What TCR value are you using on your Cubis? I have one, slapped it on a DNA200 and couldn't get vapor production using SE's 316 curve. I had to manually change the TCR to .0012 to get it to perform properly.
TC beyond Ni200: Nickel Purity, Dicodes; Ti, SS, Resistherm NiFe30; Coefficient of Resistance
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What TCR value are you using on your Cubis? I have one, slapped it on a DNA200 and couldn't get vapor production using SE's 316 curve. I had to manually change the TCR to .0012 to get it to perform properly.
If you wanted to build a single coil SS say 5 wrap spaced or would it be better contact and more wraps. I'm used to Ti but thinking of trying SS in TC. What would be the best wire to use between 316, 316L,317L, and 430 that would work the best for TC. And what size would be best. I'm used to building 5 wrap Ti spaced coils at 3mm with 26awg.
Cool Thanks since I get my wire at Vape Atomizer Mesh I think they have all sizes of that what would be the best of the 430 and my mods all have adjustable TCR.
Yeah I just checked its magnetic 430 in 23,24,25,26,27,28
I use the
28 gauge Stainless Steel Wire - 430 Grade Nickel Free - 200 feet - 100% Guarantee
$10.00
From Unkamen Supplies. I have been very happy with it.
Eric
28 gauge Stainless Steel Wire - 430 Grade Nickel Free - 200 feet - 100% Guarantee
$10.00
From Unkamen Supplies. I have been very happy with it.
Eric
120 tcr on both the dna and the cuboid mod I won. 120 tcr on the cuboid also matches the heat of the cuboid in 316ss mode. It appears to be some form of ss but not the 316 we're accustomed to.
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Using spaced coil with 25awg ss430 5wraps. Would that work as well as Ti does? Also is spaced or contact coils kind of a user option of what they like best? I see the resistance of that coil would be around .25 is that high enough for ss? It's what I'm used to building and fit well on my STM's just wondering what the performance would be?
I can't tell a lick of difference in the vape between 24g Ti, 25g NiFe52 and 25g 430ss with my STmini save one thing, the Ti heats and cools faster than the other two.
OK maybe I won't bother with the SS then. I really like the Ti more durable then nickel and sounds like easier to ramp up then SS guess I was right about the Ti being the best wire for the job. I didn't care for working with nickel but was wondering what all the fuss was over SS. Ti suits me just fine. I am going to try 24 instead of 26 tho
I decided to change the flavor in my Serpent, it has a dual 28 gauge Ni core. Well I forgot about that and really mangled the coil pulling out the wick. It was salvageable though. I shouldn't do this stuff at work without my "visual aides".
Vaping with SS430 is actually boring, The coils last seemingly forever and I honestly sometimes make new coils just because I want to, not because I need to.
I have yet to throw one out based on its performance.
I've taken to wicking twice a week just to clean out the tank as well, Even organic cotton wicks really dont go bad for me in 7-10 days....sigh...things are too perfect with TC and SS430....
Eric
I have yet to throw one out based on its performance.
I've taken to wicking twice a week just to clean out the tank as well, Even organic cotton wicks really dont go bad for me in 7-10 days....sigh...things are too perfect with TC and SS430....
Eric
Only concern I have with 430 is how dark it becomes after heating. It looks almost like a rust color, but I don't see anything coming off on my paper towel. I do know it is less corrosion resistant than the nickel grades (304/316). And 430 has a problem with "embrittlement" at temps over 885F (they call it 885 embrittlement). But I don't know how long it needs to be heated for this to occur (the temp matters, but so does the time).
It does vape nice though. I just would like more information on its resilience in our application of vaping.
Me too, though with ti01 and ss304. I usually rewick due to boredom as well, not out of necessity. At this rate I'll have to include my Japanese cotton to my niece and nephew in my will.
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I have had good results 1st time round with both 316 & 430
Have switched to 24awg in everything now though instead of 26awg
Think your be a 24 convert if you try it mate
Easier to capture and easier to build with
Can do contact with SS just dry burn and strum the wraps to work out hot spots
Can anyone comment on other physical characteristics of the various wires? I understand the resistance and TCR differences and a little about varying tempers/hardness or springy-ness and dry-burnability. What I don't know is which ramps/cools the fastest (slowest?), longevity of the finished coil(s) or how each interacts with wicking (if there are any differences). Are there flavor differences? Do coils of the same geometry, wound from different wires, vape the same or is 28g SS304 more comparable to 26g Nife30? Is this an apples-to-apples comparison or do we have to allow for some oranges in the mix? I also think this info would help people who are new to the thread. Am I over-thinking this? Thanks!
Ramp time will depend on A) the kind of metal and B) the size of the wire. Different metals (or alloys) have different resistivities (not to be confused with resistance), so you factor that in along with the diameter and length of the wire. The bigger the wire, the more power you need to heat it. However, if you have two identical sized wires composed of different metals, they will have different resistances, which will mean one wire will heat faster than the other despite them being of equal size. Steam-engine gives you this value -- it's called "heat capacity." The lower the number, the faster the coil. You can mess around with various builds on there and see how some metals will have lower heat capacities than others, despite them being the exact same build.
Longevity of coils is anyone's guess. I don't know if there is any scientific data out there with regard to how long a certain metal (or alloy) can be heated and cooled before it begins "weakening." Most of the spec sheets for metals under high heat lists them as continuous or intermittent, but I think their definition of "intermittent" is not the same as ours.
As for vape quality and taste, that's subjective. I don't taste much difference between any of the wires.
As bigego said, the lower the heat capacity the faster it fires given wire length and wire dia are equal between two different wires. Res however has nothing to do wirh ramp time when comparing wire types other than it has a direct impact on heat capacity.
I also notice no difference in flavor between wire types.
Longivity for some wire types is different than others. SS can become brittle especially when overheated and can snap. Nickel is weak and can be ruined just by rewicking. Ti can be overheated and spall. NiFe? Well NiFe52 just rocks....what can I say...it has the highest tcr other than Ni200 and high res like Ti, both great for tc accuracy and it coils up like kanthal.
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