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twgbonehead

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I vote she go for the full-sized torch ... ya know, just in case her hubby goes through with his plans of putting in an ugly kitchen island.
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Morning folks, scrambled eggs and then a first attempt at a build on cotton...

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Fogging out my Bulldog with a 1.2ohm Igo-W on a k101 or an I30 when I don't have time to drip.

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Bone, yeah, I made that mistake when I made my first day of absinthe... and yeah it's strong as hell!!

I agree with the small lighter, I would suggest also what they call a "pencil torch". Similar to the windproof lighters you can solder with, just pencil shaped and easy to handle.

About the nicrome-vs-kanthal I have never used nichrome so I couldn't say.

Lox, got a link for the creme brulee torch? Always wanted one lol. And FYI, cell block by The Standard is a creme brulee flavor

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Fogging out my Bulldog with a 1.2ohm Igo-W on a k101 or an I30 when I don't have time to drip.

Bring on the fog machines!!
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About analogs vs ecigs and why ecigs are less dangerous to your health:

http://www.janty.com/en/news/item/vapor-test-results-by-keca
 

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There you go Erised. Let's get into the spirit of this thing. DH and I always kid each other about him digging a hole and burying me in the backyard. Those stories lasted for the whole year we were building the pool and pool house (which is now a glorified shed to house the lawnmower and other sundry tools). Big ideas and big dreams do not always turn out the way you initially plan. We have a friend that has 35 acres in the middle of nowhere out here. That is where the body will probably go. DH always says he will not die on me. He is not done making me miserable yet. It goes both ways. And then we laugh.

ooooh! Just looked out the window. The sleet has turned to snow. Wonder what other goodies Mother Nature has in store for us today. What a winter!


I vote she go for the full-sized torch ... ya know, just in case her hubby goes through with his plans of putting in an ugly kitchen island.
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Actually, one reason I recommended the lighters is that you can get them lots of places, and since Shari was going out on a spree, thought the instant gratification would be worth it. (Had to go to Walgreens today and saw a nice one behind the counter..... Had to buy it. Ronson JetLite, $4.95. Damn, this forum is bad for my wallet!) But most convenience stores will have some kind of torch lighter for $1.50 or so if you know what to look for.
 

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Well, I am cooling my jets today, currently watching the pretty snow come down. Not going out. Nobody, including me, can drive in this stuff out here. I used to be a good snow and bad weather driver when I lived back in CT, but since being here for over 10 years I find I have lost that skill or the desire to test it.

They just opened a Nashville Vapor shop in the same area as the CVS and Hobby Lobby so when I do get out I will go there too. They are supposed to stock the kanthal wire. I know I will pay more for it, but I will get a bit of the 28ga and 30ga and try to figure out the difference and which I prefer to make coils out of.

Is there a thread or site someone knows of that I can go to to learn about what gauge wire to use and why a microcoil is better than a 4 or 5 wrap coil and why use 28ga instead of 30ga. Somewhere I can get this knowledge?
 

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Just a cloud machine... call it a maxi coil lol

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Fogging out my Bulldog with a 1.2ohm Igo-W on a k101 or an I30 when I don't have time to drip.

Bring on the fog machines!!
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About analogs vs ecigs and why ecigs are less dangerous to your health:

http://www.janty.com/en/news/item/vapor-test-results-by-keca
 

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Well, I am cooling my jets today, currently watching the pretty snow come down. Not going out. Nobody, including me, can drive in this stuff out here. I used to be a good snow and bad weather driver when I lived back in CT, but since being here for over 10 years I find I have lost that skill or the desire to test it.

They just opened a Nashville Vapor shop in the same area as the CVS and Hobby Lobby so when I do get out I will go there too. They are supposed to stock the kanthal wire. I know I will pay more for it, but I will get a bit of the 28ga and 30ga and try to figure out the difference and which I prefer to make coils out of.

Is there a thread or site someone knows of that I can go to to learn about what gauge wire to use and why a microcoil is better than a 4 or 5 wrap coil and why use 28ga instead of 30ga. Somewhere I can get this knowledge?

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There are tons of sites with that information. The reason a micro coil gives better flavor than 4 or 5 wrap coil is because there is more coil surface touching the liquid. I'll try to remember to save some and pass them on, but you can also just google and find them.

Like you I've been watching the snow fall all day, but it is just now cooling off enough for it to stick, I thought about going to the store but that was before it started sticking, still wet yukky snow and while it would probably be fine to go I don't feel like getting all wet. All I need is bananas and that is because I did the stock up thing on Sunday because this was supposed to hit Monday night. Wondering what it's going to be like in the morning, a mess I'll bet.

Well, I am cooling my jets today, currently watching the pretty snow come down. Not going out. Nobody, including me, can drive in this stuff out here. I used to be a good snow and bad weather driver when I lived back in CT, but since being here for over 10 years I find I have lost that skill or the desire to test it.

They just opened a Nashville Vapor shop in the same area as the CVS and Hobby Lobby so when I do get out I will go there too. They are supposed to stock the kanthal wire. I know I will pay more for it, but I will get a bit of the 28ga and 30ga and try to figure out the difference and which I prefer to make coils out of.

Is there a thread or site someone knows of that I can go to to learn about what gauge wire to use and why a microcoil is better than a 4 or 5 wrap coil and why use 28ga instead of 30ga. Somewhere I can get this knowledge?
 

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Is there a thread or site someone knows of that I can go to to learn about what gauge wire to use and why a microcoil is better than a 4 or 5 wrap coil and why use 28ga instead of 30ga. Somewhere I can get this knowledge?

FYI:

Although I do not understand most of it - nor even want to get involved or started building "Stuff" like coils - I happen to know that there is one person here on ECF who is absolutely excellant about sharing information and provides a wealth of information on his "Blogs" and on a number of another threads when people ask (Here are 2: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oaks-contest-26-multiple-winners-winners.html and http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...t-helpful-information-promotions-coupons.html ) that have post concerning RBA/RDA and building coils too . . . His Name is - "Schnarph" . . . "You" can find his Blog here: E-Cigarette Forum - Schnarph - Blogs

I am also pretty sure he would answer any questions that "You" may have too - Just send him a PM and tell him "Uncle" sent Ya' . . . ;) (Oh Boy - Now am I in for it - better let him know . . .:facepalm: :lol: :lol: :lol:)

BTW: IMO - When it comes to RBA/RDA and building coils . . .

If "SCHNARPH" Doesn't Know, Then - NO ONE KNOWS ! ! ! He Is A GREAT RESOURCE . . . :thumbs:

Oh - Yea - He Knows a lot about APV/MODS, especially Mechanical "Stuff" too . . . :headbang:
 
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They just opened a Nashville Vapor shop in the same area as the CVS and Hobby Lobby so when I do get out I will go there too. They are supposed to stock the kanthal wire. I know I will pay more for it, but I will get a bit of the 28ga and 30ga and try to figure out the difference and which I prefer to make coils out of.

Is there a thread or site someone knows of that I can go to to learn about what gauge wire to use and why a microcoil is better than a 4 or 5 wrap coil and why use 28ga instead of 30ga. Somewhere I can get this knowledge?

I heard that there was some forum dedicated to e-cigarettes somewhere. Maybe if you googled it? ;-)

Ok, enough of being a smarta$$.

The lower the number, the larger the wire, and the lower the resistance per foot.

For Kanthal, 28 gauge has a resistance of slightly less than 1/2 ohm per inch. (0.44 ohms/in). If you wanted to wind a 1.5 ohm coil, you would use about 3 inches of wire. 30 gauge has a resistance of about 0.7 ohms/inch, so a 1.5 ohm coil would use a little more than 2 inches. You can see that if you wanted to wind a large coil, you would use the 28-gauge; the 30 gauge would be a smaller coil (either fewer turns or a smaller diameter).

The term "microcoil" usually means that the turns of the coil are touching each other. This is different than etherealink's coil, where the turns are spread apart. When the coils are touching each other, it heats up faster and runs a little hotter, because the turns heat each other up. (This is why a microcoil will turn red at the center first, and then the glow will spread to the ends). In a looser coil, the turns are far enough apart that it's as if each turn is "on it's own" and doesn't get heated up by its neighbors, so it tends to glow all at the same time. Of course, microcoils also tend to be smaller-diameter coils; if you squished etherealink's coil so the turns were touching it would be a very very short coil!

Because microcoils have such a small diameter, often the wick is put outside the coil (below, to the side, etc.) because it's hard to get much juice to flow through a tiny wick in the center, and vapor made in the center of the coil can't escape. But with a microcoil you need to pay attention to how the airflow works, because the vapor needs to "get out" (and it doesn't escape well if it has to travel through wet wicking material!) On the other hand, with a regular coil, the wick is inside, because that provides a great path for the vapor to escape; as long as air can pass over the whole coil assembly, the vapor flows freely.

Microcoils are a bit extreme; the only reason I've been dabbling in them is that an EVOD head provides very little room for a coil (and I really want my evod's to work a little better). They can work great if you get everything right, but if you don't they just don't work. They're also a lot harder on the eyes and hands! A loose coil is much easier to get working well, because the geometry isn't anywhere near as picky. Also a loose coil doesn't need to be a perfect spiral, if some turns are a little farther apart, or closer, it really doesn't make much difference.

I'd recommend you start with a regular, loose coil. Either 28 or 30 gauge will work, although the 28 gives you more length to play with.
 

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FYI:

Although I do not understand most of it - nor even want to get involved or started building "Stuff" like coils - I happen to know that there is one person here on ECF who is absolutely excellant about sharing information and provides a wealth of information on his "Blogs" and on a number of another threads when people ask (Here are 2: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oaks-contest-26-multiple-winners-winners.html and http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...t-helpful-information-promotions-coupons.html ) that have post concerning RBA/RDA and building coils too . . . His Name is - "Schnarph" . . . "You" can find his Blog here: E-Cigarette Forum - Schnarph - Blogs

I am also pretty sure he would answer any questions that "You" may have too - Just send him a PM and tell him "Uncle" sent Ya' . . . ;) (Oh Boy - Now am I in for it - better let him know . . .:facepalm: :lol: :lol: :lol:)

BTW: IMO - When it comes to RBA/RDA and building coils . . .

If "SCHNARPH" Doesn't Know, Then - NO ONE KNOWS ! ! ! He Is A GREAT RESOURCE . . . :thumbs:

Oh - Yea - He Knows a lot about APV/MODS, especially Mechanical "Stuff" too . . . :headbang:

Per your suggestion I spent the afternoon reading all the material offered in that blog. I have never and do not ever want to chase clouds of vapor but I based my decision on my personal feelings. Having read all about it I now know that I do not have a death wish and having spent a lot of years with my face I don't want to exchange it for a bundle of bloody bandages. I have ordered a mech mod in case the FDA does unspeakable things to the vaping community but micro and nano coils and huge clouds of vapor are not on my bucket list. Thanks for the info.
 

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There you go Erised. Let's get into the spirit of this thing. DH and I always kid each other about him digging a hole and burying me in the backyard. Those stories lasted for the whole year we were building the pool and pool house (which is now a glorified shed to house the lawnmower and other sundry tools). Big ideas and big dreams do not always turn out the way you initially plan. We have a friend that has 35 acres in the middle of nowhere out here. That is where the body will probably go. DH always says he will not die on me. He is not done making me miserable yet. It goes both ways. And then we laugh.

ooooh! Just looked out the window. The sleet has turned to snow. Wonder what other goodies Mother Nature has in store for us today. What a winter!
 

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Per your suggestion I spent the afternoon reading all the material offered in that blog. I have never and do not ever want to chase clouds of vapor but I based my decision on my personal feelings. Having read all about it I now know that I do not have a death wish and having spent a lot of years with my face I don't want to exchange it for a bundle of bloody bandages. I have ordered a mech mod in case the FDA does unspeakable things to the vaping community but micro and nano coils and huge clouds of vapor are not on my bucket list. Thanks for the info.
:lol: my itaste mvp works just fine lolill get into that sometime down the line for now im good with the vapor production i get.. and Hello everyone hope ur day was great/good
 

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Thank you Uncle for that. I do a lot of reading and think I understand something, then do more reading and get myself totally confused. Then I start the cycle again. I do the same stuff anytime I try to do Math. Kind of like a Pavlov's dog thing. Say the word math or start spouting off numbers and my brain switch goes into OFF mode.

Now that I really want to learn this stuff and understand it, it is quite a frustrating phenomena.

FYI:

Although I do not understand most of it - nor even want to get involved or started building "Stuff" like coils - I happen to know that there is one person here on ECF who is absolutely excellant about sharing information and provides a wealth of information on his "Blogs" and on a number of another threads when people ask (Here are 2: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oaks-contest-26-multiple-winners-winners.html and http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...t-helpful-information-promotions-coupons.html ) that have post concerning RBA/RDA and building coils too . . . His Name is - "Schnarph" . . . "You" can find his Blog here: E-Cigarette Forum - Schnarph - Blogs

I am also pretty sure he would answer any questions that "You" may have too - Just send him a PM and tell him "Uncle" sent Ya' . . . ;) (Oh Boy - Now am I in for it - better let him know . . .:facepalm: :lol: :lol: :lol:)

BTW: IMO - When it comes to RBA/RDA and building coils . . .

If "SCHNARPH" Doesn't Know, Then - NO ONE KNOWS ! ! ! He Is A GREAT RESOURCE . . . :thumbs:

Oh - Yea - He Knows a lot about APV/MODS, especially Mechanical "Stuff" too . . . :headbang:
 

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Thank you for that explanation. It does help some. I think I am going to go through the same mental blocks that I went through for the volts/watts/ohms explanations and understanding. I have an idea of the concept but beats the hell out of me still to know if I want to use 28 or 30 gauge wire or which coil is better. I have a feeling that I am just going to have to jump in and start winding coils and see if I can make something I can get to read on my Provari and then see if I can vape it. Some stuff I think you have to get hands on with and I think for me, my understanding is going to come with just doing it. I better buy BIG rolls of wire. This is going to take a while. lol

I just wish my eyes did not glaze over and my mind get foggy when I start reading technical stuff. Some people are just not math and numbers people. I want to be but have to work real hard at it. I am going to be a mad scientist. (clapping hands)

I heard that there was some forum dedicated to e-cigarettes somewhere. Maybe if you googled it? ;-)

Ok, enough of being a smarta$$.

The lower the number, the larger the wire, and the lower the resistance per foot.

For Kanthal, 28 gauge has a resistance of slightly less than 1/2 ohm per inch. (0.44 ohms/in). If you wanted to wind a 1.5 ohm coil, you would use about 3 inches of wire. 30 gauge has a resistance of about 0.7 ohms/inch, so a 1.5 ohm coil would use a little more than 2 inches. You can see that if you wanted to wind a large coil, you would use the 28-gauge; the 30 gauge would be a smaller coil (either fewer turns or a smaller diameter).

The term "microcoil" usually means that the turns of the coil are touching each other. This is different than etherealink's coil, where the turns are spread apart. When the coils are touching each other, it heats up faster and runs a little hotter, because the turns heat each other up. (This is why a microcoil will turn red at the center first, and then the glow will spread to the ends). In a looser coil, the turns are far enough apart that it's as if each turn is "on it's own" and doesn't get heated up by its neighbors, so it tends to glow all at the same time. Of course, microcoils also tend to be smaller-diameter coils; if you squished etherealink's coil so the turns were touching it would be a very very short coil!

Because microcoils have such a small diameter, often the wick is put outside the coil (below, to the side, etc.) because it's hard to get much juice to flow through a tiny wick in the center, and vapor made in the center of the coil can't escape. But with a microcoil you need to pay attention to how the airflow works, because the vapor needs to "get out" (and it doesn't escape well if it has to travel through wet wicking material!) On the other hand, with a regular coil, the wick is inside, because that provides a great path for the vapor to escape; as long as air can pass over the whole coil assembly, the vapor flows freely.

Microcoils are a bit extreme; the only reason I've been dabbling in them is that an EVOD head provides very little room for a coil (and I really want my evod's to work a little better). They can work great if you get everything right, but if you don't they just don't work. They're also a lot harder on the eyes and hands! A loose coil is much easier to get working well, because the geometry isn't anywhere near as picky. Also a loose coil doesn't need to be a perfect spiral, if some turns are a little farther apart, or closer, it really doesn't make much difference.

I'd recommend you start with a regular, loose coil. Either 28 or 30 gauge will work, although the 28 gives you more length to play with.
 
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