Menthol is on it's way out for cigarettes as well, they actually enacted the ban almost 2 years ago, but it is taking that long to get through all of the red tape. The e-cig brohaahaa is actually fueling the menthol ban or maybe hiding it.
I hope the people are able to fight all of this but it is going to take someone with enough money to fight BT successfully, I don't think it will ever be possible to fight BP, they are just too huge and have the trust of the medical profession and majority of the people. They are seen as saving lives when in effect they are doing whatever they can to create customers for life.
I mentioned the cigs cause I thought it sounded like you were thinking of giving up. Whew. IMO it's just not possible to go back now that I know. Not an option. I'm pretty sure the FDA hasn't considered that fully. I know BT has and they think they can get around it with additives. Nope. Also not an option and I don't trust the FDA to keep BT in line. I have a quote from the Surgeon General's Report on smoking saying cigs have gotten worse, including during the time the FDA was supposed to have oversight.
I'm collecting quotes for my letter to the FDA. I need to look for that WSJ article where Herzog recognizes the vaping industry (finally) and points out that people with more powerful devices and tanks result in quitting (pointed out as a negative in valuation of market growth). It's crazy how some things disappear/get buried on the net.
Calif had this broad online sales ban come to the floor on the 30th. A lot of my vendors are in Calif. (faster shipping) and I got these emergency all caps emails from them about it. I've been following the thread in legislation news on ECF. The 30th came and a grand total of 6 people showed up, with 1 vendor - NJoy who feels quite comfortable speaking for the entire business side of vaping. Needless to say, I was not in a good mood about the survival of vaping. Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to disparage Njoy and it was a huge bonus they showed up. Njoy got immediate back room access and may be the final hope the bill doesn't succeed (vote was unaminous for online ban). Surprise - UPS and FedEX also have skin in the game and showed up to SUPPORT the bill to require signature on delivery.
But vendors ..... Velvet Cloud is less than 2 hours away. NN? Sun-Vapers? Vaper Rev? B&M's - even across the street? Notta. I'm so hopping mad. I think those panicked emails amounted to little more than marketing right now. I know they gained extra sales 'in support'. I also know that I won't ever react the same way to a vendor crying "wolf" again and that's bad. I'm not sure what my response will be, but I can guess that there will need to be one. One thought was to start a thread where people could mention vendors who support vaping. A little free advertising. It just sux that is what it takes.
The thing is that this is a repeated experience in a number of states. Wa? There's big vendors there. 24-48 hours before the tax bill comes to a vote, they FINALLY send out all cap emails. Like what did they expect anyone to do at that hour - where were they for rallies, to knock on doors, phone calls, funding? It was a slap in the face to customers who (IMO) valued their business more than they do. And I know they both had a rush of orders the last minute from customers who were afraid that their favorite products might be in jeopordy.
Njoy's first statement included "let's make a deal" and Calif. state agreed. That may save the bill. But that is the difference between a business vs a consumer trying to get access to local lawmakers. It's no contest.
This was not what I was expecting to write about.
Estimates are that 2/3rd's of ecig users are dual users and comments about dual useage is one of the things the FDA is specifically asking for information on. I know of very few studies that are quotable of dual use - EXCEPT what Herzog mentioned about better (IMO) devices. Dual use is one of the reasons cited for regulating ecigs (double the 'evil' nicotine). It's also reported that 2/3rd of ecig sales are cigalikes. Hmmmmm.... whaddya think is happening there? Anyway no one seems to see those figures might be connected. I guess it's sorta like the decline in cig sales = the rise in vaping never seems to be connected either.
Anyway, I just thought I'd mention that collecting quotes and studies and reports in order to comment about dual useage might be of interest to this thread.
Anyone have any ideas on how to kick vendors in the ....?
Oh yea, there's a coop for the Mega tank and it really does look good; a marrage with a glassomizer + Kayfun = more convienent + without sacrifice. Much closer to the missing piece as far as juice delivery goes. (psst...the same coop has a china30 mod in it = hoping for dna30). What the heck does 20 watts provide to vaping??? IDK but the power seems consistant like provari's.
I can't remember what else I had to say and there was stuff. This kinda went sideways on me. So maybe I said enough.
Happy TGIF!
PS. Remembered one more thing - There is up to 5 million estimated vapers in the US (although many poor souls are stuck on cigalikes) and the membership in CASAA is apx 13,000. Do they represent the interests of vapers? Seriously, numbers do count. They need many more, apx 100,000 more. It's free. Sign up and make sure everyone else who wants to continue vaping does too.
