To all my ecf brothers and sisters.....please read.
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My wife's pulmonologist endorses vaping for his patients. In fact a trip to him is what got us vaping.
Wait a sec. Starbucks has banned vaping in their stores??? In Virginia e-cigs do not fall under the no smoking laws as stated by our current AG (which could change I know)... However, when a company makes a blanket blind statement like this, they can kiss my you know what. Starbucks coffee sucks anyways. Burnt and nasty tasting.
No one is advocating sitting next to others in a resturant with close tables and vaping large amounts of vapor in someone's face. Common sense and courtesy are part of being respectful. Blinding only vaping with smokers is also not the answer.
My sister is a nurse in a major hospital. They PROVIDE ecigs to smokers who are staying there. That speaks volumes to me. Starbucks has nasty coffee anyway, imo. Already boycotting them for bad taste, lol.
And if someone had not been bold enough (I would bet) to advocate vaping to your doctor, he probably would not have known to research it and then mention it to you.
There is more than one way to look at it. It seems like these days, if you want to gain rights you didn't have before or protect rights you think you already have, doing whatever you want wherever you want, organizing protests, hiring lawyers, having parades, challenging property owners, and getting on the news are the ways to further your agenda. It looks like small groups with common causes accomplish a lot when they work against the grain. Environmentalists, minority groups, etc etc etc often end up getting what they want by acting just the opposite of how you suggest vapers should act.
Good points. You would hope that common sense would prevail without needing to actively advocate for your rights. That is not the reality today. It's naive at best to think by doing nothing vaping will be accepted across the country.
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That's amazing and it would be great if every hospital starting doing this! Chances are many patients would chose to continue vaping and quit smoking when they were discharged. Just imagine all the lives this could potentially save.
I took up vaping strictly for one reason. To give up smoking cigarettes and PVs have done the job very well. That being said, I don't vape anywhere I wouldn't smoke a cigarette. I wouldn't smoke in a resturant and I wouldn't vape there either. I've never had to ask anyone if it was OK to vape as I wouldn't attempt it if it was even mildly questionable. As I was forced to develop a modicum of self control as various laws banning smoking have been passed over the years, I just carry that over to my vaping habits. I have no urge to be evangelical about the issue. As far as I am concerned it is still a smoking habit and I've chosen years ago not to expose any one else to my smoking habit. Sticking something in my mouth and exhaling a cloud of smoke or vapor is distasteful to many individuals. To those people, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and produces clouds of vapor, then it's a duck and no amount of evidence to the contrary will convince them otherwise. Especially in a commercial business establishment where their revenue depends on customer participation and satisfaction. I respect those who wish to further the cause of general acceptance by the public and businesses concerning e-cigs but that particular route is just not my calling. If e-cigs ever become widely acceptable in resturants, I still wouldn't fire one up while a patron. I wouldn't care if someone next to me did and I would also understand if the person next to him complained.
I look at these issues this way. I vote for corporations with my wallet. Its the only control we have over the rampant multinational corporatism that has taken over everywhere and its only effective if we work together on it.
Whether Starbucks lets me vape or not, I don't really care one way or another. However, if the vaping community decides to boycott it, then I am on board.
On a personal note, on this issue, I have over 150k miles on Cathay Pacific over the past 2 years so, if my airline lets me vape or not, I do care - a lot. I will not ever use an airline that outright bans vaping and, yes, I will use (and vote with my money for) one that allows vaping. I have to admit, I started asking around among my friends about ecigs after watching plumes of smoke emanate from the cubical next to me on a flight. Cathay is good on this issue, but if that changes they will loose all my business to whichever airline does allow it. If I run into any "deal breakers" like that which ban vaping I would let them know that they lost my business because of it. Even better if its a business that is significant.
This is assuming that no one ever discovers that 2nd hand vaping can cause harm to others. If there is solid evidence of that, well then I would be fine with being restricted like cigarettes.
Whether Starbucks lets me vape or not, I don't really care one way or another. However, if the vaping community decides to boycott it, then I am on board.
On a personal note, on this issue, I have over 150k miles on Cathay Pacific over the past 2 years so, if my airline lets me vape or not, I do care - a lot. I will not ever use an airline that outright bans vaping and, yes, I will use (and vote with my money for) one that allows vaping. I have to admit, I started asking around among my friends about ecigs after watching plumes of smoke emanate from the cubical next to me on a flight. Cathay is good on this issue, but if that changes they will loose all my business to whichever airline does allow it. If I run into any "deal breakers" like that which ban vaping I would let them know that they lost my business because of it. Even better if its a business that is significant.
This is assuming that no one ever discovers that 2nd hand vaping can cause harm to others. If there is solid evidence of that, well then I would be fine with being restricted like cigarettes.
And what message does it send to vape in an establishment that does not allow it? Acceptance?
No one is stating that we all should go to resturants, etc and just blindly vape. Common sense and respect need to be part of the equation.
But back in late '09 and 2010, if we all would have followed your example, vaping would have been banned everywhere across the country and since it apprears you only started vaping this year, you would more than likely still be smoking right now. You would be fine with a nationwide ban?
Well, the ones they have are the extremely low end type, so people aren't liking them much. However, now her and some of the other RNs tell them that they are low end and there are way better ecigs & ECF. She's so pleased I quit smoking after 30+ years, she likes to tell them my story. Hopefully that will stick in their minds and we'll see them here!
Not in this thread. but read this forum and you see plenty of folks taking a confrontational stance. Blindly antagonizing people isn't a good solution either. A calm measured response is likely to produce better results in the long run.
As you know already smoking is not a protected right, nor is vaping. So in the end being antagonistic is likely to close more doors than it opens because of property owner and business owner rights. The customer may always be right but the business owner is the one in the right by law.
Indeed. And I'm willing to bet it wasn't someone that got in his face about it. Medical professionals generally don't respond well to that
I'm not a person that vapes in the smoking section- I vape in the non smoking section of restaurants that allow it. If it bothers people I stop (common courtesy rule, plus it is not like I'm going to die, I can always vape on my way to the car). In the rare case that they disallow it I leave my business card and try to schedule a meeting with the owner (not the manager). Of course sometimes you have to settle for a manager but it always helps to go straight to the top.
I vape at the Casino in the non smoking section and I vape pretty much wherever I go. But I do not vape where the proprietor or local law has prohibited it.
But that is the great thing about the forum, we can agree to disagree.
I may have misinterpreted your stance based on earlier posts in this thread. I agree wholeheartedly with your statement that I bolded in the quote. Perhaps we are just using different words to describe the same idea
for me i dont force my views on anyone,and i dont want theres forced on me
but there comes a point when we as individuals have got to say stop no more,
i mean whats next a ban on beef ? or do we make it ilegal to grow your own
garden cause some one doesnt like seeing the vibrant colors
but there comes a point when we as individuals have got to say stop no more,
i mean whats next a ban on beef ? or do we make it ilegal to grow your own
garden cause some one doesnt like seeing the vibrant colors
I sometimes vape like crazy in stores, restaurants, etc. and I still have not had one complaint from anyone. I only get a few people who ask if they helped me quit anologs and how they taste and work.
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