Titanium wire, vaping and safety

[TheBloke]

OK so they still had to fall into the standard mod maker trap of "If thou uses the number of buttons you actually need, thou shall BURN IN HELL"

Seriously it drives me batty. No mod will have more than three buttons - fire/up/down. Even when they have 10 functions like modern dna 40(clones) and Yihis. Some mods won't even have three - latest joyetech, with one button and a knob. This one, with only one button - despite perhaps the most complex menu of any mod ever?

It's so annoying!

Anyway I'm not taking away from this 2380 which is clearly fabulous. I just do not understand this obsession with not putting on enough buttons such that the user has to play Twister to interact with all the features.

 

[TheBloke]

PS. Tungsten wire for TC? Are we missing out yet another wire that might be great or might kill us?

 

[dems86]

OK so they still had to fall into the standard mod maker trap of "If thou uses the number of buttons you actually need, thou shall BURN IN HELL"

Seriously it drives me batty. No mod will have more than three buttons - fire/up/down. Even when they have 10 functions like modern DNA 40(clones) and Yihis. Some mods won't even have three - latest Joyetech, with one button and a knob. This one, with only one button - despite perhaps the most complex menu of any mod ever?

It's so annoying!

Anyway I'm not taking away from this 2380 which is clearly fabulous. I just do not understand this obsession with not putting on enough buttons such that the user has to play Twister to interact with all the features.

Trust me, it's not twister. In fact, I much prefer the single button, it's ridiculously simple/easy too fly through the settings. Not to mention, on a tube, those extra buttons get in the way

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[TheBloke]

I very much remain to be convinced They could fit two extra, little buttons on there surely.

So you hold the button to fire. Tap it to go up watts? Double tap it to go down? Five times quickly for menu? But then that gets in the way of quickly changing watts. So maybe adjusting watts is only via menu?

Based on the manual I believe you when you say it's very well designed - if any mod company can make one button satisfactory, this one can. I'm just pretty far from believing one button could ever be totally satisfactory.

But you've used it (or something similar) and I haven't I will watch a video sometime - if I can bear seeing it and not getting it

 

[TheBloke]

Of course I know what will happen if I do buy it - two weeks later they'll announce a chunky box mod I really need to contact them and ask that before I even think about splashing out that much money on a tube. It's such a stupid form factor, I don't get it I don't want a mod that can't be stood up without a huge risk of it falling over. And lying the mod down all the time is just not practical with some attys - not to mention risking it rolling away. Not to mention it looking daft with any bigger sized atty on there (and more than a little phallic )

Give me a box mod, Diocedes! I will sell anything, soul included, for this chip in a box mod with at least three buttons.

(Sorry I know you just bought the thing, I shouldn't be putting it down so much. But hopefully you disagree entirely enough just to ignore all my complaints completely )

 

[dems86]

Once you use the single button, you'll like it. I personally wouldn't want those two extra buttons on the tube, possibly getting in the way of how I want to hold it.

Also, I highly doubt they will come out with a box mod. They've only done tubes, and they do tubes the best too.

I mean I guess technically "anything can happen", but I highly doubt it.

Personally, I wouldn't want them to make a box. I love the fact that at least one company still makes bad a** reg tubes, as a regulated tube just does it for me, and I wouldn't want them to shift their attention away from that. It appears there are a ton of people in the EU who still love reg tubes too (they don't even sell them over here, it took me a couple weeks to find a couple vendors that had the Telegonos in stock, don't charge US residents VAT, and most importantly, actually ship to the US).

Pipeline has their own few versions of the Dicodes, and their new Pipeline Pro 2 is based off the Extreme 2. They don't ship to the US at all, especially so with their Pipeline/Dicodes tubes for "insurance reasons" lol

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[soulseek]

Yeah really don't get this obsession with box mods. They're ugly, large and uncomfortable to use.

 

[tchavei]

Yeah really don't get this obsession with box mods. They're ugly, large and uncomfortable to use.

Actually I moved away from tube mods exactly because they were large, uncomfortable to use and it always seemed I was sucking on a *ildo lol

I only use matchbox sized box mods though (72mm high)

Evic supreme vs my hacked mini FT hana dna 40:

Hmm... Let me think... Hmm... Definitely a box mod for me


Regards
Tony

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[ndb70]

Wow that is interesting!

Yes it's definitely saying that a spring loaded 510 is preferable. Which should mean that most mods are covered, because most mods have a spring loaded 510. However, most attys do not have a spring loaded 510 (very very few do, in fact? Kayfun 4, can't think of many others).

So do they mean one spring is enough, or both mod and atty should have one?

Now this second part, about a gap - I think they're saying that it's better that your atty is not flush with the mod - you know how some attys, especially on mods without spring loaded 510, stick up a little out of the 510? There is a clear gap visible under the atty, between atty and mod. I think they're saying that is good?

And I guess what they're talking about is the temperature causing thermal expansion on the metal in the contact path. The mod heats up, the atty heats up (a lot more), and so the metal connections also heat up - this perhaps causes the connection that was solid at the start of firing to become less solid. So they say a spring is better, because it probably soaks up some of that expansion in the metals? And a gap is similarly good, because it limits the amount of thermal transfer between atty and mod?

I'm just guessing at a lot of this, but my above assumptions seem consistent with the advice they give.

Wow I need to read more about this and ask them some questions - very interesting! Thanks so much @ndb70 for highlighting this.

It also makes me think that these Dioces guys are good resources for TC info - I mean, when have we ever heard Evolv or Yihi giving such info? Frankly, when have Evolv or Yihi given any such info? Evolv basically spoke through pbusardo, in very general/vague terms. Yihi are in a sense worse, needlessly obfuscating matters with meaningless 'Joules' and giving little to no other info.

But these Dioces guys seem to be sharing real, practical knowledge and advice - at least on the basis of this one PDF!

Thanks Bloke,
after reading yours and @awsum140 posts and thinking about it, it finally makes sense: my final interpretation is they suggest you'd better have either
A) something in the path that can "absorb" and compensate for weakening of connection between the mod and the atty (i.e. spring loading somewhere)
OR
B) if everything is fixed, than better see a gap btw a fully screwed-in atty and the mod, which implies the center pins are firmly touching.

I agree that, albeit a bit simplified and impaired by translation, information I found there is the most on the spot and relevant to the topic I've been able to find to complement my personal experience in the last 6 months since the first experiments with TC.
Kudos to dicodes for that

 

[dems86]

Different stroke for different folks.

I like a nice, small box, sure. The larger ones are meh though.

There is just something about a really nice regulated tube that does it for me though.

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[soulseek]

Actually I moved away from tube mods exactly because they were large, uncomfortable to use and it always seemed I was sucking on a *ildo lol

I only use matchbox sized box mods though (72mm high)

Evic supreme vs my hacked mini FT hana dna 40:

Hmm... Let me think... Hmm... Definitely a box mod for me


Regards
Tony

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You're comparing one of the largest tube mods out there to a fairly small size box mod and it's still not that smaller in volume compared to that big ... tube mod. Also the majority of box mods are not ergonomic. But maybe I'm wrong. Pick any sort of hand held weapon dating back thousands of years (spears, swords, police batons), hand held tools (screwdrivers, crowbars) etc. They're all tubes (at least at their base) by a accident, they should have come in box sizes

 

[tchavei]

You're comparing one of the largest tube mods out there to a fairly small size box mod and it's still not that smaller in volume compared to that big *** tube mod. Also the majority of box mods are not ergonomic. But maybe I'm wrong. Pick any sort of hand held weapon dating back thousands of years (spears, swords, police batons), hand held tools (screwdrivers, crowbars) etc. They're all tubes (at least at their base) by a accident, they should have come in box sizes

Actually I'm comparing two 18650 devices. One being 30w and the other 40w

However, you're right. It's not fair comparing those two. What matters to me is that I can have a temp regulated 18650 device hidden in the palm of my hand. I certainly would prefer it being round than square but do you know Any tube style temp control mod powered by a 18650 battery that is under, say... 100mm? That's the absolute maximum I would carry around and I would prefer it over my 72mm high box.

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Tony

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[soulseek]

Actually I'm comparing two 18650 devices. One being 30w and the other 40w

However, you're right. It's not fair comparing those two. What matters to me is that I can have a temp regulated 18650 device hidden in the palm of my hand. I certainly would prefer it being round than square but do you know Any tube style temp control mod powered by a 18650 battery that is under, say... 100mm? That's the absolute maximum I would carry around and I would prefer it over my 72mm high box.

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Tony

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I hope you didn't take it the wrong way. All I was saying is I don't understand why such a large group of people are in favour of box mods. I certainly understand the appeal to some people but I would have expected the majority to skew towards tube mods. Although, looking at the length of some of those early tube mods I guess explain the situation. Those Dicodes temperature mods are ~110 mm which is reasonable for a 18650 device with a screen for me.
When, eventually Imeos device will be released you'll get an even shorter one but it's hard to go below 100mm for 18650 considering that you need to fit the electronic part in there. Don't forget that the early TC mods took up the equivalent space of an 18650 for the chip + display.

 

[druckle]

I hope you didn't take it the wrong way. All I was saying is I don't understand why such a large group of people are in favour of box mods. I certainly understand the appeal to some people but I would have expected the majority to skew towards tube mods. Although, looking at the length of some of those early tube mods I guess explain the situation. Those Dicodes temperature mods are ~110 mm which is reasonable for a 18650 device with a screen for me.
When, eventually Imeos device will be released you'll get an even shorter one but it's hard to go below 100mm for 18650 considering that you need to fit the electronic part in there. Don't forget that the early TC mods took up the equivalent space of an 18650 for the chip + display.

I used to think tube mods were the only way to go when I first began vaping. After finding how often they fell over and either ruined them selves or an atomizer and how difficult they were to carry in a pocket I gave in and tried my first box mod. Now I have a BOX full of unused tube mods I'm trying to give away. It's all about stability and convenience to me. Boxes are just more stable and more compact.

 

[tchavei]

I hope you didn't take it the wrong way. All I was saying is I don't understand why such a large group of people are in favour of box mods. I certainly understand the appeal to some people but I would have expected the majority to skew towards tube mods. Although, looking at the length of some of those early tube mods I guess explain the situation. Those Dicodes temperature mods are ~110 mm which is reasonable for a 18650 device with a screen for me.
When, eventually Imeos device will be released you'll get an even shorter one but it's hard to go below 100mm for 18650 considering that you need to fit the electronic part in there. Don't forget that the early TC mods took up the equivalent space of an 18650 for the chip + display.

110mm, really? That's short for a tube mod. I wonder why they don't post pics of those tubes in somebody's hand?

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Tony

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[dems86]

110mm, really? That's short for a tube mod. I wonder why they don't post pics of those tubes in somebody's hand?

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Tony

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I'll post pics of the 2380 in all modes in my hand

It's out for delivery right now...eeeep, so excited!!!

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[PaulBHC]

I used to think tube mods were the only way to go when I first began vaping. After finding how often they fell over and either ruined them selves or an atomizer and how difficult they were to carry in a pocket I gave in and tried my first box mod. Now I have a BOX full of unused tube mods I'm trying to give away. It's all about stability and convenience to me. Boxes are just more stable and more compact.

If I was closer I would come and take a look. Shouldn't be hard to give away stuff though.

 

[sando7]

them tube mods, they roll....they fall....they still vape

 

[awsum140]

To me, the perfect form factor is a VTR style box. The tank down low and supported by a ring. Fits in a pocket, comfortably. Tubes are fine, but not very pocket friendly, stable or portable like a box. The current crop of boxes all leave the tank sticking up like an add-on, waiting to get snapped off.

 

[soulseek]

I used to think tube mods were the only way to go when I first began vaping. After finding how often they fell over and either ruined them selves or an atomizer and how difficult they were to carry in a pocket I gave in and tried my first box mod. Now I have a BOX full of unused tube mods I'm trying to give away. It's all about stability and convenience to me. Boxes are just more stable and more compact.

You can't generalise and put everything into one category like that. I'll give you an example, I've used many box mods but I've only ever owned one; the one I'm using right now, a Cloupor mini. It's an ok device for what I paid for it. However, it comes nowhere near the quality of any tube mod I've owned and that's probably because I've mostly owned GG tube mods. The Cloupor feels cheap in my hand and the 1 or 2 times I've dropped it it has dents, scuff marks and a battery lid that's unstable to say the least.

On the other hand, the tube mods I've owned, I've used them all for way longer and treated them way worse. Never once have I have any problem with any of them and trust me I've dropped them countless times and done numerous things to them. I even dropped one in the street, came back hours later. It was stepped over by cars, busses... the only thing it had was small dent (brass mod), still worked like a champ.