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Well, I just found this thread, and I'm glad, because I'm trying to taper-down/leave off the cigarettes for the 2nd time, but it seems much harder for me this time. Back in February it seemed like they just fell away, but now they seem to be dogging my every footstep.

I was 110 days smoke-free when I had to have an emergency appendectomy; that went great, thanks to the clear lungs, and I got to go home the same day. But the next 3 days, thanks to a long-standing case of IBS, were pure hell, at both ends. I didn't eat, vape, or even manage to drink much of anything that I could keep down, for about 4 days. When that was finally over, EVERYTHING tasted awful to me, including my much-beloved ADV Virginia. But at 115 days smoke-free, cravings were just slapping me around, so I smoked. That was June 22, and although I've been trying to vape for a couple weeks now, it still tastes a bit odd to me, and I'm still smoking, even though I don't really want to be -- it's like that giant bully in the tv commercial, bossing me around. :(

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Welcome Andria! You'll definitely find support here - although not as lively as it was when it started, you might find some good tips buried deep in the weeds if you have the time to read it all, lol.
 

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Well, I just found this thread, and I'm glad, because I'm trying to taper-down/leave off the cigarettes for the 2nd time, but it seems much harder for me this time. Back in February it seemed like they just fell away, but now they seem to be dogging my every footstep.

I was 110 days smoke-free when I had to have an emergency appendectomy; that went great, thanks to the clear lungs, and I got to go home the same day. But the next 3 days, thanks to a long-standing case of IBS, were pure hell, at both ends. I didn't eat, vape, or even manage to drink much of anything that I could keep down, for about 4 days. When that was finally over, EVERYTHING tasted awful to me, including my much-beloved ADV Virginia. But at 115 days smoke-free, cravings were just slapping me around, so I smoked. That was June 22, and although I've been trying to vape for a couple weeks now, it still tastes a bit odd to me, and I'm still smoking, even though I don't really want to be -- it's like that giant bully in the tv commercial, bossing me around. :(

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Andria, sorry to hear about the appendectomy... had mine out when I was young and the first few weeks sucked big time.

Welcome to the group and embrace the suck! (You'll understand as we go along lol!)
 

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Strange thing is I keep envisioning it with long white whiskers and cat ears, lol.

Pretty sure they make cat ears for cars, I think its big with the hello kitty fans. Plus you could get some decals for whiskers.. like the removable wall decal (if it doesn't hurt car paint)?

VAPER IN THE WILD ALERT !!!

The wild was my house. Had the cable guy out to check reception problems we have been having and dropped phone calls.
He ended up fixing the rolling screen on DH tv in bedroom and we got 3 brand new dvr boxes. This cable company never gives out new equipment. They always give you used stuff. So today was a good day.

Woo, always good to get a good service tech. And to see other vapers in the area.
 

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EVERYTHING tasted awful to me, including my much-beloved ADV Virginia.
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Heya andria! Welcome. Chat with us for as long as you would like to. We are all friendly here.

As to your adv tasting off. Could it be from the sickness and your tastes have changed? When I was sick a while back I couldn't vape at all, and ended up smoking slightly more than before I started to cut down. After I was feeling better nothing tasted like it used to and I found my tastes had changed. Used to really like fruity flavors, now I only seem to like them as secondary flavors.
 

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Well, I just found this thread, and I'm glad, because I'm trying to taper-down/leave off the cigarettes for the 2nd time, but it seems much harder for me this time. Back in February it seemed like they just fell away, but now they seem to be dogging my every footstep.

I was 110 days smoke-free when I had to have an emergency appendectomy; that went great, thanks to the clear lungs, and I got to go home the same day. But the next 3 days, thanks to a long-standing case of IBS, were pure hell, at both ends. I didn't eat, vape, or even manage to drink much of anything that I could keep down, for about 4 days. When that was finally over, EVERYTHING tasted awful to me, including my much-beloved ADV Virginia. But at 115 days smoke-free, cravings were just slapping me around, so I smoked. That was June 22, and although I've been trying to vape for a couple weeks now, it still tastes a bit odd to me, and I'm still smoking, even though I don't really want to be -- it's like that giant bully in the tv commercial, bossing me around. :(

Andria

Hi, Andria, and welcome to our thread. I've seen you around a lot, especially on the Sigelei thread. I'm sorry to hear that you're having difficulty going back to vaping after your surgery. Smoking is so much easier than vaping...no thought required.

Like Top said, maybe your tastes have changed. Do you have any other type of juice you could try that's different from what you were using? Have you considered trying a NET juice? Many people swear by them as the extra kick they needed to get off the smokes.

This is a great support group here. Anytime you need to ask a question, get a suggestion, vent after a bad day or just talk to someone who is/was in the same boat, you can do it here. I never could have been able to quit without the support I got from these wonderful people.
 

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Welcome to the thread Andria. You found a great group here. Just from my experience reading here on ECF and trying to quit smoking, period, I think the 2nd time and subsequent tries to quit are always harder than that first time. Probably has a lot to do with beating yourself up for picking up that cigarette after having stopped for a time.

Hang out here with us. Great people here. Some of us are still smoking, some of us have been quit for a while, and several more of us are at different points in our journey.

One thing I can tell you that I think everyone here will agree with is that you need to stop beating yourself up for smoking/still smoking. Keep vaping, try new flavors/vendors and maybe a new topper. And RELAX. Try to stop worrying about it. Just count the ones you do not smoke. Or do not count at all.

Vaping is a pretty personal thing in the end. Some things will work for some people and not for others. You will find what is right for you. And just because something worked for you the first time, it may need some tweaking this go around or a whole new approach.

Hang in there!!

Well, I just found this thread, and I'm glad, because I'm trying to taper-down/leave off the cigarettes for the 2nd time, but it seems much harder for me this time. Back in February it seemed like they just fell away, but now they seem to be dogging my every footstep.

I was 110 days smoke-free when I had to have an emergency appendectomy; that went great, thanks to the clear lungs, and I got to go home the same day. But the next 3 days, thanks to a long-standing case of IBS, were pure hell, at both ends. I didn't eat, vape, or even manage to drink much of anything that I could keep down, for about 4 days. When that was finally over, EVERYTHING tasted awful to me, including my much-beloved ADV Virginia. But at 115 days smoke-free, cravings were just slapping me around, so I smoked. That was June 22, and although I've been trying to vape for a couple weeks now, it still tastes a bit odd to me, and I'm still smoking, even though I don't really want to be -- it's like that giant bully in the tv commercial, bossing me around. :(

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Welcome Andria! You'll definitely find support here - although not as lively as it was when it started, you might find some good tips buried deep in the weeds if you have the time to read it all, lol.

Guess it's a good thing I gave myself the full year to quit, eh? ;) (and I'm back to the eRolls -- the muted-flavor thing is actually helping me, I think, so my Virginia doesn't taste quite so odd to me!)

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Heya andria! Welcome. Chat with us for as long as you would like to. We are all friendly here.

As to your adv tasting off. Could it be from the sickness and your tastes have changed? When I was sick a while back I couldn't vape at all, and ended up smoking slightly more than before I started to cut down. After I was feeling better nothing tasted like it used to and I found my tastes had changed. Used to really like fruity flavors, now I only seem to like them as secondary flavors.

Hi, Andria, and welcome to our thread. I've seen you around a lot, especially on the Sigelei thread. I'm sorry to hear that you're having difficulty going back to vaping after your surgery. Smoking is so much easier than vaping...no thought required.

Like Top said, maybe your tastes have changed. Do you have any other type of juice you could try that's different from what you were using? Have you considered trying a NET juice? Many people swear by them as the extra kick they needed to get off the smokes.

This is a great support group here. Anytime you need to ask a question, get a suggestion, vent after a bad day or just talk to someone who is/was in the same boat, you can do it here. I never could have been able to quit without the support I got from these wonderful people.

Yes, I think the 115 days smoke free let my tastebuds change a *great* deal, just in recuperating; then, going for so long without vaping (4 or 5 days), I lost the "acclimation" (if that's a word) to the taste of vapor in general, and really everything tasted just horrible to me, everything tasted bitter as sin, and it took me almost 2 wks to be able to eat normally. Before I got sick, I was *just* beginning to turn slightly from my ADV Virginia to more fruit flavors, really enjoying Blueberry Muffin and Pineapple Express; now those 2 are the only ones that taste "right" to me, but they're fruity, which was great when I hadn't had a cigarette in so long, but now... well they just don't seem an adequate substitute. So, as I mentioned to Alisa, I've gone back to my old eRolls, because they mute the flavor a bit, make it not taste so odd to me, and the cigalike form factor also seems to help, since my urge to smoke has been reawakened.


Welcome to the thread Andria. You found a great group here. Just from my experience reading here on ECF and trying to quit smoking, period, I think the 2nd time and subsequent tries to quit are always harder than that first time. Probably has a lot to do with beating yourself up for picking up that cigarette after having stopped for a time.

Yes, I feel like a total idiot and a complete failure for doing such a stupid, stupid thing when I had it LICKED!, but at the time, I don't know what else I could have done; just the smell of vapor at that point made me feel ill.

Hang out here with us. Great people here. Some of us are still smoking, some of us have been quit for a while, and several more of us are at different points in our journey.

One thing I can tell you that I think everyone here will agree with is that you need to stop beating yourself up for smoking/still smoking. Keep vaping, try new flavors/vendors and maybe a new topper. And RELAX. Try to stop worrying about it. Just count the ones you do not smoke. Or do not count at all.

Vaping is a pretty personal thing in the end. Some things will work for some people and not for others. You will find what is right for you. And just because something worked for you the first time, it may need some tweaking this go around or a whole new approach.

Hang in there!!

Well one thing I'm glad about is that even the limited amount of vaping I'm doing is still acting as harm reduction; normally in the summer, I would be smoking 25-30 cigarettes daily, but I'm managing to hold it to half a pk a day. But I miss my clear lungs and clear sinuses, and also not having to carry that smell around with me all the time. I miss being able to do a little dance of joy, hollering "I don't smoke anymore!"

And even worse than beating up on myself, I can already hear what my mom will say, if/when she finds out that I'm smoking again -- some variation of "I knew you couldn't do it," or "I knew those things wouldn't work." She has always claimed the role of "devil's advocate," but what that means is that she's a negative, emotionally-abusive self-esteem destroyer, and I really hate that at the age of 53, and she's 73, she still treats me that way, but I guess some people don't change no matter how old or infirm they get. And her age and infirmity is a big part of the problem, too -- when I was younger, I moved right across the country -- all the way to Michigan! -- just to get away from her, but now, with her degree of ill health, it's very plain that her time on the planet is pretty sharply limited, and she is my only mom, even if she's kind of a crappy one. And I'm her only child, so at this point, just going away from her completely isn't an option. I have this week, till Thursday, to get free of cigarettes again, or she *is* going to find out, because when I see her next Saturday, she'll smell it on me. I picked Thursday because I'd like a full day of smoke-free before I see her, so hopefully I can get rid of the smell.

I feel like enough of a failure, I really don't need her rubbing it in. And she will. That's just who she is. And no, I really don't have a choice in seeing her next Saturday; we've had an arrangement with my folks for about a year to clean their house for them monthly, for which they pay us $75, which pays my Visa card payment; it was supposed to be today, but I begged off, claiming I still wasn't quite up to par for a full day's work, so it has to be next Saturday.

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Welcome Andria :)
Just a few thoughts.
Maybe during your brief interlude your juices steeped and flavor profile changed or nicotine oxidized and became bitter? I have issues inhaling too and make a very mild ry4 I'd be happy to send you some to try along with my net tobacco extract. Just pm me your address and what mg you vape. I also do a Swedish fish flavor if your interested (I don't do fruits myself anymore) unless your strictly a tobacco vaper.
Secondly - cigarettes help calm ibs and IBD. Google anatabine and maybe check out wta juice or even Swedish Snus to help the ibs symptoms. Be sure to use only Swedish Snus though as it's totally different than American. General Snus is pretty easy to find and rather inexpensive. If you can't find it locally I can send you a can to try.
Don't worry about falling off the wagon. If quitting was easy this whole forum would be redundant. Your only a failure when you give up trying. Until then your a fighter, losing a few battles doesn't mean you can't win the war.
 

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Welcome Andria :)
Just a few thoughts.
Maybe during your brief interlude your juices steeped and flavor profile changed or nicotine oxidized and became bitter? I have issues inhaling too and make a very mild ry4 I'd be happy to send you some to try along with my net tobacco extract. Just pm me your address and what mg you vape. I also do a Swedish fish flavor if your interested (I don't do fruits myself anymore) unless your strictly a tobacco vaper.
Secondly - cigarettes help calm ibs and IBD. Google anatabine and maybe check out wta juice or even Swedish Snus to help the ibs symptoms. Be sure to use only Swedish Snus though as it's totally different than American. General Snus is pretty easy to find and rather inexpensive. If you can't find it locally I can send you a can to try.
Don't worry about falling off the wagon. If quitting was easy this whole forum would be redundant. Your only a failure when you give up trying. Until then your a fighter, losing a few battles doesn't mean you can't win the war.


I have considered that, about the ejuice I used to love so much, but I can't see how it's possible; I always mixed up enough to have a bottle (60ml) in the cabinet, and a small bottle out, to refill from, and during the whole time I was vaping regularly, I never noticed any particular change in the 60ml stored in the cabinet, that I use to refill the small bottle from. Pretty sure the change is just me, and my perceptions.

I don't think the RY4 is for me; when I first started, I tasted a few of those sweet tobacco flavors, and they just icked me out; I don't like sweet tobacco at all, it reminds me of pipe tobacco, nothing at all like cigarette tobacco, which is a great deal more bitter -- at least, the cigarettes I smoke are kinda bitter, and I always preferred Winstons (bitter) to marlboros (too sweet). I have considered that I really need to taste some other varieties of tobacco; maybe some of those NETs, but without any sweet flavors added. But I don't believe there is anywhere around here with flavors like that I could try; my favorite B&M, I *think* the only tobacco flavors he has are the Halo brand, and when I tasted them before, I wasn't impressed with any of them -- but of course that may have changed, so I guess I ought to give them another taste and just see how they strike me.

I did get some WTA, Aroma's WTA Virginia, and I'm adding a little of it to my regular; I can't do it "straight" because it's 12mg, and that's just too strong for me; I mixed it with some of my own 7mg Virginia and 10mg Virginia, so the mg probably comes out to about 9.5mg, which is just about right for me. I guess it's really just a matter of getting used to the taste again. I remember when I first started vaping, and first got this Virginia (from MyFreedomSmokes), that although it's close to the taste of my cigarettes, it *is* a bit sweeter, because of the absence of burning, so I just have to persuade my tastebuds all over again that it's actually *better* than the smokes. The IBS seems to have finally calmed down, although my anxiety over the medical bills climbs a bit higher every day, so who knows how long the IBS will leave me in peace; stress always seems to make it worse.

I already know that Snus is absolutely not for me; it grosses me out just to think of it, so there's no way I could actually put that in my mouth. I've considered maybe getting some of the step-3, 7mg patches, and just using the eRoll when the actual *must smoke NOW* urge hits, but the patches are pretty dang expensive, so it's not something I can just pick up on a whim; at $38, they cost about the same as a new mod :D so I'd have to plan for an expenditure like that, just as I would have to, to get a new mod. :D

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Andrea, I truly feel for your situation. I had a very trying relationship with my mother; we did not get along at all, to the point that I did sever contact for many years. She actually would smile slightly once she would get me crying. You are a better daughter than I was, I could not do it.

I am the opposite with the tobaccos, I like the sweet ones. Have you tried any of the teas? Sounds like maybe a straight up Earl Grey might be a possibility. Have you checked out the NET thread here? They talk all tobacco and some of the vendors they talk about are not real expensive. You may luck out there. There is also a NET swap thread here; maybe trade some of your juice.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ussion/519685-natural-tobaccos-part-deux.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...atural-extracted-tobacco-pif-swap-thread.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-please-read-first-post-rules-guidelines.html

Do take Lox up on his offer of juice. He is quite the mixmaster. And his Swedish Fish is wonderful.
 

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I'm having little dashboard statues made up of me :p

Will they be bobble-heads? I want one!!!!

Welcome Andria, I'm sorry to hear about your struggles. I'm struggling too, but I just keep starting over every time I fall off the wagon. It's got to stick eventually, right?

Keep hanging out here, we are a pretty fun bunch. And knowledgable!


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I'd be happy to send you some of my net tobacco juice - several vendors are now using my extraction method ;)

Well that's very nice of you, but I really am unfamiliar with any of them -- do any of them have that mild, smooth taste like Virginia tobacco? I say that I don't like "sweet tobacco," and that's very true, but it turns out that Virginia actually is just a tiny bit sweet, but the smooth savory notes overwhelm the sweetness by a considerable degree -- the sweetness is really just a *hint*, whereas other tobacco flavors I've tried started sweet, ended sweet, and left a sweet aftertaste -- ugh. I really like smoothness, but with a definite throat hit. I'm thinking that the mildness of the throat hit from these eRolls may be one of my problems, but if I try to vape from my kayfuns, I get the TH, but I also get the flavor very clearly, and at the moment that's not really a good thing.

I dunno; I've been leaving the kayfuns alone for a few days now, just using the eRolls to get used to the taste again; maybe it's time to fill the kayfun again and give it another try. I notice that the WTA Virginia seems somewhat less sweet than my own mix, so maybe I need to make the WTA Virginia about 50% of the total instead of only about a third.

I'm also thinking of other "additives" I might get, to make what I have a little better; I notice this stuff called "Flash" at ecigexpress, supposed to make the TH a lot more substantial. Also, was wondering about this "tobacco absolute" stuff, supposed to have a smoky taste, which might also help. Anyone know anything, personally, about those?

Thx!
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Andrea, I truly feel for your situation. I had a very trying relationship with my mother; we did not get along at all, to the point that I did sever contact for many years. She actually would smile slightly once she would get me crying. You are a better daughter than I was, I could not do it.

Mine doesn't smile; she always likes to impersonate a "good mother", but I remember, in my youth, if she got me to crying, her response was always "oh, don't be so damn dramatic!" As if *I* was the one with the problem... :facepalm: It took me many, many years to sort out her BS from reality; I was in my 40s before I finally could deal with it all, and realize exactly *why* I had been so angry, and had such low self-esteem, my entire life. Fortunately I think I turned out to be a pretty good mom, despite the poor example; anytime I was confused about anything, when my son was growing up, I'd just do whatever was completely opposite from whatever my own mom would have done. :D But maybe it's fortunate that I didn't have a daughter, or it might have gone very differently.


I am the opposite with the tobaccos, I like the sweet ones. Have you tried any of the teas? Sounds like maybe a straight up Earl Grey might be a possibility. Have you checked out the NET thread here? They talk all tobacco and some of the vendors they talk about are not real expensive. You may luck out there. There is also a NET swap thread here; maybe trade some of your juice.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ussion/519685-natural-tobaccos-part-deux.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...atural-extracted-tobacco-pif-swap-thread.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-please-read-first-post-rules-guidelines.html

Do take Lox up on his offer of juice. He is quite the mixmaster. And his Swedish Fish is wonderful.

I will -- as soon as I feel intellligent enough to really know what it will be like -- when I first started and found that MFS Virginia, I really stopped looking -- I had found my ADV and it got me off cigarettes, so no need to really consider any others. Now I'm still as ignorant about all the other options as I was then. :facepalm:

Thx!
Andria
 
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