Starting a LIST of diacetyl-free ejuice suppliers. Please, keep to JUST listing the supplier names!

[washvap]

That's somewhat vague though since they don't list the specific ingredients in their juices. I mean, you could argue that Bounty Hunter has a hint of custard flavor in there.

It might but there's been so many interpretations of what Bounty Hunter really tastes like. Although, I personally don't taste any custard in it.

 

[sstella100]

I am new to vaping and have only been doing for less than a week.
I am very thankful to all the knowledge within this forum and all the help I have already received.
I have a Kr808D-1 and do not know what E juice to buy to refill the cartomizers with.
I would like something natural and as safe as it can be.
(Premixed as I am jsut starting this journey)
Any suggestions ??

 

[SweetPuff]

Halo liquids (from halocigs.com) are free of diacetyl, 2,3-Pentanedione, and acetoin (as confirmed by supplier). IMHO they are the cleanest, most atty/cartomizer friendly juices I have found and their service is excellent. The owner J. Blazio is very friendly, and happy to answer any questions you may have.

Some of their juices are very unique, and may not suit everyone, but their Tribeca (their version of a slightly sweet RY4) and Malibu (a version of a light pina colada w/ light menthol) seem to appeal to almost everyone...so being a new vaper, you might want to try those out, or better yet, you could order the variety sampler, which includes malibu, tribeca as well as some of their other popular juices http://www.halocigs.com/eliquid-sample-packs.html.

If you order, try code ECFTEN for a 10% discount.

Happy vaping



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I am new to vaping and have only been doing for less than a week.
I am very thankful to all the knowledge within this forum and all the help I have already received.
I have a Kr808D-1 and do not know what E Juice to buy to refill the cartomizers with.
I would like something natural and as safe as it can be.
(Premixed as I am jsut starting this journey)
Any suggestions ??

 

[SweetPuff]

stella, btw, if you are looking for organic liquids, velvet vapors has very good ones, as does vaperite.com both offer good samplers at reasonable prices, however, since they are heavy on the vg (vegetable glycerin), they are thick and don't wick as well as mixed pg/vg juices (pg=propelyne glycol). Velvet vapors does offer higher pg juices though. 80/20 pg/vg wicks well in cartomizers...or you could use a syringe to fill your cartomizers if you use thicker vg liquids.

I am new to vaping and have only been doing for less than a week.
I am very thankful to all the knowledge within this forum and all the help I have already received.
I have a Kr808D-1 and do not know what E Juice to buy to refill the cartomizers with.
I would like something natural and as safe as it can be.
(Premixed as I am jsut starting this journey)
Any suggestions ??

 

[sstella100]

Thank you so much for your help. Seems there is more to learn than I originally thought !

 

[SpecialJ]

So is this it so far? Has anyone checked with Cignot?

i just sent an email to Vicky to see whether or not she can provide any info on this.... i will post her reply when i hear back!

 

[SpecialJ]

cignot.com may be added to the list! (gotta love vicky for her speedy reply btw!)

 

[Thank You]

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[Seabrook]

Updated -- added Cignot:

Alvinecigs
Backwoods Brew
Bluemistvaping
Cignot
Clouds of Vapor
Dekang
DIY
Eastmall
Esmoke
Good Prophets
GourmetVapor
Halocigs
Intellicig Ecopure
Ivape.net
Johnson Creek
Juicy Liquid
Liberty Flights
MadVapes
MisterELiquid
Ms T's Bakery
Nhaler
PrimeVaping
Strictly E-Juice
Tastyvapes
TastyVapor
thesmokelesshop
TotallyWicked
VapeMasters
Vapoligy
VaporRenu
Vaportalk
VelvetVapor
Vermillion River
Viking Vapor
Voidmist
Want2vape
WordupEcig

 

[unmatter]

Just wanted to give a quick update for those who prefer DIY. As I mentioned in a previous post on this thread, there is the potential for some natural flavorings to contain naturally occurring Diacetyl. In fact, I had found a German flavor manufacturer who disclosed that some of their natural flavorings contained it.

I emailed Linda from Flavor Apprentice about my concerns regarding some of her natural flavorings which I suspected could be candidates for containing Diacetyl. I'm pleased to say that she has taken the initiative of getting her own gs/ms equipment to do testing on her flavorings and tested the ones that I had concerns about. Bottom line: No Diacetyl was found in them! She will post the results on her website when she has time.

Here is the list of flavors that I asked her about:

English Toffee, Milk Chocolate, Sweet Cream, Marshmallow, Coconut Extra, and Pina Colada.

Linda was very pleasant to deal with and quick to respond to my emails and concerns. The fact that she bought an expensive gs/ms device for testing shows me that she is very conscientious and takes the vaping community seriously. This in contrast to four flavoring resellers whom I contacted that did not even reply to my emails regarding much simpler questions about the contents of their products. Guess which one I will be doing business with.

 

[washvap]

Thanks for the info. Probably going to be taking up DIY soon.

 

[Seabrook]

Yes, I had heard that too about the natural flavorings - besides the butters and custard notes, also foodstuffs that go through fermenting/aging processes. I forget where I read that, but I believe it may have been on the FlavourArt website.

So with two of the main suppliers, FlavourArt and The Perfumers Apprentice, giving disclosure on their websites, others will have to follow suit now if they want to keep their revenue up.

I'm about to give up on Capella's since I've rarely been able to get a response from Tom or Jennifer. I refuse to get in my car and drive the 8 miles over there to get in his face about it. I figure that if he doesn't want my business, then I'll go elsewhere. No biggie - I just wanted to keep my business local if I could. See, Capella's gets their main revenue from the Optifast Medical Diet Plan community, so maybe he figures he doesn't need to cater to the vapers. That's okay, that's his privilege, and I'll respect that.

I too would be concerned about the first three flavorings you asked about, seems like the last three would be fine. I'll also be looking forward to her posting the results of the juices she's tested.

Thanks for the undate, unmatter.

 

[unmatter]

Hi Seabrook, yeah the first 3 were obvious. The last 2 I asked about because I read somewhere that some coconut flavors contain diacetyl or its' substitutes which have similar health effects. I suppose it's because some flavorists want to give it a creamier taste. That's also why I asked about Marshmallow - it has a bit of a creamy taste.

As far as Capella's goes, even though it says on their site that they don't add diacetyl someone tested a random sample and found small amounts of it in one flavor as well as higher amounts of the flagged substitutes. So they DO add the diacetyl substitutes in at least some of their flavoring. I would not use anything of theirs that sounds remotely like it could be candidate. The fact that they have the "no diacetyl added" (paraphrased) statement on their site is misleading and smacks of being intentionally vague to promote sales without directly making a false statement.

This tells me that profit is more important to them than their customers health. It could also explain why you've had difficulty getting a response from them. This of course, is only my personal opinion and I encourage everyone to do their own research. I would be happy to be proven wrong on this as it is a sad portrayal of human character, or lack thereof.

 

[Seabrook]

Hi unmatter. I hadn't heard about the coconut, please post if you find any credible links that state it is. Meanwhile I will try to find some myself (please and thank you).

I just now found on an OSHA website that say strawberries and other fruits contain diacetyl. I dint know that. I thought we were safe on the fruits. Here's what OSHA says:

Diacetyl is a naturally occurring substance in many foods, such as butter, strawberries, and other dairy products and fruits.

Shows it in paragraph 4A 4.1
Diacetyl and Food Flavorings Containing Diacetyl Stakeholder Meeting Notes

That's upsetting. I knew peanuts were not healthy b/c of the aflatoxins that could lead to liver cancer when eaten, but I still vape Peanut Butter Cup occasionally. Shucks, I hope aflatoxins don't become an issue for vapers. (can find info by googling "dangers of peanuts")

Yes, I saw the recent post you are referring to re the samples of some of the Capella's flavorings tested. And yes on everyone doing their own research. Thanks for your post. [Please update if you find anything on coconut.]

 

[unmatter]

I'm sorry Seabrook, I really don't remember where I read that about coconut. It may have been something someone posted on ECF or elsewhere. It was not an article or study AFAIK - Just one or two sentences giving caution. I'm not even sure how credible it was, but figured I would ask Linda while I was asking about the other more obvious candidates. As I said, I could see some flavorist wanting to give a more creamy taste to it by adding some - so it's possible.

Yes I read about various fruits containing diacetyl. AFAIK, it is in much smaller amounts than in dairy flavorings. The questions are how much, if any, actually makes it through to the flavoring from the extraction or distillation process? What exactly is the threshold concentration which leads to health problems? Is it a necessary ingredient for giving a true taste of the fruit since it is present in very small amounts (compared to dairy flavors)?

I don't know that any of these questions have been definitively answered yet. I ask the last question because I'm pretty sure that when extracting butter flavor they make sure that as much diacetyl as possible is retained to give it the desired flavor. I'm not sure that this is the case for fruit flavors so it's possible that only negligible amounts or even none makes it through to the flavoring depending on the process used.

Thanks for the info on peanuts. I didn't know that. Again, those aflatoxins may or may not make through to the flavoring, and even if present, we don't know if vaping them has the same effect.

I'm not going to worry too much about the unknowns. The worry might be more deleterious than the effect of the unknown. But as I sit here typing this I am vaping unflavored juice with a few drops of Lung Tonic tincture from Herbs ETC mixed in (which I use in all my liquids). I vape unflavored at times as a break in between flavors. I also think it helps make my attys and cartos last longer before needing a cleaning as the flavorings are the primary culprit for gunking the coils.

 

[Koman]

Oh yay! I love free stuff!

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

JUGHEADS.co We've Got the Vapors ! advertises ALL thier juices are diacetyl free. Some great prices and the quality is A1. Check out his clearance Section.

 

[manifestgtr]

luckily I'm not into any flavors that have any sort of buttery taste to them whatsoever

I realize the stuff could theoretically be used in something that you'd never expect but I'm so in the clear on this one

I buy all "tobacco-type" mixes from places on this list that have no buttery/creamy vibe to them

the one waffle flavor I ever tried smelled almost exactly like movie theater popcorn butter (I'll spare the name of the vendor because it isn't fair to disclose and they happen to be a somewhat obscure one that I appreciate) and 2 alarms went off in my head:

1.) fake butter is the most repulsive concept since raw sewage

2.) this might contain that stuff that everyone is bummin out over since it's....you know....filthily KILLED people in the past due to long term inhaled exposure

 

[Str8V8ping]

Hi Seabrook, yeah the first 3 were obvious. The last 2 I asked about because I read somewhere that some coconut flavors contain diacetyl or its' substitutes which have similar health effects. I suppose it's because some flavorists want to give it a creamier taste. That's also why I asked about Marshmallow - it has a bit of a creamy taste.

As far as Capella's goes, even though it says on their site that they don't add diacetyl someone tested a random sample and found small amounts of it in one flavor as well as higher amounts of the flagged substitutes. So they DO add the diacetyl substitutes in at least some of their flavoring. I would not use anything of theirs that sounds remotely like it could be candidate. The fact that they have the "no diacetyl added" (paraphrased) statement on their site is misleading and smacks of being intentionally vague to promote sales without directly making a false statement.

This tells me that profit is more important to them than their customers health. It could also explain why you've had difficulty getting a response from them. This of course, is only my personal opinion and I encourage everyone to do their own research. I would be happy to be proven wrong on this as it is a sad portrayal of human character, or lack thereof.

Capellas was the first to give a ctual lab real lab report saying theres no diacytal . Plus there CS has always been top notch. Iv always got a responce back within hours of emailing them . Tom is also a very friendly got and will go above and beyond with anything you need help with.

The way i see it is there are lots of people that post false information about Capella to make other companies look better. Theres also a lot of vendors out there that dont like Capellas since Capellas dont want to give their flavorings for resale for nothing. Capella is a bigger company and follows strict guidlines and health codes as well as using the best ingridients in the industry.

YOu can actually taste the difference in quality. Almost all the above average vendors use Capella flavorings as well.

There has always been a lot of unwarranted hate towards capellas and they are constantly being critizied over and over by the same few people .It all originated from one place a while back.

 

[Shilo]

It would be nice if all the flavoring companies were more transparent about their products right on their website and by answering customer emails regarding potential harmful ingredients and any and all questions a consumer may have about where there product originates etc etc.

Good thread- we all have a right to question any and all claims by any and all companies even the ones who aren't registered here because no flavoring has been deemed safe for vaping.