The lady who caught on fire

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Glen Snyder

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Since I started vaping 15 months ago I have never once heard anyone say not to charge an ecig in a car, or not to use a car charger with an ecig, or not to use a charging cable advertised for use in car to charge an ecig in a car. If the warnings are there they are pretty obscure. I am well aware of warnings about battery charging in general - but never hear about car charging. I mean attended charging.
I do see your point - it is a plug and play world.
But where are the warnings on this to Little Ralphie? That's where your analogy/illustration doesn't quite work as I see it.

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Thanks for the link . My comment - picking up from your analogy. Where are the warnings about attended charging of ecigs in cars? I haven't seen any - so this "Little Ralphie" didn't get a warning to start with - to extend the analogy. And I would say most vapers haven't had that warning either.
Should there be a warning?
Here's just a few of the vendors selling car chargers for ecigs:
Electronic Cigarette USB Car Charger Adapter for 510 eCig, RN4081 eCig, eGo, and DSE901 eCig at Wholesale Electronic Cigarette Prices

Durable Electronic Cigarette Cable Plug USB Mini Car Charger at ECigHomes.com

High Powered Car Adapter - Chargers

ego ecig car charger

Find Electronic Cigarette and Blue E-Cigarettes USB Car Charger > VolcanoEcigs

And tons more who sell them too.
The message to vapers is that its fine. Is it? if not, why not? To put the question explicitly. Maybe that's what we should be examining.
 
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I'll buy the FDA taking away ecigs over .... like this when they show me that no one ever burnt up their car with a lit cigarette... Oh, not gonna happen? Exactly. I wonder how many burn marks her vehicle had before she made the transition to ecigs.

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Directed at Press-Enterprise: "Jennifer and Xavier were going to help Passport 2 Freedom, a non-governmental organization, build a community center for children in the slums of Rio de Janeiro, according to the lawsuit"

And that's relevant why?

All this (the other story too) just provides a window of attack for the "forces" that are hoping to shut this down. BT and BP will use anything to retain their monopoly.

Point is to portray them as decent, honest people who wouldn't make up a story like this.

I'm always cautious about batteries of unknown make and quality contained in a metal tube.
 

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I see you are back to your old argumentive ways, too. It was peaceful here for a while...

Nope - just having a debate. That comment from you was uncalled for - and I have seen lately on the forum others who object to some of your behaviour too. I've seen the recent threads closed that you were arguing in. Look to your own old ways.
You only came in here to stir the pot. Lets keep it civil here thanks.
 
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Thanks for the link . My comment - picking up from your analogy. Where are the warnings about attended charging of ecigs in cars? I haven't seen any - so this "Little Ralphie" didn't get a warning to start with - to extend the analogy. And I would say most vapers haven't had that warning either.
Should there be a warning?
The message to vapers is that its fine. Is it? if not, why not? To put the question explicitly. Maybe that's what we should be examining.
Speaking of battery and charger safety issues, along the same vein are sub ohm coils with rebuildables. These have caught on in popularity like a wildfire in the Southwest. Noobs see these You Tube videos of RBA/sub ohm coils producing nearly inconceivable amounts of vapor from their mods.

Then I see these inexperienced vapors come here in the New Members Forum asking how they can get the BIG VAPOR with a sub ohm coil in their first new RBA. And although it's obvious from the questions being asked that the person has not done any research on their own, "experienced" vapors here on ECF encourage them without any regard to safety issues with sub ohms.

Despite nearly all the website vendors cautioning buyers that RBAs are for advanced users only, do you think for a minute that those warnings generally go un-heeded without questioning why those warnings are there? What could go wrong?

This is where all vapors need to take some responsibility in stepping in to encourage these noobs to do their homework prior to using an RBA. Telling them that it's no big deal and go for it with out some cautionary warnings does an inservice to them and the whole vaping community.

Even PBusardo has recently criticized people for using sub ohms, saying that someone is going to have an unfortunate incident that will make headlines and add cause and ammunition to allow the FDA to make a general ruling against vaping due to exploding batteries or fires. And all because of someone's ignorance or failure to note safety cautions by the vendor.

PBusardo's comments paraphrased, "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should." The commentary in question is 3:30 - 6:00 marks.

 
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I haven't though Myk - I've said a number of times we don't know the cause of the thermal runaway. I don't see the need to blame some-one for using a charger if the charger is advertised for use in the car though. And actually - I don't buy your blame towards me either. If that's where you're at - including using emotive words like "absolve" which suggests some-one must be guilty in the first place to need absolution - then this has strayed too far from common sense.

Very curious how you equate being absolved with guilt when I clearly said responsibility, twice.
"Do you think she's absolved of all responsibility..."
"...absolving her of all responsibility"

So you think having to be responsible makes someone guilty? Interesting.
That could explain why so many people refuse to be responsible now-a-days.

And tons more who sell them too.
The message to vapers is that its fine. Is it? if not, why not? To put the question explicitly. Maybe that's what we should be examining.

Maybe we should be examining why there is a lack of common sense. Every ring I had sold or repaired in my 30 some years as a jeweler has the potential to rip someone's finger off, cut their finger and smash onto their finger. Rings are meant to be worn on fingers. Yet I don't have to go around warning people they could rip their finger off doing something as simple as shutting a door (sometimes I do).
I have never had a single person seemingly set up what they think would be a deep pockets lawsuit trying to blame me for their own stupidity.
So far every exploding ecig story I've seen in the news has seemed like someone was thinking lawsuit and that is the difference between the ecig battery blowups and the cell phone or laptop battery blowups (and ecig blowups) that we don't hear about.

The lady in case 2 is obviously thinking lawsuit. Was she thinking that before or after the fire?
She has some responsibility for buying junk and not researching first. She has a lot of responsibility for not having the common sense to know batteries can explode. Is she the only vaper on the planet who hasn't heard, "Is that thing going to blow your face off?"

Maybe people are quick to assume some responsibility of the people in these stories because the fact that they're looking for a payout makes them look guilty. (And there, I used the word "guilty" for you.)
 

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That's old Baditude and you are reptitive with it - I think you need to get out more.
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I see you are back to your old argumentive ways, too. It was peaceful here for a while...
Nope - just having a debate. That comment from you was uncalled for - and I have seen lately on the forum others who object to some of your behaviour too. I've seen the recent threads closed that you were arguing in. Look to your own old ways.
You only came in here to stir the pot. Lets keep it civil here thanks.
I only posted an image for some comic relief. You are the one who made an uncalled-for comment to me. I've read of no objections to my so-called behavior on the forum, although defending myself in this post may well be called unnecessary by a moderator and "stirring the pot" as you called it. I had been supportive of you since your return, but I now see there's been no change. That's all that I will say on the topic. Have a good evening.

Moderators, I appologize for the distraction. A particular person is going on my ignore list so I can stay out of trouble here.
 
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