To all my ecf brothers and sisters.....please read.

[mwa102464]

If one was to vape a cart that dry, that taste would be horrible. I dont think many people would do that.

I agree, I was more thinking on the lines of someone putting a mod in the console of there car and the button touching the on position and they got out of the car and the ecig stayed on, thus the heat would be to much and ignite the cartridge.

 

[WAC_Vet]

Since, without a doubt, high enough heat is generated to actually burn fiber / filler, I call that ignition .. I've taken apart cartos that tasted bad and seen burnt spots ..

You are assuming a cart or cartomizer is being used, and even then, the "burning" is that of the material, not the liquid. I have Leo tanks, if there was any actual "burning", the plastic of the tank would melt.

There is no combustion, no burning, unless the heating element (or switch) is defective, the material was allowed to dry out, or there was a dry spot by the coil. I have taken apart many cartomizers, and have also seen the burnt parts.... they are ALWAYS at the coil where it meets the filler material. The coil is what produces the resistance, heat. I have seen some cartomizers that appeared to be full, but when I took it apart, the actual wick was somewhat dry. I figure that it has not been given enough time for the juice to reach the wick before being used. The packing of the material plays a major part in how well the wicking action works.

Vaping is NOT smoking. I should NOT have to be lumped together with smokers, nor should I have to be subjected to second-hand smoke. I should not be forced to stand outside in the cold, nor the heat, because of the ignorance concerning personal vaporizers, as those conditions adversely affects my health. I vape in the VA hospital. I vaped at Missouri State Police Headquarters. I vape at the bank, and any place that I must be for an extended period of time. I am a nicotine addict. I readily admit it. I do not blow vapor at people, nor do I blow plumes of vapor for all to see. I also do not stealth vape, unless there are people right next to me, and that's just a matter courtesy.

 

[ThreePutt]

I liken it to the potpourri metal rings that fit over the light bulbs. You pour a couple of drops of scented oil, and the heat vaporizes the oil. Ignition or flammability may not be the best description of ejuice characteristics. If I were a lawyer, I would have a field day with the definitions - regardless of which side I chose.

From a recognition standpoint, I guess I'm sitting on the fence. I certainly don't want it banned, and would like to see it promoted as a smoking alternative. Those that oppose it, whether it be individuals, businesses, or the workplace are going to continue to oppose it. The opposition will stand strong, whether the topic is smoking, religion, political party, etc. But, is it our mission to go out and proclaim "THIS IS NOT SMOKING, and I'm going to do it wherever and whenever!" ? Is discretion warranted? Is it a problem to be discreet?

Sometimes they say the squeaky wheel gets the grease, but a lot of folks I know hate that damn squeaky wheel.

 

[Adrena]

Vegetable glycerin – boiling point 290° C 554°F
Vegetable glycerin – ignition temperature near 572F
Propylene glycol – boiling point 188°C 370°F
Propylene glycol – ignition temperature near 800F

As a matter of safety, the maximum internal temperature of the atomizer is 250° celcius.
The atomizer will reach a maximum temperature of 250°C or 482°F:

There is no fire burning in electronic cigs!
Vaporization is the transition of matter from a solid or liquid phase into a gaseous (or vapor) phase. Water boiling into steam is an example of vaporization.

Again I say "We will not teach ppl in our own ignorance."
Just amazing what a little Goggling can do. Enough bumping already.

 

[Thank You]

2 words - double standards.

 

[wv2win]

It is trivial (vaping) .. anyone that believes it's a major issue in this Country has no concept of what a major issue is ....

I don't believe that saving my and other vaper's lives is trivial. Without vaping, which could be taken away as it almost was, many if not most would continue to smoke.

ASH, ALA, AHA and the Big Pharm companies love people like you. They are counting on people like you to be able to restrict and eventually ban vaping. You make it very easy for them.

 

[wv2win]

Really, Uncle Willie...? Honestly? Are you playing devil's advocate here? Where there is no fire, there is no smoke.

It does not appear that he is interested in logic or physics or facts.

 

[VapingRulz]

I just ran a search for "burnt cartomizer" and "burnt atty" .. I don't feel the need to continue to elaborate .. the wealth of other posters are doing a fine job making my case ..

I guess I'd better call the Fire Department because my coffee maker just spit out a cloud of vapor...

 

[WAC_Vet]

I liken it to the potpourri metal rings that fit over the light bulbs. You pour a couple of drops of scented oil, and the heat vaporizes the oil.

I'm a walking potpourrizer!

 

[Uncle Willie]

I don't believe that saving my and other vaper's lives is trivial. Without vaping, which could be taken away as it almost was, many if not most would continue to smoke.

ASH, ALA, AHA and the Big Pharm companies love people like you. They are counting on people like you to be able to restrict and eventually ban vaping. You make it very easy for them.

Smoking in any form is a personal choice, it is not required activity so the holier than thou schtick holds no water .. .. smokers have had the health issues in front of them for many many years and many choose to start and continue .. we, on the other hand, have a few years of the tech and many so-called advocates proclaiming how great it is on so many levels ..

I admit I'm an addict, I am not against the e-cig (I'm sitting here with one next to me) .. however, I prefer to live in reality, not fantasy ..

As far as logic and physics .. I've yet to read any counterpoint to the burnt atty / carto that is actually logical or holds to the laws of physics .. heat vaporizes e-liquid .. logic would say that's why it's called "vaping" .. physical burned spots and literally hundreds of threads discussing the "burnt" issue speak to the physics ..

To state otherwise is called "denial" ..

 

[Uncle Willie]

There is no combustion, no burning, unless the heating element (or switch) is defective, the material was allowed to dry out, or there was a dry spot by the coil.

Thank you for helping support my thinking ..

 

[Uncle Willie]

Would it not be that, a heating element touches a material and when such material is wet and gets hot enough that it creates a vapor, if such material is not kept wet enough said material could an in fact does burn by the heating element igniting that material.

And thank you ..

 

[Uncle Willie]

The crackling you hear is the rapid conversion of the liquid to vapor (steam), just like the crackling you hear from a fireplace. The burnt taste you get from a carto is the filler being scorched. This is not the ignition of the ejuice. This is why ecigs can rightfully be banned from areas with explosion hazards.

At the most you are igniting/or combusting the filler material in a carto by improper usage of your device. These little point DO matter when the courts get involved. Technicalities are everything in the legal system.

This is exactly my point ..

 

[stillalive]

I don't vape in enclosed areas or around food simply because I wouldn't spray perfume or the like in those areas. I have no qualms about vaping in a non-smoking area where I won't be bothering anyone. I just think it's polite. I would be miffed if someone sprayed perfume in an elevator, airplane, or restaurant! However, walking around a mall maybe not so much.

 

[WAC_Vet]

Thank you for helping support my thinking ..

I support your contention that the material in a cartomizer, under certain conditions, can be heated up enough to produce a scorched spot, no doubt, but there are many who do not use carts, or cartomizers, but rather tank systems, or "bottom feeders" without any material that can be scorched. The liquid is heated to the point of vaporization, not ignition.

 

[ricks]

I agree, I was more thinking on the lines of someone putting a mod in the console of there car and the button touching the on position and they got out of the car and the ecig stayed on, thus the heat would be to much and ignite the cartridge.

The battery would short out before any threat of fire.

 

[mohawkx]

No one is stating that we all should go to resturants, etc and just blindly vape. Common sense and respect need to be part of the equation.

But back in late '09 and 2010, if we all would have followed your example, vaping would have been banned everywhere across the country and since it apprears you only started vaping this year, you would more than likely still be smoking right now. You would be fine with a nationwide ban?

No. I wouldn't be fine with a nationwide ban. Whatever in any of my posts gave you that idea?

 

[Katya]

Oh, they burn alright. They've been burning from the beginning--no end in sight. And if you don't believe me...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...us-510-kr808-4081-etc-filler-type-cartos.html

March 4, 2009

June 15, 2011

June 18, 2011

[Thank you, Udave, Emus and Roadrash]

 

[ricks]

Sure, constant heating of soft material will make burn marks. But still no ignition or fire going on here. Just alot of heating of soft material.

 

[Uncle Willie]

That's not a burn mark, it's a hole burned thru ..