Too Many Jan Join Dates Asking About Sub Ohm

[CBone8408]

I saw this thread before I went to work last night and read a post or two. Come back and I'm through page 14 with still more to go. I'm new to the forum but have been vaping for over a year on and off. I would actually like to kick my analog habit and that was the main reason why I started vaping in the beginning. I started with an eGo starter kit (650 mAh battery and stardust clearo) and it was not the same. I went back to the B&M's to try to make it better, only suggestion was to buy a VV/VW. I finally got an MVP2 2 months ago and I love it, but it still isn't doing it for me. I have tried Kranger PT II, they leak like crazy but I saw where I could rebuild them so maybe it could bring my cost down. Seen where others rave about RBA's and actually have one on order, can't wait to try it. Thanks to Battiude and his 3 page blog on battery safety, I know why I should wait. Going to try to rebuild PT and Aspire DBC first before venturing to an RBA, and then re-read the blog about battery safety before I do a mech mod, if I even get that far. I guess I'll admit I'm a cloud chaser but only because the eGo didn't do it for me, but after reading the battery blog, not too sure about extreme sub-ohm vaping any more. I just want to find something that I like and works for me. Thanks to this forum, I learned more than I though I needed to know before jumping into the waters! Just wanted to say thanks to all that post and help the community by educating instead of being one-upper's. If it wasn't for you, I might have blown my face off in the next month or two!

I forgot to add that I still need a multi-meter before I actually start rebuilding so I can check the coils to ensure safety. Will be getting that soon.

 

[Ryedan]

I am a newbie and have done my share of reading on the forum, asking questions at local shops and knowing my limits....I think common sense plays a role in this...I too am interested and have bought a kayfun 3.1 today but will only use my provari with it because it will shut down if I go below 1.2ohms from what I'm told.

Do you know why it shuts down?

safety feature...The atomizer/coil can't handle to voltage. But if you could explain more please do....still learning from you veterans!

Yes, it is a safety feature , but not to protect the coil. It shuts down to protect the electronics and the battery from too much current flow. That can be caused from an atty at too low a resistance, or a short (close to zero ohms).

Mechanical mods do not have this or any other protection.

 

[Ahoy]

So, as it's probably said in the posts already. Just because they are Jan joiners doesn't mean they are 'new' persay. However, HOWEVER, I have actually seen quite a few new people (they admitted) to asking about sub ohm. Good god i have been vaping almost 2 years, with over 3 years experience under my belt and i just RECENTLY got into sub ohm and even now I don't vape it that much. It's just kind of a 'oh..so thats sub ohm..hm...neat.' and then I put it down.

To each their own. But I said this before. It's like this. Would you let a 16 year old kid who just got his/her license who has never driven a manual car drive your 5/6 speed lambo gallardo? or your ferrari? or your aston martin? you know..the cars with more power then you know what to do with. Or would you let them drive your rat rod? no? really ? oh but whyyyyyyyyyyy!

MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE!!!! and maybe it's because they don't have enough knowledge of road safety and they might ....crash!!!

 

[buddywally]

Interesting developments. I aborted my foray into mechanicals and sub-ohm vaping when I found a topper\mod combo that gave me reliable, enjoyable results. I don't have a dog in this fight, but I went to the new members forum to see what I could see and almost immediately found a battery question in which the newbie said he wanted to go "......edly low, but safely" when asked how low resistance he was shooting for, because he wanted "stupid, large clouds".

It wasn't hard for me to find many more comments/questions from folks who were obviously not well-versed in the technology or the equipment. Definitely worthy of concern.

 

[StarsAndBars]

safety feature...The atomizer/coil can't handle to voltage. But if you could explain more please do....still learning from you veterans!

It's because the battery can't handle the amperage draw. If you exceed a battery's amp limit it can lead to thermal runaway which is basically when a battery becomes unstable. It can vent chemicals, catch fire, of explode. This is why it is important to know what your battery can handle before building coils.

You mentioned that your device has an over current shut off. That's good to have, but what if it fails?

 

[mR.blinG]

You mentioned that your device has an over current shut off. That's good to have, but what if it fails?

Exactly. It's kind of like thinking it's OK to drive recklessly "because the car has airbags".

 

[Joe Riccardi]

If you want crazy 95 wraps of 28 ga wire around a 3mm device will make a 20 ohm coil which if you hook up to 460v will give you a 10,000+ watt hit wonder what that cloud would look like

 

[rurwin]

Search youtube for "400W Vape". It's so inadvisable that I'm not putting a direct link.

 

[sawlight]

Search youtube for "400W Vape". It's so inadvisable that I'm not putting a direct link.

It's been posted here many times before, he's using onic juice.

 

[sawlight]

Then there's Phil's version.

[MODERATED video removed]

 

[patkin]

Thanks!!! I missed that PB video... laughed all the way through... especially the out takes.

 

[novamatt]

I just thought it might be a good day to bump this thread and provide some info for the newbies. I'm seeing scary things both in the general forum and the new members one.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I just thought it might be a good day to bump this thread and provide some info for the newbies. I'm seeing scary things both in the general forum and the new members one.

Been a while since I've wandered over to the newbies section. Perhaps I should wander over now. I've been spending far too much time (and money) over on the classies...

 

[Susan~S]

I just thought it might be a good day to bump this thread and provide some info for the newbies. I'm seeing scary things both in the general forum and the new members one.

Wish we had a "cut and paste", all in one document, with links that would transfer to make this job much easier. I've got bits & pieces, but each time I copy and paste I have to relink all the links. Very time consuming!

Too many people out there who have not shown any inclination towards learning anything on their own. They ask all the wrong questions, expect everyone else to "spoon feed" them, and appear to only want to "Keep up with the Jones". Very discouraging!

 

[novamatt]

Wish we had a "cut and paste", all in one document, with links that would transfer to make this job much easier. I've got bits & pieces, but each time I copy and paste I have to relink all the links. Very time consuming!

Too many people out there who have not shown any inclination towards learning anything on their own. They ask all the wrong questions, and appear to only want to "Keep up with the Jones". Very discouraging!

Yeah, I've been thinking about writing a comprehensive "So you want to chase clouds and learn to sub-ohm..." post. Funny thing is, I don't even own a mech. That said, I've picked it all up because I want to understand what's going on when I push that button no matter what type of device I'm using, and I'm fully confident that I could buy a mech tomorrow and have the knowledge to do it safely. A lot of these people (especially ones who post after 10PM EST in the newbie forum) already own one and have no idea that they are the only safety feature of their mech mod.

 

[Susan~S]

Yeah, I've been thinking about writing a comprehensive "So you want to chase clouds and learn to sub-ohm..." post. Funny thing is, I don't even own a mech. That said, I've picked it all up because I want to understand what's going on when I push that button no matter what type of device I'm using, and I'm fully confident that I could buy a mech tomorrow and have the knowledge to do it safely. A lot of these people (especially ones who post after 10PM EST in the newbie forum) already own one and have no idea that they are the only safety feature of their mech mod.

I've got an idea. Do you mind if I PM you?

 

[CasketWeaver]

I'm a fairly new sub-ohmer myself. I usually tell folks the following:

"I have accepted the risks associated with sub-ohm vaping - battery failure - personal injury - damage to my equipment - etc. But all at the same time - I sub-ohm for the purpose of flavor and temperature. If you're just going out there to sub-ohm for the clouds, then you need to re-think why you began vaping to begin with."

And it really does come down to 'Why we began vaping to begin with'. We started vaping to get away from BTC and the analogs. Again, as a relatively new vaper myself, I started sub-ohm vaping for what I stated above - for heat and flavor. I could care less about the clouds. Hell, I got a 1.2 Ohm Kayfun atop a Semovar @ 15W throwing better clouds than my dripper at times. I know, it's hard to believe BUT - it still happens. I then proceed to warn those new "sub-ohmer's" of the potential risks and usually suggest smaller coils on a lower AWG wire or even ribbon wire (and for the sake of it) twisted wire. I let people do what people do - and experiment - with the proper precautions (which I've broken quite a few times accidentally). I tell them usually that their safety is in their own hands and by delving into something as sensitive as sub-ohm vaping, anything AND everything can go wrong IF they refuse to check, check, and recheck their intended setup. Do I shun them away? No, as doing so may inevitably drive people to give up on vaping and go back to smoking.

Also note since I began sub-ohming my nic levels have dropped substantially - I'm guessing because the nicotine is delivered more efficiently at higher temps - I don't know. But going from 24mg (2.4%) down to 3mg (.3%) is a massive step in the right direction. I picked up vaping to get off the smokes - and I'm continuing my vaping journey until I have broken the nicotine addiction. I do vape 0mg (0%) juices from time to time - primarily mentholated liquids to break the mucus down in my lungs for easy expulsion - because like many - what goes in must eventually come out. And my lungs are just now starting to expel all that garbage I dumped into them for 12+ years.

 

[Hijack]

I just thought it might be a good day to bump this thread and provide some info for the newbies. I'm seeing scary things both in the general forum and the new members one.

Too many people out there who have not shown any inclination towards learning anything on their own. They ask all the wrong questions, expect everyone else to "spoon feed" them, and appear to only want to "Keep up with the Jones". Very discouraging!

Yeh I agree, ive been vaping 3 months and only on this forum since beginning of the month. I think I have learnt a lot being here, about the loads that get put on batteries when you sub Ohm, and how risky I can be if you don't know what you are doing.
This being said, I am not about to start sub ohming any time soon.
Ive just ordered a KFL and I plan to use 1.5-2.0 ohm coils for a few months at least, whilst I learn more on the do's and don'ts of rebuilding.
Even though ive been learning for under a month, I still read post from people who going to sub Ohm and think to myself. '' If you need to ask that then you shouldn't be doing sub Ohm coils.''

I have sadly witnessed on here a seemingly advanced vaper, suggest to a person wanting to progress from an ego, that they should buy a mech, a rebuildable, have a bit of a practice building coils, then go for a sub Ohm build.
I think my words to him were, '' is It wise to suggest this to a person who is just moving up from a ego, or do you just want to cause them or others injury''. I don't think he replied.
Maybe the people answering these questions on sub Ohm should ask some questions themselves so as to asses the O.P's competence, and if they don't seem competent, then a lesson in safety might be better.

 

[novamatt]

I've got an idea. Do you mind if I PM you?

Don't mind a bit - feel free.

 

[Cearamm]

Im only chiming in because this issue is relevant to my day to day.

In my short 8 months vapin i have become what i consider an advanced vaper. I have literally spent 3-5 hrs per day researching ad studying electronics and ecigs and all that goes into them. Only because my job is such that i am afforded that luxury. So i am pretty well rounded in my knowledge of ecig safety.

Now thru me simply vaping at work, 10 or more folks have switched from smoking. 3 of them have really just jumped into mechs and Rdas as their FIRST devices. I even said hey dont do tht right away. Then i tried to educate them on the incredibly important aspects of subohming.

Guy #1 asked me why cant i use an 18350 on my .3 ohm build. I tried to explain and he wouldnt listen. He went to a "cloud chasing" competition and the winning build was...get this...point ZERO four. Not 0.4......0.04ohms metered. And he was jealous. I vape off his crazy quadmicro nastiness and every time is way to hot to inhale and horrible flavor i cant stand.

So i may sound like a zealot but im actually a subohm vaper. I like to vape between 0.5 and 2 ohms depending on the atomizer and how i feel. Definitely not any lower. I dont see how you could want to go lower but thats me.

The point is....i did the legwork. I read and read and read some more! And i triple check my builds and dont do crazy builds. Safety first, clouds second.

Plus ive gotten over chasing clouds and now the flavor snd sheer enjoyment of vaping is why i do it. Sometimes i get a big cloud but its not my main goal.

//rant over//