Still getting burnt taste with improved cartos

[Newme]

I'm curious....

Have the flavored cartos been revamped like the blanks? I've never had a problem with the older flavored ones at all. As a matter of fact, I still have, and use, all my original flavored ones. I've refilled them, washed them, etc, numerous times. And I would just as soon buy flavored ones for a dollar more, use up that flavor, and then clean and refill.

 

[samsmom]

I did a test with one of the latest blank cartos. I filled one with 30 drops of V4L Virginia Menthol and let it sit for about 15 minutes. Put it on my Bloog and it vaped great with no burnt taste. I put it on my VV at 3.2 volts and it worked great with no burnt taste. I tried the same with another blank carto using 50/50 New/Port from FSUSA. Burnt taste was apparent right away on both the Bloog and the VV. This tells me that is HAS to have something to do with VG and I agree about the resistance also, as I have gotten a burnt taste out of these when trying to use them on my V4L batts. I don't mind that they will only work on my Bloog batts or low VV, I, just like the OP want to be able to use my favorite 50/50 juice!

I know Leaford will get this figured out!

 

[RB37]

Could very well be on to something. The thickest juice I have used is Halo Torque 56 with JL Menthol drops (perfect by the way), and have not had an issue. No clue as to the PG/VG ratio as Halo does not give that information away.

 

[cryx]

What batteries are you using cryx? I am using BMF batteries and have not seen any of these issues. I have around 100 cartomizers here and have cycles through about half them so far.

I'm using V4L batteries. Not the crystal tips, but the normal ones. The wows are 2.6-2.8 vs the 2.5-2.6 of the bloogs so I wouldn't think the battery would be the factor?

Given other comments about juice, I'm not using VG (to my knowledge). My wife and I use V4L 18mg Nuport, Cowboy Menthol, clove, black licorice, and watermelon. The watermelon is good in a wow carto, but I could never use it in the bloog because it tastes and smells like wicked acidic ammonia. The licorice and clove were originally awesome in the bloog, and the menthols were better than the wow carto. Now they are all garbage compared to a wow.

 

[RB37]

I have some V4L batts as well, autos and manuals, and I have no issue with them either, other than the BMF auto switch has me spoiled rotten.

 

[Frick]

Could very well be on to something. The thickest juice I have used is Halo Torque 56 with JL Menthol drops (perfect by the way), and have not had an issue. No clue as to the PG/VG ratio as Halo does not give that information away.

I got my Halo Torque 56 yesterday (thanks for the info that it works well for you in these cartos) and this stuff seriously rocks in BMF cartos, and tastes great as well. I vaped it all night last night, and all day today...and it hasn't even had a chance to steep, which almost everyone says improves it quite a bit.

I know Halo doesn't reveal the ratio, but a bit of digging shows that most consider it to be somewhere between 80/20 and 70/30. All I know is it is very thin and runny, but vapes about like 70/30 in terms of vapor. Truly great stuff.

I continue to enjoy the BWB stuff, too, and although a couple of flavors are a bit 'perfumey', I've been told they need to steep as Don produces them on demand, and they're very fresh. 70/30 vapes very well, and I can live with that.

 

[RB37]

Yeah, Halo is good stuff, keeping me happy until Bloog Juice is out
I have also been vaping on some TV German Chocolate Cake at 30% VG with the BMF cartomizers and have not had an issue either. I love german chocolate cake, and would have never guessed vaping it would be just as tasty. TV did a good job on that one.

I was thinking about something, to those having issues, between vapes are you holding the ecig battery end up? Just thought maybe it was not wicking properly if held upside down or something. I always have mine horizontal or battery end lower.

 

[leaford]

If I may, Leaford, make a suggestion... Have your engineer look at the wick in the cartomizers. I have a feeling that part of the problem is insufficient wicking. Maybe the cartos need a little more wicking material? Or a bit more efficient wick? Or both? In addition to the above mentioned issues, of course. Just my

Good thought, I'll add that to the variables. We don't want to change the material, but maybe wind the fibers a little more loosely or make it a bit longer or something.

 

[leaford]

Leaford, I think I've identified a few more problems with the newer cartos. First off, I absolutely LOVE your cartos, but out of 10 blanks a few were rancid. The flavors for the rest were so rich but a week later they are almost flavorless and taste just a little "funny".

They are all 2.5-2.6 ohms. The rancid blanks tend to have the coil off to one side and compressed over 1/2 the wick. The wick was slightly burnt so I scrapped it off. I centered the coil and expanded it over 2/3 of the wick, which btw, I think the wick is way too short. This made it almost usable, but it still tasted odd.

The white plastic seating ring on the center tube is melting! The silicone insert was stuck to the ring and covered in white when I finally pulled it out. I checked two more and the ring is melting in those too. I think the melting is causing nasty fumes that wreck the flavors. I'm so paranoid of vaping melting plastic that we won't use them.

My wife and I used wow cartos and were blown away by the bloogs. After a week we were starting to develop a aversion to vaping due to chest tightness and sinus issues (like smoking) which we figured was a cold. It wasn't. We dug out the wow cartos, and after a day of vaping, sinuses are clear and chest is airy.

Given your attention to detail, I really hope you can have your supplier fix these problems... We really, and I mean really, miss the massive vapor production of the bloog.

I haven't noticed that in any of the cartos I've either duplicated the burnt taste on, or any of the ones I've deliberatly dry burned and dissected. But I'll mention it to my engineers and try to replicate it myself.

 

[leaford]

I'm curious....

Have the flavored cartos been revamped like the blanks? I've never had a problem with the older flavored ones at all. As a matter of fact, I still have, and use, all my original flavored ones. I've refilled them, washed them, etc, numerous times. And I would just as soon buy flavored ones for a dollar more, use up that flavor, and then clean and refill.

Some of our last batch were, but most of that batch had already been filled while I was in the US renewing my visa. Since the liquid affects the resistance they couldn't test the filled ones. All the new ones being made now are being tested and culled.

 

[leaford]

I did a test with one of the latest blank cartos. I filled one with 30 drops of V4L Virginia Menthol and let it sit for about 15 minutes. Put it on my Bloog and it vaped great with no burnt taste. I put it on my VV at 3.2 volts and it worked great with no burnt taste. I tried the same with another blank carto using 50/50 New/Port from FSUSA. Burnt taste was apparent right away on both the Bloog and the VV. This tells me that is HAS to have something to do with VG and I agree about the resistance also, as I have gotten a burnt taste out of these when trying to use them on my V4L batts. I don't mind that they will only work on my Bloog batts or low VV, I, just like the OP want to be able to use my favorite 50/50 juice!

I know Leaford will get this figured out!

Thanks, Samsmom.

 

[Technonut]

I believe your points are understood. It just seems your experience is not universal. From your web site it seems you are an affiliate for several e-cig companies, so hopefully this won’t affect your income too much. Wishing you the best.

Touche'.....

 

[MsOceanCity]

I am sad to report that I am still getting a burnt taste from the blank cartos that are labeled with the higher resistance. I received my order yesterday and was anxious to try a juice I had been using with Wow cartos that I really liked. The first one tasted burnt and quit working after the 1st draw. The second one tasted burnt too.
This is my second round with these blanks without a good result. I am happy that everyone is not having this experience. I have spent a lot of time and money finding juices that I really like and I would rather use a flavor I like than buy prefilleds from a limited selection of ok flavors.

It's back to V4L for me.

My experience has been similar to yours, Trichman NONE of my beloved TV juices work with the MS blanks(old or new versions) and I have 80/20, 90/10 PG/VG and 100%PG. I know not to try on freshly charged batts(I'm using V4L), so I put the MS cartos on batts that are almost fully discharged. No dice. What's worse is that I feel an irritant of some kind entering my lungs with these cartos that I've never experienced before(and I've tried many kinds) and it scares me! I did, however, have good luck with one BWB juice. It was the clearest in color, by far, so I guess we're back to the "dark juices instantly carmelize on the atty wire" conclusion? I think what I'll do with the 3 remaining new cartos I have is fill them with the clearest juices I have from 3 different suppliers and see how that goes but I will not be ordering these again.

 

[Frick]

It was the clearest in color, by far, so I guess we're back to the "dark juices instantly carmelize on the atty wire" conclusion?

I have Maple Tobacco from BWB in 70/30 (18mg) and it is the darkest juice I've ever seen. It's the color of very dark maple syrup, almost as dark as Pepsi or Coke (the beverages, not juice). It vapes just fine in BMF cartos.

 

[RB37]

The TV German Chocolate Cake is pretty dark too, and not one issue with BMF Cartomizers.

 

[DeeLeeKay]

My 2 cents worth here. It would seem to me that if the problem is certain types of juice. Then it is an issue with either wicking or temperature.

My experience is that after a couple of days of constant use I get a nasty burnt taste. When I pull out the batting and the plastic they both have burn marks on them. I also notice the cartos start getting hotter.

Could the atty be going bad in that they are super heating and thus burning the wicking,batting and plastic tube?

 

[Goldenkobold]

My 2 cents worth here. It would seem to me that if the problem is certain types of juice. Then it is an issue with either wicking or temperature.

My experience is that after a couple of days of constant use I get a nasty burnt taste. When I pull out the batting and the plastic they both have burn marks on them. I also notice the cartos start getting hotter.

Could the atty be going bad in that they are super heating and thus burning the wicking,batting and plastic tube?

burn marks or carmalized juice marks? Some juices leave a nasty looking caramelized spot on filler material, some juices especially darker ones leave something behind as you vape on them as well...this is true on attys or cartomizers.

 

[DeeLeeKay]

burn marks or carmalized juice marks? Some juices leave a nasty looking caramelized spot on filler material, some juices especially darker ones leave something behind as you vape on them as well...this is true on attys or cartomizers.

They are black and looked burnt. I guess they could be caramelized, but in some sense it is the same thing.

 

[cryx]

Of the two super-nasty cartos I dissected, I think it's manufacturing issues. Namely the coil and wick. The coil is very compressed, and the wick just barely spans the tube and is very easily dislodged. I think the compressed coil is superheating a very short segment of the wick and frying the liquid. If the super-short wick dislodges, it really overheats and starts melting the plastic seating ring on the tube.

Perhaps extend the wick at least a 1/4" from both ends of the tube. Fold it down between the two wrapping materials. It won't dislodge and improves capillary action. Stretch the coils over a little more of the wick for more uniform heating, but be careful the coil center isn't heating dry wick.

 

[cryx]

Oh, and I'd definitely get rid of the plastic ring! If it's pvc, then it's outgassing toxic chemicals. High heat releases chlorine which is a damaging respiratory irritant. Melting can release the carcinogen dioxin. I'm not a materials expert, but maybe something inert like ceramic??