying to. Just making an observation.
You seem to think that each new thread is it's own case - And your actions in others should be disregarded - What you are catching flack from some of us on is NOT thread specific - It's a trend you have been on lately - Overtly argumentative on primarily off topic semantics - And - The VICTIM card you keep tossing out - That's just WEAK - and totally beneath you - Acting as though we have all turned against you seems to be your way of dodging the fact that the problem may well lie with YOU - Seriously - What possible reason would we have to suddenly turn against you after 4 years? - There has been a shift lately - And rather than take it seriously as starting with YOU - You prefer to suggest there is some plot against you afoot - Blaming it on everything and everyone BUT YOU - That's absurd - Like Infernal said -
Check yourself - Before you wreck yourself - It's NOT us dude - It's YOU - The fact that these observations are coming from people you have many times claimed to RESPECT should tell you something - Did we all suddenly lose our minds and ability to reason objectively? That seems to be what you suggest - And with me - Have outright stated - I am of the same sound mind I always was -
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Sounds perfect Big Juicy, just post here when its all ready. It'd be great to see a whole subforum dedicated to wharf rats/NA/AA/Recovery. Are you currently attending any meetings? I would like to but getting there will be hard the 1st time without a car. My mother thinks going to an NA meeting will just trigger me and that sounds about right. She doesn't want to drive me and it'll be a while before Ive got my ID. I did just drive a state over today so I'm making progress It was the longest trip I've driven yet. Hey if you'd be down I'd really like to chat for a bit sometime in a PM maybe. Let me know.
And to all the OUTSIDERS, I apologize for waltzing into your territory. I read the forum rules and they stated that this forum is for rants, debate, and anything that would be considered taboo to post to the rest of the forum. So here we are... Addiction is taboo. Our country's entire mental health care system is archaic in nature and design, and people still think of mental illness as... taboo. I think I chose a good spot for this thread. You Outsiders are welcome to continue debating within this thread, but, this thread wasn't created for debate. It was created here because the Outside forum is for taboo subject matter. So you can make toast in my toaster all you'd like but this thread was created for bagels. But thank you to everyone thats made this thread an interesting 1. & if you are in recovery, strugging, addicted, you are welcome here. Please come in and chitchat.
It was the longest trip I've driven yet. Hey if you'd be down I'd really like to chat for a bit sometime in a PM maybe. Let me know. And to all the OUTSIDERS, I apologize for waltzing into your territory. I read the forum rules and they stated that this forum is for rants, debate, and anything that would be considered taboo to post to the rest of the forum. So here we are... Addiction is taboo. Our country's entire mental health care system is archaic in nature and design, and people still think of mental illness as... taboo. I think I chose a good spot for this thread. You Outsiders are welcome to continue debating within this thread, but, this thread wasn't created for debate. It was created here because the Outside forum is for taboo subject matter. So you can make toast in my toaster all you'd like but this thread was created for bagels. But thank you to everyone thats made this thread an interesting 1. & if you are in recovery, strugging, addicted, you are welcome here. Please come in and chitchat.
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If your life involves a car, a drivers license suspension is pretty much terrible, with a side of gloomy.
no I haven't got a suspended license. I've never gotten my license.. My friends and I never cared about getting our licenses. We cared about parties in the woods. I'm just now learning to drive, 6 years past due.
I'm making a pop tart in your toaster.
Has it ever occurred to any of you that SurfMonkey is having like one giant laugh at everybody's expense?
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Still sober.
Has it ever occurred to any of you that SurfMonkey is having like one giant laugh at everybody's expense?
Update:
Still sober.
No. The possibility NEVER crossed my mind.
Considering the possibility, I still say no. Highly unlikely. Surf likes debate
and he has a technical point. Beyond that the only possibility occurring to
me is a struggling nicotine addict deliriously intoxicated from his DOC just
waiting to hit bottom.
(But I ruled that out as well.)
It's a technical point for debate, and I learned from the discussion. FWIW.
I may, in fact, be unnoticeably intoxicated or minutely removed from pure
sobriety with my intake of nicotine and caffeine. However, it's not a problem
functionally, financially or otherwise. I'm less functional without them.
And as costs go... my coffee habit costs more than my nic habit. If I'm going
to cut back on one, it's the coffee.
No such thing as Sober Vaping?
Fine. Call it Sane Vaping... and thanks for the English lesson.
I believe the larger picture that everyone seems blind to is context and intent. It's not productive to spend several pages debating dictionary definitions if it's irrelevant to the context and intent. Surf is smart enough to know what the OP was talking about, and unless he makes an absurd claim of ignorance it's obvious the entire point was to troll and derail. If not, I would love to hear a valid reason for debating that definition.
Even by Surf's obviously inflammatory definition, to assert that there are no vapors at 0% nic is absurd and his assertion that there is no such thing as Sober Vaping is wholly false. Unless of course he wishes to assert that PG and/or VG are intoxicants which at this point would not surprise me in the least.
Even by Surf's obviously inflammatory definition, to assert that there are no vapors at 0% nic is absurd and his assertion that there is no such thing as Sober Vaping is wholly false. Unless of course he wishes to assert that PG and/or VG are intoxicants which at this point would not surprise me in the least.
I bet Surf Monkey is really some famous, rich, republican and is sitting on a diamond encrusted beanbag chair right now yucking it up.
I think this is what I found so Tactless about some of the Posts in this Thread.
If a Person makes a Mistake and Starts a Thread in the OUTSIDE, is it Mandatory that it is Immediately Picked Apart and Semantically Dissected? Is that what the OUTSIDE has become?
If someone wants to start a Thread about the Meaning/Definition of Sobriety, Great. Everyone get out your Dictionaries and Have at it. Let’s all Try to Convince someone else that Our meaning of a Word is Better than Their Meaning of a Word.
But when all a Persons wants is to Meet Other People who share some Commonality with themselves? Can’t a Thread like that be Left Alone Once and Awhile?
This is a tremendous thread. Glad I read it at work.
"Hard drugs" is a difficult expression for me to comprehend. I think most of us could agree on a few which are not "hard", but aside from that, it's a perspective thing.
And the exclusive forums (AA,NA, etc) have their purpose. But they often exclude such an eclectic group as we found here.
"Hard drugs" is a difficult expression for me to comprehend. I think most of us could agree on a few which are not "hard", but aside from that, it's a perspective thing.
And the exclusive forums (AA,NA, etc) have their purpose. But they often exclude such an eclectic group as we found here.
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