Titanium wire, vaping and safety

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I've noticed there is a break in time also and it really depends with each build i do. I think your dryish hits are possibly coming from the coil being 2mm id. I had the same issue with my wife's billow v2 nano, I did 2mm id instead of 2.5 id and the wicking couldn't keep up fast enough. It didn't give really dry hits since it was a titanium build in TC obviously but it just got a little cottony towards the last third of the puff. With the ti fused claptons I've been doing dual coils in rdas with 28g core and single coil in rdas with 26g core. I'm interested to see how the cat track coil is going to be but it may be a day or two til that happens. One of our sweetest cats has taken a turn for the worst and it's been difficult around the house so life is on hold for a while. :(

I can't believe how many of us are cat owners here lol. So sorry to here though, one of ours just recovered from surgery a few weeks ago.

About the Ti fused claptons, you don't think 0.07 is too low do you? I mean I'm just using it at 75 watts with 85 preheat and it vapes fine. Do you think the flavor isn't as impressive as I hoped because I'm underpowering it considering its low resistance?


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Does anyone have a link to a tutorial on titanium coil building? None I've seen show the pulsing and I want to make sure I'm doing it right before I vape on it. And Is Spaced or contact the preferred method?
As long as you keep it around 8 to 10 watts and do 1 second pulses maybe a little bit longer and do it til you notice it's glowing from inside out. This could take 10 or so little pulses, and I would do it in a darker area so you can see it glowing very faintly. I use spaced coils only and like I said earlier since I've done so many I rarely pulse because I've only had one hot spot and it was because the coil wasn't spaced properly.

I can't believe how many of us are cat owners here lol. So sorry to here though, one of ours just recovered from surgery a few weeks ago.

About the Ti fused claptons, you don't think 0.07 is too low do you? I mean I'm just using it at 75 watts with 85 preheat and it vapes fine. Do you think the flavor isn't as impressive as I hoped because I'm underpowering it considering its low resistance?

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You very well could be but you should be able to find a sweet spot with that setup. Most of my dual fused claptons come in around .12 or a little more. I have my preheat set to 110 for my Clapton builds and sometimes I notice it hitting around 95watts during the preheat. What do you have your preheat punch set to? I know when I had mine set to 8 or 9 it seemed to mess the flavor up by kind of vaping it to quick. Not sure if that makes sense but as soon as I turned the preheat punch down to 6 or so it tasted more like my ADV. I'm glad your cat did well with surgery that's always a nerve wracking situation. It's always nice when you either you get the phone call saying your pet is ready to be picked up or if your waiting in the waiting room and you see your vet coming over to you with that slight smile on her/his face. It's such a huge wait off your shoulders when either of those things occur. Sometimes though we/they aren't so lucky but that's part of having such amazing pets.
 

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As long as you keep it around 8 to 10 watts and do 1 second pulses maybe a little bit longer and do it til you notice it's glowing from inside out. This could take 10 or so little pulses, and I would do it in a darker area so you can see it glowing very faintly. I use spaced coils only and like I said earlier since I've done so many I rarely pulse because I've only had one hot spot and it was because the coil wasn't spaced properly.



You very well could be but you should be able to find a sweet spot with that setup. Most of my dual fused claptons come in around .12 or a little more. I have my preheat set to 110 for my Clapton builds and sometimes I notice it hitting around 95watts during the preheat. What do you have your preheat punch set to? I know when I had mine set to 8 or 9 it seemed to mess the flavor up by kind of vaping it to quick. Not sure if that makes sense but as soon as I turned the preheat punch down to 6 or so it tasted more like my ADV. I'm glad your cat did well with surgery that's always a nerve wracking situation. It's always nice when you either you get the phone call saying your pet is ready to be picked up or if your waiting in the waiting room and you see your vet coming over to you with that slight smile on her/his face. It's such a huge wait off your shoulders when either of those things occur. Sometimes though we/they aren't so lucky but that's part of having such amazing pets.

I agree. I have my preheat at 3 and 0.5 seconds. The flavor is coming in now. Not bad. Not as good as SS fused claptons though IMO. One thing I do notice with this Ti build though that I never noticed before with any build is that when I vape I see the temp rise over my setting slightly before the protection kicks in. Not sure if that is how it always happens because I never really watched before.


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I agree. I have my preheat at 3 and 0.5 seconds. The flavor is coming in now. Not bad. Not as good as SS fused claptons though IMO. One thing I do notice with this Ti build though that I never noticed before with any build is that when I vape I see the temp rise over my setting slightly before the protection kicks in. Not sure if that is how it always happens because I never really watched before.


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I've noticed that also. I think that is normal because it's just measuring resistance and converting to temp along with some other things. So I think the resistance goes over a spec or two because titanium has a quick ramp up and the mod calculates then realizes it's a little high and hits temp protect. Are you using your SS fused claptons in TC or just power mode? I have a bunch of SS but I love how consistent titanium is for me. I will deffintly throw some SS fused claptons together and see how it compares to my ti builds.
 
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Does anyone have a link to a tutorial on titanium coil building? None I've seen show the pulsing and I want to make sure I'm doing it right before I vape on it. And Is Spaced or contact the preferred method?
I'll give you a good start use 26awg wrap a 5 wrap 3mm spaced coil will come out between .26and.29ohms depending on the wire. Don't know what you are using to vape with but if SX latest FW Ti01mode if others that have NI200 mode run about 100F low or a little more. I liked 290F. Not fancy but works really well. That's all I use and I'm very happy with it. No learning.
 

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Please, can somebody confirm does Sweet Spot vapors titanium wire works on IPV D2 or Evic-VCT mini?
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My brother has a D2 and vapes both Grade 1 and Grade 2 Ti at around 450°f. He says the D2 pulses as it tries to maintain set temperature but that can be minimized to some extent by setting the joules only high enough to barely reach temp protect while vaping. So both types of Ti work on the D2.
 

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My brother has a D2 and vapes both Grade 1 and Grade 2 Ti at around 450°f. He says the D2 pulses as it tries to maintain set temperature but that can be minimized to some extent by setting the joules only high enough to barely reach temp protect while vaping. So both types of Ti work on the D2.
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Maybe I'm missing something here, but -

Grade 1 titanium is 99.5% pure or better. It's titanium, plain and simple. Titanium has a well established coefficient of temperature. Grade 2 titanium is also 99.5% pure or better and has the same coefficient of temperature as Grade 1. Grade 2 is processed differently and has different physical characteristics. So if a wire needs a specific coefficient of temperature that is different than Grade 1 or Grade 2 titanium it would seem to indicate that specific wire is not 99.5%, or better, pure titanium and contains other, unknown, components.

Personally, I'll stick to known sources of Grade 1 titanium wire that match the known coefficient of temperature.
 
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Maybe I'm missing something here, but -

Grade 1 titanium is 99.5% pure or better. It's titanium, plain and simple. Titanium has a well established coefficient of temperature. Grade 2 titanium is also 99.5% pure or better and has the same coefficient of temperature as Grade 1. Grade 2 is processed differently and has different physical characteristics. So if a wire needs a specific coefficient of temperature that is different than Grade 1 or Grade 2 titanium it would seem to indicate that specific wire is not 99.5%, or better, pure titanium and contains other, unknown, components.

Personally, I'll stick to known sources of Grade 1 titanium wire that match the known coefficient of temperature.
I don't know. I don't believe anybody anymore when it comes to wire or e-juice and what's inside or what was made of. To many times has been lie to us by vaping industry.
Only sweet spot vapors sell totally clean and shiny wire and they admit its not grade 1 ,but rather grade 2 (also medical grade). while other just stating their wire is grade 1 , but when I am asking for prove, nobody cant provide it. just simple data sheet from factory with some stamp. you know, same thing that "pink mule" provided for their VG that it is farmac. grade. Now, I know you can check does resistance match, but then again when I see that matt wire it seems to me like its not been made good, like its material bonds has already burned out. You know same thing when you have rusty iron and then you apply on it abrasive blasting. Yes you have new surface for painting, but that iron is already old and its strength is not same as day one.
 
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Maybe I'm missing something here, but -

Grade 1 titanium is 99.5% pure or better. It's titanium, plain and simple. Titanium has a well established coefficient of temperature. Grade 2 titanium is also 99.5% pure or better and has the same coefficient of temperature as Grade 1. Grade 2 is processed differently and has different physical characteristics. So if a wire needs a specific coefficient of temperature that is different than Grade 1 or Grade 2 titanium it would seem to indicate that specific wire is not 99.5%, or better, pure titanium and contains other, unknown, components.

Personally, I'll stick to known sources of Grade 1 titanium wire that match the known coefficient of temperature.
Grade 2 titanium doesn't have the same tcr as grade 1 titanium though.

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I don't know. I don't believe anybody anymore when it comes to wire or e-juice and what's inside or what was made of. To many times has been lie to us by vaping industry.
Only sweet spot vapors sell totally clean and shiny wire and they admit its not grade 1 ,but rather grade 2 (also medical grade). while other just stating their wire is grade 1 , but when I am asking for prove, nobody cant provide it. just simple data sheet from factory with some stamp. you know, same thing that "pink mule" provided for their VG that it is farmac. grade. Now, I know you can check does resistance match, but then again when I see that matt wire it seems to me like its not been made good, like its material bonds has already burned out.
What proof does SS provide of its wire that's better or more reliable than other sellers? The claims SS make have been shown to be pure BS by people on this forum who are experts in metallurgy, so they've already proven themselves to be unreliable. Generally, wire isn't produced "specifically for vaping" and there's no reason to lie about the grade. Grade 1 and 2 are simply for different uses, neither is in and by itself "better" than the other.

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If Grade 2 has a different TCR than Grade 1 I'd like to know how. They are both the same material, just slightly different processing. The material conducts, not the processing, so the TCR of the material is what would seem to count. I'm not trying to be contentious, just trying to understand what/how there can/could be a difference in the TCR of the same material at the same purity level.
 
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If Grade 2 has a different TCR than Grade 1 I'd like to know how. They are both the same material, just slightly different processing. The material conducts, not the processing, so the TCR of the material is what would seem to count. I'm not trying to be contentious, just trying to understand what/how there can/could be a difference in the TCR of the same material at the same purity level.
It is the different amounts of trace elements that make the difference. None are pure titanium. Grade 1 is purer than Grade 2. Those trace elements make a HUGE difference in conductivity and TCR. Adding small amounts of different metals is the secret of metallurgy. It is how they make all the different types of stainless steel.
 

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I understand the addition of other elements to change the properties of a base material. My understanding is that chemically Grade 1 and Grade 2 are the same thing. Certainly trace elements can vary depending on where it was mined and how it was refined, but we're talking minute amounts. From what I have read, internet research admittedly, Grade 2 is simply tempered Grade 1.
 

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I understand the addition of other elements to change the properties of a base material. My understanding is that chemically Grade 1 and Grade 2 are the same thing. Certainly trace elements can vary depending on where it was mined and how it was refined, but we're talking minute amounts. From what I have read, internet research admittedly, Grade 2 is simply tempered Grade 1.
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Grade 1 and Grade 2 Titanium are NOT the same thing. I am not going to repeat the technical facts again. I have done it many times on ECF and enough is enough. Check previous ECF and read the relevant posts. Most specifically the distinctive factor that differentiates between these materials is NOT the processing. The relevant differences are in the chemistry.

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I understand the addition of other elements to change the properties of a base material. My understanding is that chemically Grade 1 and Grade 2 are the same thing. Certainly trace elements can vary depending on where it was mined and how it was refined, but we're talking minute amounts. From what I have read, internet research admittedly, Grade 2 is simply tempered Grade 1.

I'm not sure what your definition of "chemically" is but the fact that the metallic structure contains various trace amounts doesn't make them "chemically the same thing".
 
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Forget I brought up the whole thing. Use the magical wires from wherever they come from containing whatever they contain. As I said, I'll continue to use titanium, Grade 1, from known good sources.
What proof does SS provide of its wire that's better or more reliable than other sellers? The claims SS make have been shown to be pure BS by people on this forum who are experts in metallurgy, so they've already proven themselves to be unreliable. Generally, wire isn't produced "specifically for vaping" and there's no reason to lie about the grade. Grade 1 and 2 are simply for different uses, neither is in and by itself "better" than the other.

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I dont know what prof SS have, because i didn't ask them. They dont state its famous Ti Gr1, so they dont have anything to prove to me.
For me if they took effort to clean it(like they did) and make csv file, i think they have right to call it "vape wire".
 
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