Still smoking support and chat thread

[Claudia P]

Honestly I have given up, not on vaping and for now I'm not even considering smoking, but I have given up all hope of this country every really being a democracy again, if it in fact ever really was.

I'm pretty sure njoy is one of the companies bought out by one of the big three tobacco companies so of course they will be listened to.

IMHO writing anything to the FDA is an effort in futility, they are owned lock stock and barrel by big Pharma and big tobacco.

We the people have no say in Federal Government at all and only a small say at a local level, we are only given the illusion of power. The only way that will change is if there is another revolution and since the dumbing down of the entire human race has been so successful, that is very unlikely. I can't really speak for the people of other countries but I know that the "follow blindly, don't ask questions, we know what is best for you, take this pill it will make you feel better and if there are side effects we can give you more pills with more side effects that we will give you even more pills for until we control your every thought" has been a complete success. Parents don't even have much if any control over raising their children anymore and the brainwashing and pill popping control starts at a very early age, required by the schools if any child should have the audacity to use their own minds.

The stuff of science fiction movies is here have no doubt and there is nothing we can do about it. I am only hoping that I don't live much longer because I don't like where the world is going.

I know most of you will simply think I am a rambling insane old woman, but I'm not, I am observant and I am tired of fighting the inevitable.

No I am not the least bit suicidal and I do not want to die, but I do not want to live the life that is coming all too soon.

The vendors you talk about deserve what is coming as do the ones in TN who had a good bill to show up to support, and only 6 showed up then too. That bill would have stopped the state from taxing anything to do with e-cigs and they still couldn't bother to show up to speak in support, it died.

I mentioned the cigs cause I thought it sounded like you were thinking of giving up. Whew. IMO it's just not possible to go back now that I know. Not an option. I'm pretty sure the FDA hasn't considered that fully. I know BT has and they think they can get around it with additives. Nope. Also not an option and I don't trust the FDA to keep BT in line. I have a quote from the Surgeon General's Report on smoking saying cigs have gotten worse, including during the time the FDA was supposed to have oversight.

I'm collecting quotes for my letter to the FDA. I need to look for that WSJ article where Herzog recognizes the vaping industry (finally) and points out that people with more powerful devices and tanks result in quitting (pointed out as a negative in valuation of market growth). It's crazy how some things disappear/get buried on the net.

Calif had this broad online sales ban come to the floor on the 30th. A lot of my vendors are in Calif. (faster shipping) and I got these emergency all caps emails from them about it. I've been following the thread in legislation news on ECF. The 30th came and a grand total of 6 people showed up, with 1 vendor - NJoy who feels quite comfortable speaking for the entire business side of vaping. Needless to say, I was not in a good mood about the survival of vaping. Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to disparage Njoy and it was a huge bonus they showed up. Njoy got immediate back room access and may be the final hope the bill doesn't succeed (vote was unaminous for online ban). Surprise - UPS and FedEX also have skin in the game and showed up to SUPPORT the bill to require signature on delivery.

But vendors ..... Velvet Cloud is less than 2 hours away. NN? Sun-Vapers? Vaper Rev? B&M's - even across the street? Notta. I'm so hopping mad. I think those panicked emails amounted to little more than marketing right now. I know they gained extra sales 'in support'. I also know that I won't ever react the same way to a vendor crying "wolf" again and that's bad. I'm not sure what my response will be, but I can guess that there will need to be one. One thought was to start a thread where people could mention vendors who support vaping. A little free advertising. It just sux that is what it takes.

The thing is that this is a repeated experience in a number of states. Wa? There's big vendors there. 24-48 hours before the tax bill comes to a vote, they FINALLY send out all cap emails. Like what did they expect anyone to do at that hour - where were they for rallies, to knock on doors, phone calls, funding? It was a slap in the face to customers who (IMO) valued their business more than they do. And I know they both had a rush of orders the last minute from customers who were afraid that their favorite products might be in jeopordy.

Njoy's first statement included "let's make a deal" and Calif. state agreed. That may save the bill. But that is the difference between a business vs a consumer trying to get access to local lawmakers. It's no contest.

This was not what I was expecting to write about.

Estimates are that 2/3rd's of ecig users are dual users and comments about dual useage is one of the things the FDA is specifically asking for information on. I know of very few studies that are quotable of dual use - EXCEPT what Herzog mentioned about better (IMO) devices. Dual use is one of the reasons cited for regulating ecigs (double the 'evil' nicotine). It's also reported that 2/3rd of ecig sales are cigalikes. Hmmmmm.... whaddya think is happening there? Anyway no one seems to see those figures might be connected. I guess it's sorta like the decline in cig sales = the rise in vaping never seems to be connected either.

Anyway, I just thought I'd mention that collecting quotes and studies and reports in order to comment about dual useage might be of interest to this thread.

Anyone have any ideas on how to kick vendors in the ....?

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Oh yea, there's a coop for the Mega tank and it really does look good; a marrage with a glassomizer + Kayfun = more convienent + without sacrifice. Much closer to the missing piece as far as juice delivery goes. (psst...the same coop has a china30 mod in it = hoping for dna30). What the heck does 20 watts provide to vaping??? IDK but the power seems consistant like provari's.

I can't remember what else I had to say and there was stuff. This kinda went sideways on me. So maybe I said enough.

Happy TGIF!

PS. Remembered one more thing - There is up to 5 million estimated vapers in the US (although many poor souls are stuck on cigalikes) and the membership in CASAA is apx 13,000. Do they represent the interests of vapers? Seriously, numbers do count. They need many more, apx 100,000 more. It's free. Sign up and make sure everyone else who wants to continue vaping does too.

 

[alisa1970]

FQ bought a pack of Newport100's and a lighter today. Smoked 3 in quick succession. Went into the bank to fix a $350 mistake and felt self-conscious of my odor.

FQ feels like she gave up. Almost 10 months down the toilet. Hey, at least I didn't get drunk!

I'll have to quit again. The taste is foul and so is the lingering scent of burning tobacco. Surprisingly it did not help me cope with my feelings, which is the only damn reason I resorted to buying them in the first place.

Epic fail. . .




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Hey FQ - don't feel like a failure!!! I don't see you that way. Why? THIS is what's so amazing about what you said:

it did not help me cope with my feelings, which is the only damn reason I resorted to buying them in the first place

I see this as a watershed moment for you. I had the exact same "problem" before I quit for good. It took several times having a cigarette, but each one was even LESS positive as the process moved forward. Every time I thought I wanted one, I would have one, and was sorely disappointed in the lack of positive effect, and so now, I have no desire whatsoever. I KNOW that smoking will not satisfy me the way it used to, so there is no reason to go back.

I hope that you're able to see how far you've come, and that you don't take that 10 months for granted. You will be successful at this.

 

[Thayamax]

What she said. ^^^^^^ Take it as a learning experience. You'll get through this. Come here when you need moral support. It really helps as you already know.

 

[aikanae1]

Hey FQ - don't feel like a failure!!! I don't see you that way. Why? THIS is what's so amazing about what you said:

I see this as a watershed moment for you. I had the exact same "problem" before I quit for good. It took several times having a cigarette, but each one was even LESS positive as the process moved forward. Every time I thought I wanted one, I would have one, and was sorely disappointed in the lack of positive effect, and so now, I have no desire whatsoever. I KNOW that smoking will not satisfy me the way it used to, so there is no reason to go back.

I hope that you're able to see how far you've come, and that you don't take that 10 months for granted. You will be successful at this.

THANK YOU for saying that! I am still getting relief from when I smoke, but it's much less satisfying and I'm much more frustrated with the odor and mess they create. But at least now I know I'm making some progress.

FQ- 3 cigs is not the same as going back to square one. You could dump the pack or give them away and there would be little addiction pull like when you first started. The $350 error sux. That's gotta hurt. Sorry to hear it.

 

[aikanae1]

Honestly I have given up, not on vaping and for now I'm not even considering smoking, but I have given up all hope of this country every really being a democracy again, if it in fact ever really was.

I'm pretty sure Njoy is one of the companies bought out by one of the big three tobacco companies so of course they will be listened to.

IMHO writing anything to the FDA is an effort in futility, they are owned lock stock and barrel by big Pharma and big tobacco.

We the people have no say in Federal Government at all and only a small say at a local level, we are only given the illusion of power. The only way that will change is if there is another revolution and since the dumbing down of the entire human race has been so successful, that is very unlikely. I can't really speak for the people of other countries but I know that the "follow blindly, don't ask questions, we know what is best for you, take this pill it will make you feel better and if there are side effects we can give you more pills with more side effects that we will give you even more pills for until we control your every thought" has been a complete success. Parents don't even have much if any control over raising their children anymore and the brainwashing and pill popping control starts at a very early age, required by the schools if any child should have the audacity to use their own minds.

The stuff of science fiction movies is here have no doubt and there is nothing we can do about it. I am only hoping that I don't live much longer because I don't like where the world is going.

I know most of you will simply think I am a rambling insane old woman, but I'm not, I am observant and I am tired of fighting the inevitable.

No I am not the least bit suicidal and I do not want to die, but I do not want to live the life that is coming all too soon.

The vendors you talk about deserve what is coming as do the ones in TN who had a good bill to show up to support, and only 6 showed up then too. That bill would have stopped the state from taxing anything to do with e-cigs and they still couldn't bother to show up to speak in support, it died.

Njoy is still independent. They are based in Az and they don't always agree with BT (just usually do). I know this because they've been lobbyists here, always been political including running for office and one of the reasons Az hasn't faced these regs has been due to them. I felt I should clear that up. On the other hand, I wouldn't put it past them to throw vaping as we know it under the bus if they felt they benefited.

So far more restrictions, bans, taxes have failed than passed. They will be back, no doubt. Public pressure is still a weapon, if we choose to use it. The nature of business however .... no comment.

 

[ShariR]

I am going to tell you not to feel bad about the smoking more than vaping lately. But you already know that. We always say to count the ones you do not smoke, not the ones you do. This patch will pass.

I wonder if we are in a certain Moon phase or the Stars are not aligned properly or something. Maybe the all over bad weather. But seems like a lot of people are having a bit of a tough time this past week or so. It will pass.

Today, after more than several days of mediocre to horrible vaping (taste mostly), I pick up my pv with my Russian on it and it tastes wonderful. Out of nowhere. I am not going to ask why. I am just happy right now.

I haven't left just been busy as hell at work, so far behind, ugh! Zombie brain! I have been waitin ton a few packages.
I have found that apparently I don't like mech mods...... Now I have two girlie pretty ones, but they just sit there, I like my spinners better!

This week I have smoked more than vaped... Feel bad!

 

[ShariR]

Aw, FQ, you will be fine. You fixed the bank thing and tomorrow is another day. You are Scarlett today. Just rip down those green curtains and make yourself a beautiful dress!

Really though. Stuff happens. Life happens. Three cigarettes is not a failure of any sort, shape or size. It is a chance to remember why you vape, why you want to vape. New day, new approach, new attitude. Sometimes that is all we can do on any given day.

Where is my crazy elixir mixer???

FQ bought a pack of Newport100's and a lighter today. Smoked 3 in quick succession. Went into the bank to fix a $350 mistake and felt self-conscious of my odor.

FQ feels like she gave up. Almost 10 months down the toilet. Hey, at least I didn't get drunk!

I'll have to quit again. The taste is foul and so is the lingering scent of burning tobacco. Surprisingly it did not help me cope with my feelings, which is the only damn reason I resorted to buying them in the first place.

Epic fail. . .




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[ShariR]

So. My first super positive day in probably only a handful of bad ones, but it feels like the bad ones were forever. Morning vape started out in poor taste land. Decided I would rewick the R91 after we got back from appointment at cabinet dealer.

We BOUGHT the cabinets today. Finally!!! They will be delivered in 3 to 4 weeks. Happy, happy, happy!

Our name is on a slab of granite for the island that looks like a slice of the Grand Canyon. A statement piece, it is called an exotic granite. So it is mine, mine, mine. Finally again. More Happy!

Now I have to get ahold of the Hardwood guy and get him in here ASAP to get the floors replaced and finished. And the Electrician and Plumber. And the Sheetrock and Paint guy. All before the cabinets get here. Hope they are not booked.

And the fun begins!!!

So, we come home after plunking down the money for the cabinets and having an O'Charleys dinner and I pick up my Provari with the R91 on top and the vape is tasting awesome again. The exact same tank of juice that tasted like burnt pee yesterday. Go figure.

What is the story? Was I not drinking enough water? Not eating right? Just a miserable wretch that put a hex on my own tastebuds? Maybe the good news and the good meal (cedar planked salmon) cured that nasty taste? I do not know why or how my taste is back but, boy, am I glad it is. I hope it stays for a while this time.

 

[ShariR]

Claudia, I do hear what you are saying regarding our individual ability to really make a difference. I am wondering if some of what you are feeling is just due to our age and experience. When we are young it seems like anything and everything is possible. The older I get the less I feel that way. And the longer change takes the less I am interested because I feel I will not be here for the effects of some things. I just hope the bad stuff I feel is coming goes slow enough that I am gone before it can wreck havock on my life. I do not have the energy to keep up with everything anymore. I have lost faith in our political process too. I wonder if it has always been as corrupt or just that I am paying more attention now. I have a feeling the greed is getting a lot worse all the way up the scale. There used to be some semblance of humanity in politics long ago, I am not seeing much of that now.

I do try to do positive things for people but at this point in my life it is more on a one on one basis or by donating to a charity I trust to spend the funds on the people and not admin.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

FQ bought a pack of Newport100's and a lighter today. Smoked 3 in quick succession. Went into the bank to fix a $350 mistake and felt self-conscious of my odor.

FQ feels like she gave up. Almost 10 months down the toilet. Hey, at least I didn't get drunk!

I'll have to quit again. The taste is foul and so is the lingering scent of burning tobacco. Surprisingly it did not help me cope with my feelings, which is the only damn reason I resorted to buying them in the first place.

Epic fail. . .




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Just brush yourself off and get back up on the horse and ride!
love you!

 

[darksparkle13]

Gosh to seems like a lot of people are having a rough time!
This to shall pass right!
It's Saturday and the sun is shining!
Coffe this morning out on the patio such a welcoming day!

 

[Topdogie01]

Um im gonna blame the weather. . Going from nice 70s back to high 30s to 40s.. im getting restless from being cooped in the house.

Still a bit upset that I can't attend the college I want without going to local college for 3 years just to be able to take a class that would transfer and qualify me or paying~400 for a IT certification. stupid freelancing not counting. .

I think mother nature is drunk. Or really really bipolar, manic for a day to few days then immediate swing to depressed with freezing temperatures. During spring. Grr.

Still have insomnia. About to sleep. Hoping child will stay asleep for 4 more hours so I can nap long enough to last the overtime girlfriend will be working

 

[aikanae1]

Personally, I think the entire community is in a state of shock or denial with the deeming regulations. They really are wicked. I can't figure out how much time we actually have either, which means that's pretty much in the air. IMO, it sounds as if the FDA could go after flavors as soon as it's final which maybe as soon as the final regualtions are gotten back from OMD after the 75day period. They may not have to wait the full 2 years. I don't know yet. There were bottles of eliquid used prior to 2007 but they weren't "registered" with FDA. They pretty much say (in the details) the only acceptable product is a cigarette and then they don't allow cigarettes as an acceptable prequesite. I think there's an off chance that BT's been fooled into wasting millions on cigalikes that haven't got a chance too. That's my opinion only of course.

So what now. Stockpiling? How do I predict my needs in the future. It seems most rba's and rda's aren't even a good bet for long term use. They wear out. Everything will eventually. Ego's may escape due to dual use / NORML has strong lobbying. FDA does not have jurisdiction. Still the prices will quadruple+. And I don't see people fighting.

 

[beebopnjazz]

Omg - I don't know if this is in the news section yet - but look what I stumbled across

US city health officials want tighter restrictions on e-cigarettes
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/...ls-want-tighter-restrictions-on-e-cigarettes/

 

[GtrSoloist]

First I want to congratulate all those reaching milestones or for personal victories. (a la Shari or FQ) I lurk, but rarely get caught up enough to post, or reply to posts that aren't already a week (or more) old. I will try to address what little my feeble mind can remember...

Shari: I can relate to flavors just not doing it for you. What works for me sometimes is to give my regular flavors a break for a while, because I am usually just bored of them. This often results in my smoking more, since I am still a dual user. WTA might help, I noticed that it did lesson cravings for me, however the "unflavored" version I got from Wholecig still has a "tobacco" flavor that literally turns my stomach.

I recently got some Ahlusion juices, do they need to be opened to steep or do they steep on their own like most liquids do? I've yet to try any of them.

Switching up flavors and equipment might be part of the problem as well. The same flavor used in a protank / rba / rda results in subtle changes to both the flavors and NIC levels. As far as having a difficult time with the Igo-L, you might try using 30 or 32 wire instead of 28. Much less surface area = not as much vapor or nic.

The being said, I don't lung hit the drippers either. I use a pipe method, of 3 puffs (literally taking my lips off the drip tip, while still firing the PV) into my mouth, and then inhaling that into my lungs. If that makes any sense.

Aik: I am totally with you on the kanger aero tank airflow control valves / bases. I have 4 of them now, and getting ready to get a bunch more before the vapocalypse. I have a bunch of protanks so they should last a very long time if needed. The new bases completely fixed all my issues with protanks!

Speaking of the vapocalypse, (more on this later) Can anyone recommend a good source for the non-peppery tasting nic? I want to freeze some just in case. Also I am thinking of getting a backup zmax for the same reason. I was planning on getting an eroll... but now I'm not sure that I want to invest in more eq that I might not be able to get attys or other parts for... Any thoughts?

FDA / Vapocalypse stuff: About 5 months ago I noticed a 2 page color advert in a major mens magazine for a cigalike semi-disposable ecig. Over the last year there has been a huge marketing push for ecigs in general so the ad was not much different than other ads... until I looked at it closely. The first red flag was when it stated that this was a tobacco product, the second red flag was where it disclosed that the product is owned by the RJ Reynolds company.

It may not seem like such a big deal, but in one stroke they are classifying a competing product as something it is not in order to effect legislation that will ultimately give them a monopoly over said product; thereby forcing mom and pop businesses to close down. As always, it boils down to greed.

Another disturbing trend I've noticed over the last few months is the utter demonization of e-cigarettes on the "local" news channels. (I say local but most stories come down from the Network and are repackaged to air on local affiliates.) Suddenly the evil e-cigarette peddler is marketing them to children with the candy flavors, and poisonings have gone up 250%. The reality check is that I've never seen any marketing to kids, rather the industry has been self regulating from the beginning. As for poisonings going up: a) Users of e-cigs went from thousands to around a million, b) people need to keep dangerous things from their children, and c) see rule b.

Make no mistake, network news is NOT news. Network news has become a game of ratings and a way to influence the public's perception.

I'm not wearing a tinfoil hat, rather I'm pointing out that Rupert Murdoch owns Fox, and everything down to their "local" news is slanted to the right. NBC, and MSNBC is slanted to the left.. btw... NBC is Really, "NBC-Universal... a Comcast company." ABC is of course Owned by Disney, and CBS is owned by Sumner Redstone who is worth a paltry 6.2 billion and who also owns Viacom, MTV, BET and Paramount.

The point I'm trying to make is that there are a lot of people and businesses who are motivated by money. Public opinion sadly, really doesn't matter. The FDA and other similar organizations work for the corporations, to protect *them* from the general public. Not the reverse.

Before I go too far off on a tangent, the FDA does need to regulate e-cigarettes. It should be illegal for minors to purchase liquid. We should know what else is put in the liquid we use. Warning labels should tell the ...... not to drink it, that it is poison, and probably bad for them to one degree or another.

IMHO, there may be a supply hic-up. But I seriously doubt hardware will step-back 7 or 8 years. They may try to regulate flavors but it's impractical. Wick and Wire, PG, VG and batteries will also remain available. That leaves us with devices and nicotine. Thinking about it, Nicotine is probably safe too since anyone 18 or over can walk into a store and buy the patches/gum/losanges/enhalers/tobacco... and home made mods are still not difficult to make.

This is a battle over profit and tax revenue. Stock up if you need to, but the sky isn't falling... yet... (and possibly not ever.)

/rant

 

[Topdogie01]

Gtr, the magazine. It was maxim wasn't it? I KNEW I wasn't the only reader. I enjoy most of the humor in it. Lol

 

[darksparkle13]

Um im gonna blame the weather. . Going from nice 70s back to high 30s to 40s.. im getting restless from being cooped in the house.

Still a bit upset that I can't attend the college I want without going to local college for 3 years just to be able to take a class that would transfer and qualify me or paying~400 for a IT certification. stupid freelancing not counting. .

I think mother nature is drunk. Or really really bipolar, manic for a day to few days then immediate swing to depressed with freezing temperatures. During spring. Grr.

Still have insomnia. About to sleep. Hoping child will stay asleep for 4 more hours so I can nap long enough to last the overtime girlfriend will be working

Mother nature is bipolar here tooooo! Have been so sick I can't vape it tastes horrible, it's not vape tongue! Everything tastes bad except coffee and cigarettes. How sad it that didn't do crap yerstady except lay around, hubby is making sure I take NyQuil every four hours to feel better. Butnada, zilch, zero still fel like crap!

 

[darksparkle13]

depending on which mods they are.. and if you normally vape at a certain power (watts or volts and knowing the resistance to find the watts) you might be able to use a kick to have the mech at a regulated power level? i have a kick knock off from a kts-2 co-op i was in, but havent played with it much outside of the device it came with. im not sure how low of a resistance they can use though, so it may not be able to use lower resistances than your spinners.

I may have to get a kick, or just sell what I got. I got my MVP which I adore and a lava tube that I am digging!

 

[ShariR]

Darksparkle. From what I read on ECF, the kick will make your mech mod a regulated vv mod. The kick I read about says you set the volts at your desired level on the kick, there is a little wheel like a clock dial. I do not believe you can sub ohm on a kick. It will not fit all mechs. I am not sure which Forum talks all about them since I have only passing knowledge and no real interest in mechs or kicks.

Either do a search on ECF or a google search. That should pull up some threads about it. Several mfg make them. I am pretty sure they are under $20 and I think Fasttech has at least one.

 

[ShariR]

So I am going to my monthly vape meet in Nashville in an hour. I am taking all my coil building stuff, my R91 v2 and the new v1 center pin to get help on replacing the floating pin, my R91 that is tasting bad for trouble shooting on what may be wrong, lots of 28ga and 30ga wire and a few cotton balls, and tools, tools, tools. Hopefully the coil builders will be there and I can get my very expensive Russians performing up to their potential. And my best juice to fill them with.

Should be a good afternoon/evening.