Titanium wire, vaping and safety

[LouisLeBeau]

Pedro is just now getting his plans together. He sent me an outline a few days ago and I sent him my comments. I believe he does have a stable sponsor so we should be seeing some interesting things in the coming months. He will be considering Kanthal and Ni200 together with Grade 1 Titanium.

I don't know if my guess on "break-in" is right or not but I do know that the best of the best is always associated with a bit of gunk on a coil. Cause and effect are hard to prove when there are as many variables as we have in vaping and when success is subjective.

Duane

Awesome! I definitely am in love with TC and wish it weren't reliant on new materials in the mix. However, if it comes to be that Kanthal poses far less risk than the newer metal choices, I would reluctantly fall back on the older tech in the interest of greater harm reduction. Let me thank you again for your efforts in this area.

 

[theallboarder]

ive been using the same titanium gr1 dual 24ga setup for almost a week now and it has no buildup, no discoloration, and it tastes better than when i installed it! When i was still learning how to build ti coils i did a test to see how much ti diox i could produce, it made quite a bit, but the more interesting thing was how hot these things can get. at 25 watts it was brighter than my 100 watt lamp next to me!

 

[2legsshrt]

Awesome! I definitely am in love with TC and wish it weren't reliant on new materials in the mix. However, if it comes to be that Kanthal poses far less risk than the newer metal choices, I would reluctantly fall back on the older tech in the interest of greater harm reduction. Let me thank you again for your efforts in this area.

I'm with you on the TC. I couldn't go back to Kanthal. I have an Sclass and I use it in the middle of the night but the flavor is just not comparable to Ti or for Ni for that matter. I talk to people about TC and a lot say it is too much bother but I just don't see it, it is worth it especially if you have some flavors that you really love. Well I have found my flavors which are a PITA to get sort of but well worth it and they don't taste the same with Kanthal. Once you get used to using Ti and TC it's just as easy as wrapping a Kanthal coil and setting the VW. For me I would never go back.

 

[tchavei]

Awesome! I definitely am in love with TC and wish it weren't reliant on new materials in the mix. However, if it comes to be that Kanthal poses far less risk than the newer metal choices, I would reluctantly fall back on the older tech in the interest of greater harm reduction. Let me thank you again for your efforts in this area.

I think it won't be as simple as "kanthal poses far less risk"

Imagine somebody finds out that at 400F, nickel, Ti and SS leach chemicals while kanthal does not.
However, without TC a) you can't assure the kanthal coil won't go above 400F and b) you don't know if scorching wicks and burning eLiquids are safer than leeching chemicals.

Obviously this is only a hypothetical example.

Personally, I'm sticking to pure inert metals like Ti.

Sure resistem or NiFe might have advantages as kanthal like dry burning and all that stuff but I can't see myself vaping alloys ever again.

Call me crazy, call me conservative (although I jumped on Ti when people still said I would die in a matter of weeks), call me stubborn.

Ti all the way

Regards
Tony

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[LouisLeBeau]

It's very difficult being a black & white guy living in a shades of grey world...

 

[2legsshrt]

ive been using the same titanium gr1 dual 24ga setup for almost a week now and it has no buildup, no discoloration, and it tastes better than when i installed it! When i was still learning how to build ti coils i did a test to see how much ti diox i could produce, it made quite a bit, but the more interesting thing was how hot these things can get. at 25 watts it was brighter than my 100 watt lamp next to me!

That is one thing I noticed right away with Unk. It tasted great right from the start. The CW takes a couple of tanks to to taste the best. Since I DIY juice amounts are not that important. The flavors I use only take 2-3% and I only use 3mg of nic very low gunkability. I use 50/50 and buy it already mixed so it is so easy and they are so good as single and double flavors I can make up 500ml in about 30min.

 

[2legsshrt]

I've stocked up on nic just in case plus I ordered lots of flavor to last me. Should be enough to make 7000ml. They'll take my SXM when they pry it from my cold dead hands. And Ti is a big bonus. I was kind of leary till I tried it 2 month ago now I have 150' of nickel 250' of Kanthal collecting dust. The Ti seems pretty safe to me. Thanks all you guys for all the info on it, it is fantastic.

 

[theallboarder]

ive also noticed that after this prolonged used of ti wire, i no longer get headaches/migraines from vaping like i have been for quite some time! hmm maybe i have a nickel allergy.

 

[BigEgo]

Come on USPS. I want my Ti wire today. Of course, i will have to wait until Tuesday. Thank you, Labor Day.

 

[SteveAdams86]

I made some titanium coils yesterday and I found the metal was kind of dirty, like I would run it through my fingers and it left a dark grey line where it has been. Much like drawing with a pencil. Is that normal? I washed my wire in water and with soap and dryed it getting as much as this grey stuff off as I could. It tastes fine vaping it, really nice in fact and its great it doesn't give that under powered feeling that nickel can. Vapor production is as good as kenthel for the same sort of build with kenthel. I'm using it on a rDNA 40 with my temp limit at 190c

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[disley]

The best part of using Ti is how long it lasts.
I have more than one Lemo that a Ti coil has been in since June.
Even the rayon wicks last much longer than cotton.
I've recently started using SS to build coils, I expect that to be a long lasting wire.
The Ti coils I replaced which had been in use for 8 or 10 weeks, still looked good.
Although I don't vape sugary juice, or any heavy gunk producing flavors.

 

[ThunderDan]

I made some titanium coils yesterday and I found the metal was kind of dirty, like I would run it through my fingers and it left a dark grey line where it has been. Much like drawing with a pencil. Is that normal? I washed my wire in water and with soap and dryed it getting as much as this grey stuff off as I could. It tastes fine vaping it, really nice in fact and its great it doesn't give that under powered feeling that nickel can. Vapor production is as good as kenthel for the same sort of build with kenthel. I'm using it on a rDNA 40 with my temp limit at 190c

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Yes, that is normal, which is why many in this thread recommend cleaning the wire before use.

 

[awsum140]

I made some titanium coils yesterday and I found the metal was kind of dirty, like I would run it through my fingers and it left a dark grey line where it has been. Much like drawing with a pencil. Is that normal? I washed my wire in water and with soap and dryed it getting as much as this grey stuff off as I could. It tastes fine vaping it, really nice in fact and its great it doesn't give that under powered feeling that nickel can. Vapor production is as good as kenthel for the same sort of build with kenthel. I'm using it on a rDNA 40 with my temp limit at 190c

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I clean my titanium with isopropyl alcohol on an industrial grade Scotch Brite. Even then, it gets a low temperature burn to make doubly sure the oils are gone. You never want to heat Ti until it glows bright red.

 

[SteveAdams86]

thanks guys, appriciate the answers! This thread is pretty long and puts my mind at rest knowing its normal

 

[jks89]

I think it won't be as simple as "kanthal poses far less risk"

Imagine somebody finds out that at 400F, nickel, Ti and SS leach chemicals while kanthal does not.
However, without TC a) you can't assure the kanthal coil won't go above 400F and b) you don't know if scorching wicks and burning eLiquids are safer than leeching chemicals.

Obviously this is only a hypothetical example.

Personally, I'm sticking to pure inert metals like Ti.

Sure resistem or NiFe might have advantages as kanthal like dry burning and all that stuff but I can't see myself vaping alloys ever again.

Call me crazy, call me conservative (although I jumped on Ti when people still said I would die in a matter of weeks), call me stubborn.

Ti all the way

Regards
Tony

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I'm with you, Tony. Until they figure out a way to ACTUALLY regulate temperature (and assuming the results turn out that some other non-TC wire is best), instead of predicting it based on changes in resistance, I'm sticking with it.

I've stocked up on nic just in case plus I ordered lots of flavor to last me. Should be enough to make 7000ml. They'll take my SXM when they pry it from my cold dead hands. And Ti is a big bonus. I was kind of leary till I tried it 2 month ago now I have 150' of nickel 250' of Kanthal collecting dust. The Ti seems pretty safe to me. Thanks all you guys for all the info on it, it is fantastic.

I've got about 50' of Ni200 that the frugal side of me keeps saying I should use before ordering more Ti, but aside from any potential health impacts or even vape quality, I just always felt like I jacked up the coil too much when wicking. Just not worth the headache.

I made some titanium coils yesterday and I found the metal was kind of dirty, like I would run it through my fingers and it left a dark grey line where it has been. Much like drawing with a pencil. Is that normal? I washed my wire in water and with soap and dryed it getting as much as this grey stuff off as I could. It tastes fine vaping it, really nice in fact and its great it doesn't give that under powered feeling that nickel can. Vapor production is as good as kenthel for the same sort of build with kenthel. I'm using it on a rDNA 40 with my temp limit at 190c

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Just wanted to add that it's EXACTLY like drawing with a pencil, as it's been mentioned that what you're getting off of the wire is graphite.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

SKU numbers 2839500 and 2840500

Thanks for this, just placed my first ever order to fasttech for some wire, 4 spools of 26g. Now the wait ;-)

Maybe temco will get on the bandwagon soon.

Maurice

 

[2legsshrt]

I clean my titanium with isopropyl alcohol on an industrial grade Scotch Brite. Even then, it gets a low temperature burn to make doubly sure the oils are gone. You never want to heat Ti until it glows bright red.

Yeah that is what I do too. I just wipe it with alcohol and once the coil is built and placed I just pulse it at 250F 12J in Ni mode a couple of times till I get the little wisp of smoke and thats it.

 

[ThunderDan]

Just tried the 3f like Titanium I ordered from sweet-vapes.com. I'm convinced it's the same wire, same packaging, and its definitely thinner than 26g as @TheBloke noted. It does indeed vape fine.

Dual 8 wrap 2.5mm ID in my Goliath v2 came out to .22ohm. 35J and 440F on my SXMM with some max vg juice (80vg I think), and its lovely.

 

[Quantum Mech]

Oh wow, that thing looks hardcore

First see this being used by Super_X_Drifter

Expect he gets a touch more tension than I do, thus getting a few 100ths closer to steam engine predictions

Personally I use a Kuro with out the cap and just hand wind/tension

Heres a clip of the Gizmo in action

 

[awsum140]

He needs to drink less coffee before he does that. The torching was painful, frustrating and funny all at the same time.